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Cool Logic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-14-11 01:18 PM
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41. What your naiveté overlooks is that rich corporations already write the rules from K-Street...
where the rich and the powerful always have a seat at the table. McCain–Feingold, targeted small corporations and individuals who work on Main Street and was an effort to silence their voices.
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  -How much gun control do you want? Abin Sur  Aug-14-11 11:11 AM   #0 
  - Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold vote #1 from beyond the grave. nt  onehandle   Aug-14-11 11:12 AM   #1 
  - Klebold opposed Colorado concealed-carry. Got any ideas why? nt  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:45 PM   #109 
  - y'know  iverglas   Aug-15-11 10:04 PM   #144 
     - But a little cadaver dangling in post #1 is fine?  TheWraith   Aug-18-11 04:18 PM   #161 
  - They'd be satisfied with anything up to #3  DanTex   Aug-15-11 03:12 PM   #118 
  - Please explain how that was done through a "loophole."  SteveM   Aug-16-11 11:19 AM   #152 
     - They had...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Aug-18-11 03:40 PM   #159 
  - Actually, they did just fine with more restrictive laws than we have now.  TheWraith   Aug-18-11 04:15 PM   #160 
  - No restriction on gun ownership, period.  jschurchin   Aug-14-11 11:13 AM   #2 
  - Problem is that it is easy to make rounds at home  Taverner   Aug-14-11 11:14 AM   #5 
  - Yeah, not quite that simple though.  jschurchin   Aug-14-11 11:20 AM   #13 
  - Yes, but then there would be a black-market for bullets  Taverner   Aug-14-11 11:35 AM   #20 
  - How many people, besides hardcore drinkers would go through the trouble...  PavePusher   Aug-14-11 11:44 AM   #22 
  - Self delete. replied to wrong poster. (n/t)  spin   Aug-14-11 12:10 PM   #31 
  - Within view of the press box at Florida Field (U.F. football stadium)..  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:54 PM   #112 
  - I know plenty of hunters and shooters who have reloading equipment ...  spin   Aug-14-11 12:08 PM   #30 
  - Reloading isn't that big a deal.  NewMoonTherian   Aug-14-11 12:59 PM   #35 
  - I read a time travel series  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 08:49 PM   #80 
  - I do.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 09:18 AM   #92 
  - I don't make them, but I purchase from those who do...  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:53 PM   #111 
  - I don't consider myself "hardcore" but for financial reasons  rl6214   Aug-16-11 01:12 AM   #147 
  - you need a lathe to turn your brass too NT  RSillsbee   Aug-14-11 01:22 PM   #42 
  - Like Somalia?  baldguy   Aug-14-11 11:21 AM   #14 
     - ???????????? nt.  jschurchin   Aug-14-11 11:24 AM   #15 
     - The libertarian ideal doesn't work for guns or economics.  baldguy   Aug-14-11 11:27 AM   #17 
        - the average person in Somalia probably does not have any  gejohnston   Aug-14-11 11:46 AM   #25 
     - c'mon, read post 2  iverglas   Aug-14-11 06:47 PM   #56 
        - Read post #5  baldguy   Aug-14-11 07:33 PM   #68 
           - c'mon, we can buy the "bathtub bullets" meme if we like  iverglas   Aug-14-11 07:53 PM   #71 
              - The $100 tax on each bullet line  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 08:13 PM   #74 
                 - Chris Rock  iverglas   Aug-14-11 08:18 PM   #76 
                    - No, Brick. Chris Brick. nt  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:57 PM   #114 
  - #3, but for the entire US  Taverner   Aug-14-11 11:13 AM   #3 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-14-11 11:13 AM   #4 
  - For the record ...  Trajan   Aug-14-11 11:14 AM   #6 
  - sniff  iverglas   Aug-14-11 06:50 PM   #57 
  - "Exploited"? n/t  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 07:08 PM   #61 
  - Been here for 5+ years, and still like it! How 'bout you?  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:59 PM   #115 
  - 7 - Guns in the hands of citizens do far more harm than good  LonePirate   Aug-14-11 11:15 AM   #7 
