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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. Why must you always conflate OC w/ exhibitionism?
When I OC people almost never notice it. I have heard the same thing from other OCers as well
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  -"Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People" alltherage  Jul-30-11 07:11 PM   #0 
  - This should be good.  TheCowsCameHome   Jul-30-11 07:15 PM   #1 
  - Well, I'll try  Euromutt   Jul-30-11 07:16 PM   #2 
  - People have been killed by guns discharged by...  Tikki   Jul-30-11 07:21 PM   #3 
  - couple hundred a year  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 07:45 PM   #9 
  - What else does it apply to that is designed to kill people  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 02:19 PM   #41 
     - And why should that matter?  X_Digger   Jul-31-11 07:20 PM   #46 
        - Why should what matter? Are you following the thread or just sniping?  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 09:04 PM   #51 
           - the 'but gunz is fer killin' schtick.  X_Digger   Jul-31-11 11:36 PM   #62 
              - Read my posts. You'll figure it out. I can't keep repeating stuff just for you  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 01:53 AM   #63 
                 - No, you keep tap dancing around it.  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 08:12 AM   #67 
                    - Guns are not bad in and of themselves  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 11:28 AM   #70 
                       - That's closer to spitting it out..  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 11:55 AM   #73 
                       - sorry; "most"?  iverglas   Aug-01-11 01:55 PM   #90 
                       - "most" should have been "some" -  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 07:54 PM   #114 
                          - "I do advocate firearm control, but not by banning all guns."  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:36 AM   #123 
                             - OK I got it. But stating my position is not to be a strawman but to counter the accusations  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 01:09 PM   #132 
                                - but you may enjoy these ;)  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:46 PM   #144 
                       - I agree, sort of  TPaine7   Aug-01-11 02:57 PM   #98 
                          - "I really don't get the dishonesty charge"  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 08:01 PM   #115 
                             - Do you actually believe that criminals aren't surprised--ever?!  TPaine7   Aug-01-11 09:25 PM   #118 
                                - I don't think your average criminal would think he was the only guy in the world with a gun  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 02:31 AM   #121 
                                   - it's amazing, isn't it?  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:42 AM   #124 
                                   - not necessarily  gejohnston   Aug-02-11 01:00 PM   #131 
                                   - I had no idea you were abducted . Jeez  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 01:21 PM   #133 
                                      - I've actually done some amazingly stupid things down there  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:25 PM   #142 
                                   - And I'm sure you have scads of examples of this sort of thing happening, right?  Euromutt   Aug-03-11 05:37 AM   #151 
  - That makes no meaningful difference - regardless of intent, it's the person  petronius   Jul-30-11 08:07 PM   #14 
  - Who's talking about responsibility? Nice try at deflecting  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 02:28 PM   #42 
  - Same difference  Euromutt   Jul-31-11 01:08 AM   #30 
  - While this happens, such incidents are declining...  SteveM   Jul-31-11 12:28 PM   #35 
     - Let's ban electricity and swimming pools  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 02:32 PM   #43 
        - Is zero your standard for accidental deaths for children?  hack89   Jul-31-11 07:57 PM   #48 
        - You bet. All including guns. Ask anyone who's lost one.  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 09:06 PM   #52 
           - So how do you get it to zero? A magic wand?  hack89   Jul-31-11 09:26 PM   #54 
              - Zero is an ideal.  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 09:40 PM   #57 
