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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. If a cop recognized someone he knew was a felon, he could do a Terry stop and arrest as a..
'felon in possession'.

Otherwise, he'd have to have reasonable suspicion that a crime was about to, or had been committed. Absent articulable RS, he can watch them, but that's it.

Just like cops can't pull over motorists just to check if their license is suspended.
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  -A relative of mine says he saw members of the Iron Horsemen M/C gang openly carrying at a restaurant jpak  Aug-07-11 06:51 PM   #0 
  - If they are felons and known  GKirk   Aug-07-11 06:53 PM   #1 
  - howzat?  iverglas   Aug-07-11 07:06 PM   #5 
  - Again, you seem to be making up laws for your own amusement.  TheWraith   Aug-07-11 07:11 PM   #6 
  - gang markings and a weapon?  iverglas   Aug-07-11 07:22 PM   #8 
     - Okay, I'll explain it for you simply.  TheWraith   Aug-07-11 07:35 PM   #11 
     - I disagree with your last sentence..  X_Digger   Aug-07-11 07:52 PM   #13 
     - No, but being a felon with a firearm is illegal.  TheWraith   Aug-07-11 07:56 PM   #14 
        - dog all bleeding mighty  iverglas   Aug-07-11 08:04 PM   #17 
        - "dog all bleeding mighty"  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:32 PM   #109 
        - The police officer doesn't have to KNOW that a crime is being committed in order to make inquiries.  TheWraith   Aug-08-11 07:39 PM   #126 
           - how about you stop pretending that your stupid statements are "my" "logic"?  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:06 AM   #142 
        - Being a felon != being a member in a gang.  X_Digger   Aug-07-11 08:10 PM   #18 
     - you can seriously doubt anything you like  iverglas   Aug-07-11 08:02 PM   #16 
     - What the police certainly can do is to take a couple of minutes and run the plates of  S_B_Jackson   Aug-07-11 10:39 PM   #39 
        - gee, what if they walked in?  iverglas   Aug-08-11 11:31 AM   #60 
           - Gee, what if they did?  S_B_Jackson   Aug-08-11 03:50 PM   #102 
              - clearly, you decided to pretend I said something I didn't  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:10 AM   #143 
                 - yeah right....those Bikers walked.  S_B_Jackson   Aug-09-11 03:18 PM   #165 
  - Um..  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:33 AM   #41 
  - eh?  iverglas   Aug-08-11 11:32 AM   #61 
     - Might be a regional thing.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:10 PM   #69 
  - "felons and known to the police"  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 08:02 AM   #52 
  - Fuck you.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:11 PM   #70 
     - Except for lemon. Gah. n/t  X_Digger   Aug-08-11 12:19 PM   #74 
     - What's up with that.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:27 PM   #75 
     - Well played...  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 12:48 PM   #77 
     - Green Jello is Naaaasssss- TEE NT  RSillsbee   Aug-08-11 04:14 PM   #103 
  - Not sure what was confusing about my comment....  GKirk   Aug-08-11 01:29 PM   #78 
  - That might not be so easy...  TreasonousBastard   Aug-07-11 07:30 PM   #10 
     - heh, I read that too  iverglas   Aug-07-11 08:12 PM   #19 
  - Intimidation is the whole point of open carry.  baldguy   Aug-07-11 06:54 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-07-11 06:57 PM   #3 
  - gong on you....the point of OC is SD same as CC. A gun in plain view isn't intimidating...  ileus   Aug-07-11 08:38 PM   #25 
  - Really? Is that the best you can do?  tortoise1956   Aug-07-11 09:13 PM   #30 
  - That's odd, one of your allies claims that OC is honest, and CC is 'deceptive'.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-08-11 01:46 AM   #47 
  - Glad you pointed that out  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:36 PM   #111 
  - Try this the next time you encounter an open-carry person:  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:08 PM   #91 
  - You need to be prepared to talk about bores and stuff.  Hoyt   Aug-09-11 05:58 AM   #140 
  - WRONG  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:35 PM   #110 
  - streets  wingzeroday   Aug-07-11 06:59 PM   #4 
  - ...  X_Digger   Aug-07-11 07:15 PM   #7 