  - Care to backup your claim?  ManiacJoe   Aug-14-11 01:58 PM   #46 
  - and this claim is based on, what exactly? n/t  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 10:43 AM   #100 
  - Please give us some cites and links. Thanks. nt  SteveM   Aug-15-11 03:00 PM   #116 
  - LonePirate,  Philippine expat   Aug-15-11 10:01 PM   #143 
  - Just enough.  MineralMan   Aug-14-11 11:16 AM   #8 
  - Aw, c'mon  iverglas   Aug-14-11 06:52 PM   #58 
  - I'm too amused by the term "Fudd gun" not to use it. n/t  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 07:01 PM   #59 
     - Field & Stream "awards" the Elmer to someone special every year. nt  SteveM   Aug-15-11 03:09 PM   #117 
  - Hardly an expert on this issue. Just some opinions.  Denninmi   Aug-14-11 11:17 AM   #9 
  - I disagree, but you seem very reasoned and courteous.  NewMoonTherian   Aug-14-11 01:15 PM   #39 
  - As a gun owner (handguns, rifles and shotguns) I'm somewhere around a "7"....  Scuba   Aug-14-11 11:18 AM   #10 
  - How much freedom do you deserve...?  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 11:18 AM   #11 
  - If you define freedom as firearms...  rfranklin   Aug-14-11 11:26 AM   #16 
     - Yes, because some assholes have them...  PavePusher   Aug-14-11 11:45 AM   #23 
     - That is because there are too many people around the world that have no moral values.  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 11:48 AM   #27 
        - Despite your quotations, guns do not guarantee freedom...  rfranklin   Aug-14-11 12:26 PM   #32 
        - Anyone can form a corporation (LLC) in a matter of minutes for +/- $40...  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 12:47 PM   #33 
           - That is just silly...I can form a corporation but can I spend $10 million?  rfranklin   Aug-14-11 12:54 PM   #34 
              - What your naiveté overlooks is that rich corporations already write the rules from K-Street...  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 01:18 PM   #41 
                 - Your belaboring a point that is barely germain...  rfranklin   Aug-14-11 06:03 PM   #51 
        - In 1764 you may have had a point.  DanTex   Aug-14-11 01:12 PM   #38 
        - The point is still valid, as it will always be; for the belief in freedom is a timeless idea.  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 01:50 PM   #45 
        - More platitudes. Keep 'em coming... Freedom! USA!  DanTex   Aug-14-11 02:22 PM   #48 
           - Well, let me state clearly that the US does not have far higher levels of homicide  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 05:30 PM   #49 
           - Wow, more clueless then average! Go on then!  DanTex   Aug-14-11 05:49 PM   #50 
           - "the inability to look at two numbers and see which one is bigger"  Cool Logic   Aug-14-11 06:21 PM   #52 
           - Don't feel bad. You've been ridiculed, but not refuted.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-14-11 06:39 PM   #53 
           - BTW, comparing US vs UK crime rates requires statistics from both the US and UK...  DanTex   Aug-14-11 08:57 PM   #82 
           - This from the source you link to.  Buzz cook   Aug-18-11 01:57 PM   #157 
           - learn something new every day  gejohnston   Aug-14-11 07:13 PM   #64 
           - yeah, Canada, the UK, France ... we're all just whitebread  iverglas   Aug-14-11 07:52 PM   #70 
              - On diversity  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 09:38 AM   #95 
                 - and no disagreement here  iverglas   Aug-15-11 10:46 AM   #101 
                    - Because no matter what other ills a society may have, people have the right to self-defense tools.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 11:39 AM   #102 
                       - "self-defence tools"  iverglas   Aug-15-11 01:55 PM   #107 
                          - No, what I actually mean is: firearms.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 03:55 PM   #126 
                             - do people here ever proofread?  iverglas   Aug-15-11 06:41 PM   #134 
           - He isnt doing that.  beevul   Aug-15-11 03:31 AM   #90 
           - other questions  iverglas   Aug-15-11 10:15 AM   #97 