                 - We are talking about the restrictions you place on me  hack89   Jul-31-11 10:12 PM   #59 
                    - I was suggesting self imposition, not me imposing anything on you  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 11:16 PM   #61 
        - None, same as with electricity and pools...  SteveM   Aug-01-11 12:33 PM   #76 
  - Or  azureblue   Jul-30-11 08:02 PM   #13 
  - No matter how you approach it, you end up at the same conclusion  Euromutt   Jul-31-11 12:20 AM   #27 
  - all of which goes to show that there is no point to it!  iverglas   Jul-30-11 08:08 PM   #15 
  - you sure?  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 09:32 PM   #19 
     - what?  iverglas   Jul-31-11 12:02 AM   #24 
        - my bad I was distracted  gejohnston   Jul-31-11 01:33 AM   #32 
  - "it has no agency of its own"  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 02:16 PM   #40 
     - Because there are valid reasons to shot someone  hack89   Jul-31-11 08:02 PM   #49 
     - We can come up with valid reasons for anything if we try hard enough  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 09:02 PM   #50 
        - If it causes no harm them of course people can carry them around in public  hack89   Jul-31-11 09:22 PM   #53 
        - What restrictions are you referring to?  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 09:34 PM   #56 
           - Too bad your feelings are not sufficient grounds to restrict others civil rights  hack89   Jul-31-11 10:09 PM   #58 
              - I was expressing my thoughts. Not feelings.  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 11:08 PM   #60 
        - Sounds good.  LAGC   Aug-01-11 09:32 PM   #119 
           - I am not in favor of any carry  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 12:36 PM   #128 
              - Why must you always conflate OC w/ exhibitionism?  RSillsbee   Aug-02-11 12:46 PM   #129 
                 - I call it as I see it.  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 01:28 PM   #134 
                    - So you know what's in my mind now? NT  RSillsbee   Aug-02-11 01:38 PM   #135 
                       - I thought you were the mind reader  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 01:43 PM   #137 
     - That contrived semantical red herring again  Euromutt   Aug-01-11 04:36 AM   #65 
  - Or "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"  Terry in Austin   Jul-30-11 07:22 PM   #4 
  - Ever been to the UK? How about these places  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 07:44 PM   #8 
  - Countries with the lowest intenial  safeinOhio   Jul-30-11 07:51 PM   #11 
  - do you think you can just keep doing this?  iverglas   Jul-30-11 08:11 PM   #17 
     - If you can show causation  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 09:36 PM   #20 
        - what are you talking about?  iverglas   Jul-31-11 12:32 AM   #28 
           - I did say cause  gejohnston   Jul-31-11 01:18 AM   #31 
              - any other theories for the drop in spousal homicides of women  iverglas   Jul-31-11 03:20 AM   #33 
                 - I am sure there are a number of reasons  gejohnston   Jul-31-11 01:33 PM   #39 
                    - governance is not about bargaining  iverglas   Aug-01-11 11:06 AM   #69 
                       - Democracy is about deals  gejohnston   Aug-01-11 02:52 PM   #97 
                          - no, it is not  iverglas   Aug-01-11 03:41 PM   #105 
                             - who said anything about bargaining away rights?  gejohnston   Aug-01-11 04:47 PM   #110 
                             - whoa  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:53 AM   #125 
                             - a better quote  gejohnston   Aug-01-11 07:16 PM   #111 
                                - and you think that George Bush  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:55 AM   #126 
                                   - Actually  gejohnston   Aug-02-11 01:42 PM   #136 
                                      - ha... rper  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:39 PM   #143 
  - That tire store was on N. Lamar near the RR tracks.  SteveM   Jul-31-11 12:32 PM   #36 
  - very simple and not nonsensical  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 07:24 PM   #5 
  - because your response is a non sequitor  azureblue   Jul-30-11 07:46 PM   #10 
  - Not different in any relevant sense - in both cases the gun did nothing  petronius   Jul-30-11 08:02 PM   #12 
     - WHO EVER SAID A GUN DID ANYTHING?  iverglas   Jul-31-11 12:33 AM   #29 
        - I would guess it is all in the phrasing...  Glassunion   Aug-01-11 02:59 PM   #99 