  - so let's take it as one of those hypotheticals  iverglas   Aug-07-11 07:23 PM   #9 
     - If a cop recognized someone he knew was a felon, he could do a Terry stop and arrest as a..  X_Digger   Aug-07-11 07:38 PM   #12 
        - yeah, I already said that  iverglas   Aug-07-11 07:57 PM   #15 
           - Beyond observation? No..  X_Digger   Aug-07-11 08:32 PM   #23 
           - Rep  Oneka   Aug-08-11 07:48 AM   #49 
  - Was he a felon? is OC legal? OC intimidates who?  ileus   Aug-07-11 08:26 PM   #20 
  - It was a large group of them - all carrying, all in colors - in a "Family Restaurant"  jpak   Aug-07-11 08:29 PM   #21 
  - so were they shooting up the place like in those old westerns?  ileus   Aug-07-11 08:31 PM   #22 
  - If want to hang with these assholes with your family - you have my blessing  jpak   Aug-07-11 08:37 PM   #24 
     - why must you call them names...did they brake any law? can't you let them eat in peace?  ileus   Aug-07-11 08:39 PM   #26 
        - They are sociopaths and they suck  jpak   Aug-07-11 08:50 PM   #27 
           - They didn't shoot up the place...everything was peaceful.  ileus   Aug-07-11 09:02 PM   #29 
           - No it wasn't - people left and the staff was concerned for their safety  jpak   Aug-07-11 09:22 PM   #33 
              - who is us?  ileus   Aug-07-11 09:38 PM   #34 
              - Sucks for you...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 09:36 AM   #54 
              - Too many episodes of SOA  ileus   Aug-08-11 12:07 PM   #65 
              - actually, it sucks for business owners  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:14 AM   #144 
                 - Shall we apply such guilt by association...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:23 AM   #149 
                    - if they walk around displaying firearms?  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:34 AM   #153 
                       - No it isnt beyond belief  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:38 AM   #154 
              - Why are you living in fear?  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 11:26 AM   #57 
                 - My relative is a sane young man who knows danger when he sees it  jpak   Aug-08-11 12:12 PM   #72 
                    - You can tell their criminal history and day-to-day conduct...  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 12:44 PM   #76 
                    - That group does have a criminal history - sorry to disappoint  jpak   Aug-08-11 01:43 PM   #81 
                       - Members of the group may...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 01:47 PM   #83 
                       - yeah, some people join criminal biker gangs  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:15 AM   #145 
                          - And I'm sure you know just SOOOO much about...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:24 AM   #150 
                             - Actually, I do  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:46 AM   #157 
                                - ROFL!  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:52 AM   #159 
                                   - forgive me  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:57 AM   #162 
                                      - Never said they dont exist.  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:58 AM   #163 
                                      - I'm sure your anecdotes are amusing to your friends  iverglas   Aug-09-11 12:15 PM   #164 
                       - Hmm. Auto-induced "stereotyping." Save you the trouble? nt  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:11 PM   #92 
                    - Do you stereotype all muslim looking youmg men when you  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:40 PM   #114 
                    - are you the one suggesting that "muslim looking"  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:17 AM   #146 
                       - Making things up again, as usual  rl6214   Aug-09-11 08:39 PM   #167 
                    - Yeah, it couldn't possibly be for...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 05:09 PM   #118 
                    - Only if you are from an enemy gang  gejohnston   Aug-09-11 12:47 AM   #136 
                       - do you peopleknow ANYTHING about criminal biker gangs??  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:27 AM   #151 
