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mikeb302000 Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 12:46 AM
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12-Year-Old Charged - Gun-Owner Dad Gets a Slap on the Wrist
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Albany News 10 reports on the sad story.

First of all, there's something terribly wrong here. I can understand not being angry and vengeful towards the kid, but the gun-owner dad is another story. Allowing kids access to guns should be an extremely serious offense. Men who are responsible for that should pay a heavier price than a slap on the wrist and they certainly should not enjoy the continuation of their gun rights.

Secondly there are the improvements in gun law that the grieving parents would like to see.

The Naumkin's say they'd like to see all gun owners have liability insurance for their firearms, and take a required safety course every three years. They want that course to include family members of a gun owner, as well.

Yuri Naumkin would also want to see signs displayed at homes with guns to increase transparency.

"We're supposed to have a right to know who they are and they have a right to express it freely," said Yuri.

"Transparency" and the "right to know," those are interesting concepts. What do you think? Isn't it reasonable for parents to want to know if there are guns in the homes where their children visit?

Well, as reasonable as that desire might be, I'm afraid it wouldn't be enough. Even if every home with guns were marked, it still depends upon the level of responsibility of the adults who reside there.

I think it always gets back to increased controls on gun owners. Safe storage laws, mental health screening, mandatory training, and severe sanctions for infractions, these and other policies would help.

(cross posted at Mikeb302000)

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  -12-Year-Old Charged - Gun-Owner Dad Gets a Slap on the Wrist mikeb302000  Aug-13-11 12:46 AM   #0 
  - transparency or privacy invasion  gejohnston   Aug-13-11 01:14 AM   #1 
  - Nothing to see here.  Blown330   Aug-13-11 01:15 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-13-11 07:23 AM   #6 
  - This is the new view of rights.  Hangingon   Aug-13-11 09:34 AM   #15 
     - for totally different reasons, you're right  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:55 PM   #35 
        - Wow. I am only interested in our Constitutional rights.  Hangingon   Aug-13-11 08:13 PM   #46 
           - Wow. You are weirdly insular and narrow-minded.  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:26 PM   #51 
              - More hot air.  Hangingon   Aug-14-11 08:26 AM   #61 
  - Sad story. I agree completely about mandatory training, but the "gun here" signs are the stupidist.  Rabblevox   Aug-13-11 01:42 AM   #3 
  - It seems that the dad was charged with misdemeanor child endangerment  petronius   Aug-13-11 01:53 AM   #4 
  - where the gun was located  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:25 PM   #29 
  - If dad were convicted of reckless endangerment  gejohnston   Aug-13-11 01:59 AM   #5 
  - but just leaving a handgun in a bedroom drawer  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:27 PM   #30 
  - What standard would you set for such training?  RSillsbee   Aug-13-11 08:12 AM   #7 
  - Similar to a driver's licence test, with a very basic written and practical...  Rabblevox   Aug-13-11 08:37 AM   #9 
     - so you'd outlaw private sales and reoaders, got it. NT  RSillsbee   Aug-13-11 08:56 AM   #10 
        - The analogy is cars. Private sales are fine, they still got to be documented, and you have to...  Rabblevox   Aug-13-11 09:07 AM   #12 
           - Sorry, I meant to say reloaders,  RSillsbee   Aug-13-11 09:16 AM   #13 
           - The car analogy is not valid.  Hoopla Phil   Aug-13-11 10:04 AM   #16 
              - You also don't need official permission to buy a car.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-13-11 12:47 PM   #21 
              - interesting  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:39 PM   #34 
              - "Your analogy would only work for firearms that are carried in public"  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:36 PM   #33 
  - Do you support mandatory training before you can vote or own property?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 10:38 AM   #19 
  - any kid ever got hold of your vote  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:28 PM   #31 
     - Not germane, but typical obfuscation  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 03:22 PM   #36 
        - yeah  iverglas   Aug-13-11 07:21 PM   #41 
           - I saw that cute bit of sophistry earlier...we have a right to vote during elections...  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 08:09 PM   #45 
              - hahahahahaha  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:45 PM   #52 
              - You're trying to herd Jello. You're gonna need a shower afterwards... n/t  PavePusher   Aug-14-11 11:49 AM   #64 
  - How about mandatory firearms training in schools?  Hangingon   Aug-13-11 10:44 AM   #20 
  - how about you keep your agenda out of other people's kids' classrooms?  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:28 PM   #32 
     - There are people who say the same thing about sex ed in schools.  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 03:25 PM   #37 
     - there are people who say the same thing about religious instruction in schools  iverglas   Aug-13-11 07:23 PM   #42 
        - So no relgigion, guns, or sex education?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 08:04 PM   #44 
           - why can no one stick to the subject?  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:25 PM   #50 
              - I often wonder that about your posts  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 11:10 PM   #56 
                 - Q.E.D.  iverglas   Aug-14-11 02:37 AM   #59 
     - The OP discusses mandatory education.  Hangingon   Aug-13-11 06:22 PM   #39 
        - what are you yammering about?  iverglas   Aug-13-11 07:25 PM   #43 
           - Go stand out in the paddock and yell.  Hangingon   Aug-13-11 08:20 PM   #47 
           - it's a sad day  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:47 PM   #53 
              - Firearms training is most certainly "gun safety".  Hangingon   Aug-14-11 08:28 AM   #62 
                 - "gun safety" is not "firearms training"  iverglas   Aug-14-11 06:34 PM   #65 
                    - Absolutely correct. Even the NRA acknowledges that.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-14-11 07:43 PM   #66 
           - The OP, why are you muddying the waters?  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 08:20 PM   #48 
              - is this duplicity  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:53 PM   #54 
  - actually I agree about the signs  mikeb302000   Aug-14-11 02:31 AM   #57 
  - Dear methheads here be guns...  ileus   Aug-13-11 08:17 AM   #8 
  - "We're supposed to have a right to know who they are..."  PavePusher   Aug-13-11 09:00 AM   #11 
  - I'll put a sign on my house that reads  michreject   Aug-13-11 09:31 AM   #14 
  - More reason to have firearms safety training in schools.  Hoopla Phil   Aug-13-11 10:05 AM   #17 
  - Again you advocate unconsitutuion infringement while flogging your blog  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 10:36 AM   #18 
  - An Orwellian Lovejoy: "Won't somebody *please* think of the children?"  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-13-11 12:54 PM   #22 
  - Signs, huh?  krispos42   Aug-13-11 01:01 PM   #23 
  - Heh  rrneck   Aug-13-11 01:50 PM   #24 
  - hmm  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:21 PM   #28 
  - I certainly don't know.  krispos42   Aug-13-11 07:16 PM   #40 
  - Depends on what kind of piece of shit my neighbor is... n/t  PavePusher   Aug-15-11 09:32 AM   #67 
  - Ahhh...sign wars...  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-13-11 03:36 PM   #38 
  - Signs...  rrneck   Aug-13-11 01:53 PM   #25 
  - pride calls for it, surely  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:06 PM   #26 
  - weirdness  iverglas   Aug-13-11 02:18 PM   #27 
  - If you have kids, lock up your firearms.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-13-11 10:00 PM   #49 
  - but if you don't  iverglas   Aug-13-11 10:58 PM   #55 
     - That is correct.  Atypical Liberal   Aug-14-11 10:19 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-11 02:33 AM   #58 
     - rules violation +3  iverglas   Aug-14-11 02:39 AM   #60 

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