           - Well, you have at least posed the challenge for yourself:  SteveM   Aug-15-11 03:43 PM   #123 
              - ah, inconvenient truths  iverglas   Aug-15-11 06:45 PM   #135 
        - If you don't like the constitution, change it  tortoise1956   Aug-14-11 08:22 PM   #77 
        - Or, just wait until the number of wingnuts on SCOTUS drops down to 4...  DanTex   Aug-15-11 07:36 AM   #91 
        - You may want to recheck that....  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 03:44 PM   #124 
        - Don't know much about the Supreme Court, now do we?  DanTex   Aug-15-11 04:49 PM   #131 
        - Strawman. No one is "'simply irnoring' the part about the militia..."  SteveM   Aug-15-11 04:03 PM   #127 
           - There's this guy named John Paul Stevens...  DanTex   Aug-15-11 05:21 PM   #132 
              - "2A means no gun control" is not part of my text, is it?...  SteveM   Aug-15-11 06:27 PM   #133 
                 - So we are back to ignoring the militia clause.  DanTex   Aug-16-11 09:16 PM   #155 
        - if you don't understand constitutional law, read up  iverglas   Aug-15-11 10:27 AM   #98 
           - I have studied the constitution,  tortoise1956   Aug-16-11 01:09 AM   #146 
        - That's great if crime is all you are interested in.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 09:26 AM   #93 
        - So we disagree.  DanTex   Aug-15-11 12:59 PM   #105 
        - The thousands of people who are hurt...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 03:41 PM   #122 
           - A bit crass. I'd suggest a little more nuance and a little less bravado.  DanTex   Aug-15-11 04:38 PM   #130 
        - I note that Mussolini and Hitler enacted some tough gun-control laws.  SteveM   Aug-15-11 04:05 PM   #128 
        - I note that you're about as well-informed  iverglas   Aug-15-11 09:57 PM   #142 
           - So easy to throw out some snide comment  akvo   Aug-18-11 06:32 PM   #165 
              - is that a fan club application I see?  iverglas   Aug-19-11 07:01 PM   #167 
        - I agree with you except for this....  akvo   Aug-18-11 06:26 PM   #164 
        - Some problems here...  SteveM   Aug-15-11 03:28 PM   #120 
        - We are actually not a uniquely violent people.  DanTex   Aug-16-11 07:25 AM   #148 
        - The point is still valid...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 03:34 PM   #121 
        - "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" much?  Euromutt   Aug-17-11 08:37 PM   #156 
        - I can see you need some facts to go with that logic  iverglas   Aug-14-11 07:10 PM   #63 
           - And where might this "unrestricted access to firearms by anyone else..." be found?  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-14-11 07:26 PM   #66 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 07:59 PM   #72 
              - oh dear, whose pearls got clutched?  iverglas   Aug-15-11 07:04 PM   #136 
              - If we do it harder, faster, deeper and longer...  PavePusher   Aug-15-11 07:08 PM   #138 
  - How about another option. Go back prior to the 86 ban?  Hoopla Phil   Aug-14-11 11:18 AM   #12 
  - 1, I want to be able to run my background check online and buy my guns through amazon. n/t  Kurska   Aug-14-11 11:28 AM   #18 
  - Sighhh....  -..__...   Aug-14-11 11:28 AM   #19 
  - I'd go for 2.5  MicaelS   Aug-14-11 11:38 AM   #21 
  - Sorry, no fee, thanks.  PavePusher   Aug-14-11 11:47 AM   #26 
  - I am bout where you are...somewhere between 2 & 3  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-14-11 01:16 PM   #40 
  - 1  The Green Manalishi   Aug-14-11 11:46 AM   #24 
  - I would go with  gejohnston   Aug-14-11 11:55 AM   #28 
  - I'd say 3, but a uniform leveling across the states  X_Digger   Aug-14-11 12:00 PM   #29 
  - That's my thought too...and allow for more CCWs  Taverner   Aug-14-11 02:16 PM   #47 
     - While I generally trust our current administration..  X_Digger   Aug-14-11 08:12 PM   #73 
  - Given the choices, I choose #1.  NewMoonTherian   Aug-14-11 01:06 PM   #36 
  - 2.5) Post-1968 (US): NFA of 1934 and GCA of 1968  S_B_Jackson   Aug-14-11 01:09 PM   #37 
  - Guess I'm teh evil  RSillsbee   Aug-14-11 01:30 PM   #43 
  - 1  Upton   Aug-14-11 01:34 PM   #44 