                          - I know a lot more than you do...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:39 AM   #155 
                          - yes, I'm sure you have good friends in the Hells Angels  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:47 AM   #158 
                             - I wouldnt call them "good friends"  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-09-11 11:52 AM   #161 
                          - Wait, don't tell us  rl6214   Aug-09-11 08:44 PM   #168 
           - judgmental much?  Tuesday Afternoon   Aug-07-11 09:18 PM   #31 
  - our world?  gejohnston   Aug-07-11 09:21 PM   #32 
  - Yup - Open Carry Mad Max World  jpak   Aug-07-11 09:55 PM   #35 
     - "Mad Max World." Where did you see such?  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:12 PM   #93 
  - You're right, this is why I conceal carry in your family restaraunt.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:36 AM   #43 
  - That does not pass the smell test  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 01:37 AM   #46 
  - And this is a problem why?  S_B_Jackson   Aug-08-11 10:58 AM   #56 
  - Yes, OC is legal in the state of Maine. (n/t)  S_B_Jackson   Aug-07-11 10:41 PM   #40 
  - bfd  Tuesday Afternoon   Aug-07-11 08:52 PM   #28 
  - I bet our cowboys here eating there would have hands near their waist, and some also near ankles or  Hoyt   Aug-07-11 10:13 PM   #36 
  - We're talking about bikers not indians...  ileus   Aug-07-11 10:19 PM   #37 
  - naaaaaaa  gejohnston   Aug-07-11 10:20 PM   #38 
  - Your imagination is entertaining.  AtheistCrusader   Aug-08-11 12:35 AM   #42 
  - I doubt this even happened  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 01:35 AM   #45 
  - Ah, to hear you guys -- there's a mugger behind every tree and a gang waiting to invade your home.  Hoyt   Aug-08-11 07:54 AM   #50 
     - and a gang invading every Ryans evidently.  ileus   Aug-08-11 12:08 PM   #66 
     - Ah, to hear you  rrneck   Aug-08-11 12:11 PM   #71 
     - Uh, I think you miss-posted. Should be for OP. nt  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:13 PM   #94 
     - Not from me. In my part of SoCal there are threats in the trees  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 04:36 PM   #112 
        - If in middle of nowhere, carry away. Just don't be too quick to shoot a cougar because you can.  Hoyt   Aug-08-11 06:33 PM   #120 
           - Rattlesnakes  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 09:45 PM   #132 
  - But none of them would pee their pants and run  RSillsbee   Aug-08-11 04:19 PM   #105 
  - Another gunner who can't walk out of his house without a gun or two posting about others' "fear."  Hoyt   Aug-09-11 05:53 AM   #138 
  - I have no obligation to accomodate another person's irrational fears  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-09-11 07:58 AM   #141 
     - how clever of you to say  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:20 AM   #148 
        - Fail  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-09-11 08:01 PM   #166 
  - and has to toss the obligatory "little girl"  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:19 AM   #147 
  - I'd take that bet  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:49 PM   #116 
  - Put your guns up, and figure out the logistics or recreating the scene.  Hoyt   Aug-09-11 05:55 AM   #139 
  - Speaking of cowboys, where is the picture you promised? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-08-11 07:39 PM   #124 
  - I seriously doubt this actually occured  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 01:34 AM   #44 
  - Someone's been watching old episodes of SOA? LOL  ileus   Aug-08-11 05:59 AM   #48 
  - They were wearing colors - with their club name on them.  jpak   Aug-08-11 07:56 AM   #51 
  - Are you sure that your relative could tell the  S_B_Jackson   Aug-08-11 10:49 AM   #55 
  - Yes he can - and the more jerks that open carry, the more pressure there will be for repeal  jpak   Aug-08-11 12:01 PM   #63 
     - Uh - yeah...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 01:37 PM   #80 
     - Reason for the Open Carry push? Continued silly gun-control efforts.  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:15 PM   #95 
  - Maybe they got a group discount on the GLOCK's? n/t  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 11:28 AM   #58 