           - or perhaps  iverglas   Aug-01-11 03:45 PM   #106 
              - Not to mention the disingenuous "uses" of the phrases.  Glassunion   Aug-01-11 04:01 PM   #108 
  - let's get real  iverglas   Jul-30-11 08:13 PM   #18 
     - That is a good and complex question.  gejohnston   Jul-30-11 10:03 PM   #21 
     - you'll start there ...  iverglas   Jul-31-11 12:12 AM   #26 
        - you missed the point  gejohnston   Jul-31-11 06:39 PM   #45 
           - you missed one too  iverglas   Aug-01-11 11:44 AM   #71 
              - OK  gejohnston   Aug-01-11 02:01 PM   #92 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-30-11 10:19 PM   #22 
  - to many guns, are just like the ring in the LOTR movies...metal controls man.  ileus   Jul-30-11 07:25 PM   #6 
  - well, if you want to get technical about it  azureblue   Jul-30-11 07:31 PM   #7 
  - actually, propellant kills people.  provis99   Jul-30-11 08:10 PM   #16 
  - No; it's the combination of firearm, propellant and projectile  Euromutt   Jul-31-11 12:11 AM   #25 
  - Wait.... wait... It's the primer that kills them. Yeah, that's it. right.  SteveM   Jul-31-11 12:42 PM   #38 
  - if you want to get technical about it  RSillsbee   Jul-30-11 10:20 PM   #23 
  - The guns in my safe or inanimate. They are inanimate when outside...  SteveM   Jul-31-11 12:18 PM   #34 
  - Well said.  ileus   Jul-31-11 09:27 PM   #55 
  - Object prohibitionism, the scourge of social policy...  SteveM   Aug-01-11 12:41 PM   #77 
     - ah, addiction to guns; isn't it sad?  iverglas   Aug-01-11 01:02 PM   #79 
        - You brought up "addiction." Please define, esp. as it relates to guns.  SteveM   Aug-01-11 01:24 PM   #81 
           - you brought up alcohol, drugs and tobacco  iverglas   Aug-01-11 01:28 PM   #83 
              - Objects of prohibition, clearly...  SteveM   Aug-01-11 01:33 PM   #85 
                 - And I already dealt with that  iverglas   Aug-01-11 02:00 PM   #91 
                    - Yet, you made comments about gun "addiction."  SteveM   Aug-01-11 02:18 PM   #93 
                       - I very plainly said there is No Such Thing as "gun addiction"  iverglas   Aug-01-11 03:12 PM   #103 
  - and your evidence is?  iverglas   Aug-01-11 12:44 PM   #78 
  - My guns were around 4 kids yesterday without harming any of them...  ileus   Aug-01-11 02:36 PM   #95 
  - Hard Fact, Guns Do Not Kill People  DWC   Jul-31-11 12:35 PM   #37 
  - Don't blame the gun, blame the person.  Ready4Change   Jul-31-11 04:30 PM   #44 
  - what punishments are proposed for guns who kill people?  iverglas   Aug-01-11 01:07 PM   #80 
     - You may have misunderstood my response.  Ready4Change   Aug-01-11 03:06 PM   #101 
        - looked pretty darned simple to me  iverglas   Aug-01-11 03:52 PM   #107 
           - Ok.  Ready4Change   Aug-01-11 09:18 PM   #117 
              - yes indeed  iverglas   Aug-02-11 07:56 AM   #127 
  - Bombs don't kill people either.  Starboard Tack   Jul-31-11 07:30 PM   #47 
  - Not by themselves, no  Euromutt   Aug-01-11 06:06 AM   #66 
     - The point is that bombs and guns are not defensive but offensive weapons  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 11:00 AM   #68 
        - That's an *ahem* interesting definition.  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 11:45 AM   #72 
        - I don't dictate morality. That's an individual choice  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 12:14 PM   #74 
           - Still chewing..  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 12:22 PM   #75 
           - Having gone through those experiences I might well have decided to carry also  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 01:30 PM   #84 
              - Then how do you reconcile..  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 01:40 PM   #86 
                 - The concealed part.  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 01:42 PM   #88 
                    - That's neither here nor there.  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 01:46 PM   #89 
                    - Maybe you should sew a patch with the sillouette of a gun to your clothing to make them feel better.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-01-11 02:24 PM   #94 
                    - Oh of course.. we're back to the Bork 'moral harm' discussion. n/t  X_Digger   Aug-01-11 03:09 PM   #102 
                    - Then I disagree with you for reasons stated  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 02:42 PM   #96 
                    - Do you realize  rrneck   Aug-02-11 12:47 PM   #130 