  - Number 5  Starboard Tack   Aug-14-11 06:39 PM   #54 
  - (6)  iverglas   Aug-14-11 06:46 PM   #55 
  - I was trying to keep the number of choices relatively small  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 07:06 PM   #60 
     - can't really say about California  iverglas   Aug-14-11 07:17 PM   #65 
        - Why did you put "collectors" in quotes?  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 07:46 PM   #69 
        - here's one reason why  iverglas   Aug-14-11 08:16 PM   #75 
           - I still don't see why you're using quotes  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 08:37 PM   #78 
              - It's even more interesting than that. From the link given:  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-14-11 09:02 PM   #83 
              - very cute  iverglas   Aug-14-11 09:14 PM   #86 
                 - According to you, "there is no such thing as secure storage"  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-14-11 09:36 PM   #88 
                    - do you have some source  iverglas   Aug-14-11 11:38 PM   #89 
              - there's been much discussion of him here over the years  iverglas   Aug-14-11 09:05 PM   #84 
        - licensing, registration, safes.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 09:42 AM   #96 
           - eh?  iverglas   Aug-15-11 10:41 AM   #99 
              - licensing, registration, safes...  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 11:54 AM   #103 
                 - snork  iverglas   Aug-15-11 02:14 PM   #108 
                    - Exactly right.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-15-11 03:47 PM   #125 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-18-11 03:31 PM   #158 
  - Personally, Iike modern restrictions... minus the 1986 Hughes Amendment.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Aug-14-11 07:09 PM   #62 
  - Need more options.  GreenStormCloud   Aug-14-11 07:26 PM   #67 
  - Option 8: Move to Montana and be free of all silly Federal restrictions.  LAGC   Aug-14-11 08:42 PM   #79 
  - It's on my short list of states to go to if I were to move.  Abin Sur   Aug-14-11 08:51 PM   #81 
     - Same here, for many reasons:  LAGC   Aug-14-11 09:07 PM   #85 
  - 1  ileus   Aug-14-11 09:18 PM   #87 
  - A 3 inch group at 100 yards would satisfy me  Fred Engels   Aug-15-11 09:35 AM   #94 
  - gawd, yes  Tuesday Afternoon   Aug-15-11 11:59 AM   #104 
  - I'd go with...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 01:40 PM   #106 
  - Not to be picky, but it is hard to support some of this...  SteveM   Aug-15-11 02:50 PM   #110 
  - I believe the OP...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-15-11 03:26 PM   #119 
     - Yeah, I see that, but I was thinking historically...  SteveM   Aug-15-11 04:21 PM   #129 
  - Less - lets not complicate things. nt  hack89   Aug-15-11 02:55 PM   #113 
  - maybe we can simplify this  iverglas   Aug-15-11 07:07 PM   #137 
  - Ah, a litmus test for True Democrats!  PavePusher   Aug-15-11 07:50 PM   #139 
     - ah, a misrepresentation!  iverglas   Aug-15-11 09:04 PM   #140 
        - Slip-sliding away....  PavePusher   Aug-16-11 10:17 AM   #149 
        - Sure sounds like a DU litmus test to me too.  akvo   Aug-18-11 05:58 PM   #163 
           - oddly enough, there actually is a DU litmus test  iverglas   Aug-19-11 07:05 PM   #168 
  - Number 1 here  Philippine expat   Aug-15-11 09:48 PM   #141 
  - You may be interested in this  Abin Sur   Aug-16-11 12:02 AM   #145 
     - Someone will be along shortly to declaim how you are contributing...  PavePusher   Aug-16-11 10:19 AM   #150 
     - Yes, it is. Good gun owners embrace mortification of the(ir own) flesh  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-16-11 11:01 AM   #151 
        - I should probably glue thorns to the stocks and hand-grips of all my guns...  PavePusher   Aug-16-11 11:30 AM   #153 
     - Thanks for the info  Philippine expat   Aug-16-11 05:21 PM   #154 
     - Great design...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-18-11 04:21 PM   #162 
  - As several others have said "2.5" for me.  discntnt_irny_srcsm   Aug-19-11 06:58 PM   #166 
 

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