  - the LEO discount...  ileus   Aug-08-11 12:09 PM   #67 
  - So they were all carrying the same type gun ?  RSillsbee   Aug-08-11 04:22 PM   #106 
  - So many "colors" look very similar...could just as likely have been the Blue Knights  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-08-11 04:38 PM   #113 
     - That reminds me  gejohnston   Aug-09-11 12:41 AM   #135 
  - Well then, we know that 6pak has been raising a stink here for a long time. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-08-11 07:41 PM   #127 
  - I saw M/C gang with toys strapped to their bikes for Toys for Tots.  drpepper67   Aug-08-11 09:10 AM   #53 
  - Were they the Hell's Angels, Outlaws, Iron Horsemen? Nope  jpak   Aug-08-11 12:00 PM   #62 
     - Could have been...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 12:02 PM   #64 
     - BOTW?  ileus   Aug-08-11 12:09 PM   #68 
     - HUH? n/t  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 01:33 PM   #79 
     - How would you know what I saw?  drpepper67   Aug-08-11 07:09 PM   #121 
     - Here's something you need to learn how to do: "cite". Examples:  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 11:53 PM   #133 
     - actually, Hells Angels do do this  iverglas   Aug-09-11 11:33 AM   #152 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-09-11 11:46 AM   #156 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Aug-09-11 11:52 AM   #160 
  - Where is the ...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 11:31 AM   #59 
  - May have been some "fragrant intimidation;" otherwise, not much here. n t  SteveM   Aug-08-11 03:16 PM   #97 
  - When I google  rrneck   Aug-08-11 12:18 PM   #73 
  - The google is not yer friend  jpak   Aug-08-11 01:46 PM   #82 
     - It appears to be  rrneck   Aug-08-11 01:53 PM   #84 
     - Do you have actual proof...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 01:55 PM   #85 
        - No, my relative is pathological liar and tells stories all the time  jpak   Aug-08-11 02:40 PM   #86 
           - Well that would make sense...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 02:42 PM   #87 
           - If this is your vision of Amerika then Somalia is in great shape  jpak   Aug-08-11 02:48 PM   #88 
              - It really bothers you...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 02:51 PM   #89 
                 - Yes, it does - it is not the America I grew up in  jpak   Aug-08-11 03:15 PM   #96 
                    - OC has been around for as long as I can remember.  ileus   Aug-08-11 03:17 PM   #98 
                    - Not in the civilized parts of the US  jpak   Aug-08-11 03:24 PM   #99 
                       - All of America is civilized...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 03:29 PM   #100 
                       - Where I come from, "open carry" meant "opening day" not a meal at a family restaurant  jpak   Aug-08-11 04:18 PM   #104 
                       - Where would that be?  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 04:47 PM   #115 
                       - where were you?  gejohnston   Aug-08-11 07:36 PM   #123 
                       - Maine is not civilized?  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:52 PM   #117 
                       - I don't know  gejohnston   Aug-08-11 07:39 PM   #125 
                       - Virginia isn't civilized?  ileus   Aug-08-11 08:37 PM   #128 
                       - Ohio isn't civilized?  ileus   Aug-08-11 09:22 PM   #131 
                       - Au contraire, mon ami...  PavePusher   Aug-08-11 11:57 PM   #134 
                    - Most Americans...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 03:30 PM   #101 
           - I would not say that. But I can't help but wonder if  gejohnston   Aug-09-11 12:54 AM   #137 
  - As they say in court.  Remmah2   Aug-08-11 02:52 PM   #90 
  - You sure it wasn't  Glassunion   Aug-08-11 04:22 PM   #107 
  - Heck, for all we know...  We_Have_A_Problem   Aug-08-11 05:12 PM   #119 
  - My brothers, wifes third cousin on her mothers isde has a fieind  rl6214   Aug-08-11 04:24 PM   #108 
  - This relative  Katya Mullethov   Aug-08-11 07:25 PM   #122 
  - From Moscow Idaho? nt  rrneck   Aug-08-11 09:19 PM   #130 
  - Iron horsemen a 1%er group?  YllwFvr   Aug-08-11 09:09 PM   #129 
 

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