                       - What feelings? What do you know about my feelings?  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 04:00 PM   #138 
                          - Sooooo,  rrneck   Aug-02-11 04:54 PM   #139 
                             - Hiding a gun on one's person is inherently dishonest. Dishonesty by omission.  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 07:02 PM   #140 
                                - Why do you think  rrneck   Aug-02-11 07:15 PM   #141 
                                   - They don't and I don't think they have any obligation unless they enter my home.  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 08:49 PM   #145 
                                      - If there is no obligation to provide information  rrneck   Aug-02-11 09:29 PM   #146 
                                         - If I saw someone in a restaurant with an OC firearm  Starboard Tack   Aug-02-11 11:45 PM   #149 
                                            - So what's the problem?  rrneck   Aug-03-11 09:53 AM   #153 
                                               - There are lots of things that are bad for society  Starboard Tack   Aug-03-11 01:52 PM   #154 
                                               - You have said  rrneck   Aug-03-11 04:31 PM   #157 
                                               - The law needs to be changed so as not to support deceptive behavior.  Starboard Tack   Aug-03-11 04:46 PM   #158 
                                               - Why would anyone want to decieve you? nt  rrneck   Aug-03-11 06:28 PM   #160 
           - If I may interject...  DWC   Aug-01-11 01:26 PM   #82 
              - You defended your home, which I support without reservation  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 01:40 PM   #87 
                 - Please consider  DWC   Aug-01-11 03:04 PM   #100 
                 - OK I understand that shit happens  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 04:28 PM   #109 
                 - What about all those illegal guns being concealed?  hack89   Aug-01-11 03:12 PM   #104 
                 - I would hope that none of us is surrounded by concealed weapons  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 07:24 PM   #112 
                    - Since gun violence has steadily decreased  hack89   Aug-01-11 07:46 PM   #113 
                       - What fears would those be?  Starboard Tack   Aug-01-11 08:09 PM   #116 
                          - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-11 10:15 PM   #120 
                 - Do you support the publishing of the names of permit holders? How about their addresses?  oneshooter   Aug-02-11 09:30 PM   #147 
                    - I think if you are carrying concealed you should wear something to alert people of that fact.  Starboard Tack   Aug-03-11 01:11 AM   #150 
                       - I do  DWC   Aug-03-11 06:34 AM   #152 
                       - You could be describing me, my friend.  Starboard Tack   Aug-03-11 02:01 PM   #155 
                          - I know a lot of grumpy-old-men-with-guns (GOMWG)  DWC   Aug-03-11 04:00 PM   #156 
                             - LOL live long and enjoy. It only gets better  Starboard Tack   Aug-03-11 04:50 PM   #159 
                       - Somewhat like the Germans had their own people wear?  oneshooter   Aug-03-11 06:41 PM   #161 
                       - You really show your true colors don't you?  Starboard Tack   Aug-04-11 12:40 PM   #163 
                          - It was your idea.  oneshooter   Aug-04-11 08:42 PM   #165 
                          - Hey, thanks for posting it again. Pretty good, huh?  Starboard Tack   Aug-04-11 09:04 PM   #167 
                             - You can not claim the idea as your own. Adolf did it first. n/t  oneshooter   Aug-04-11 09:14 PM   #168 
                          - Which color?  gejohnston   Aug-04-11 09:04 PM   #166 
                             - If you were following this silliness you would have noticed that our friend ONESHOOTER  Starboard Tack   Aug-05-11 12:01 PM   #169 
                       - A non answer. Kinda impolite to ignore a question directed to you.  oneshooter   Aug-03-11 06:48 PM   #162 
                          - Yes is my obvious answer. Of course.  Starboard Tack   Aug-04-11 12:46 PM   #164 
        - Sorry, your defining them as such does not make them so  Euromutt   Aug-02-11 05:05 AM   #122 
  - It's a mystery, shrouded in an enigma,  slackmaster   Aug-01-11 03:55 AM   #64 
     - With bacon and salsa? n/t  oneshooter   Aug-02-11 09:34 PM   #148 
 

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