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Tue Aug-02-11 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #128 |
| 129. Why must you always conflate OC w/ exhibitionism? |
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When I OC people almost never notice it. I have heard the same thing from other OCers as well
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| -"Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People" |
alltherage |
Jul-30-11 07:11 PM |
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This should be good. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jul-30-11 07:15 PM |
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Well, I'll try |
Euromutt |
Jul-30-11 07:16 PM |
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People have been killed by guns discharged by... |
Tikki |
Jul-30-11 07:21 PM |
#3 |
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couple hundred a year |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 07:45 PM |
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What else does it apply to that is designed to kill people |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 02:19 PM |
#41 |
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And why should that matter? |
X_Digger |
Jul-31-11 07:20 PM |
#46 |
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Why should what matter? Are you following the thread or just sniping? |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 09:04 PM |
#51 |
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the 'but gunz is fer killin' schtick. |
X_Digger |
Jul-31-11 11:36 PM |
#62 |
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Read my posts. You'll figure it out. I can't keep repeating stuff just for you |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 01:53 AM |
#63 |
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No, you keep tap dancing around it. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 08:12 AM |
#67 |
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Guns are not bad in and of themselves |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 11:28 AM |
#70 |
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That's closer to spitting it out.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 11:55 AM |
#73 |
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sorry; "most"? |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 01:55 PM |
#90 |
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"most" should have been "some" - |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 07:54 PM |
#114 |
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"I do advocate firearm control, but not by banning all guns." |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:36 AM |
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OK I got it. But stating my position is not to be a strawman but to counter the accusations |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 01:09 PM |
#132 |
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but you may enjoy these ;) |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:46 PM |
#144 |
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I agree, sort of |
TPaine7 |
Aug-01-11 02:57 PM |
#98 |
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"I really don't get the dishonesty charge" |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 08:01 PM |
#115 |
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Do you actually believe that criminals aren't surprised--ever?! |
TPaine7 |
Aug-01-11 09:25 PM |
#118 |
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I don't think your average criminal would think he was the only guy in the world with a gun |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 02:31 AM |
#121 |
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it's amazing, isn't it? |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:42 AM |
#124 |
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not necessarily |
gejohnston |
Aug-02-11 01:00 PM |
#131 |
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I had no idea you were abducted . Jeez |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 01:21 PM |
#133 |
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I've actually done some amazingly stupid things down there |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:25 PM |
#142 |
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And I'm sure you have scads of examples of this sort of thing happening, right? |
Euromutt |
Aug-03-11 05:37 AM |
#151 |
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That makes no meaningful difference - regardless of intent, it's the person |
petronius |
Jul-30-11 08:07 PM |
#14 |
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Who's talking about responsibility? Nice try at deflecting |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 02:28 PM |
#42 |
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Same difference |
Euromutt |
Jul-31-11 01:08 AM |
#30 |
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While this happens, such incidents are declining... |
SteveM |
Jul-31-11 12:28 PM |
#35 |
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Let's ban electricity and swimming pools |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 02:32 PM |
#43 |
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Is zero your standard for accidental deaths for children? |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 07:57 PM |
#48 |
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You bet. All including guns. Ask anyone who's lost one. |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 09:06 PM |
#52 |
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So how do you get it to zero? A magic wand? |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 09:26 PM |
#54 |
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Zero is an ideal. |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 09:40 PM |
#57 |
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We are talking about the restrictions you place on me |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 10:12 PM |
#59 |
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I was suggesting self imposition, not me imposing anything on you |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 11:16 PM |
#61 |
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None, same as with electricity and pools... |
SteveM |
Aug-01-11 12:33 PM |
#76 |
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Or |
azureblue |
Jul-30-11 08:02 PM |
#13 |
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No matter how you approach it, you end up at the same conclusion |
Euromutt |
Jul-31-11 12:20 AM |
#27 |
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all of which goes to show that there is no point to it! |
iverglas |
Jul-30-11 08:08 PM |
#15 |
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you sure? |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 09:32 PM |
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what? |
iverglas |
Jul-31-11 12:02 AM |
#24 |
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my bad I was distracted |
gejohnston |
Jul-31-11 01:33 AM |
#32 |
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"it has no agency of its own" |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 02:16 PM |
#40 |
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Because there are valid reasons to shot someone |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 08:02 PM |
#49 |
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We can come up with valid reasons for anything if we try hard enough |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 09:02 PM |
#50 |
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If it causes no harm them of course people can carry them around in public |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 09:22 PM |
#53 |
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What restrictions are you referring to? |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 09:34 PM |
#56 |
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Too bad your feelings are not sufficient grounds to restrict others civil rights |
hack89 |
Jul-31-11 10:09 PM |
#58 |
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I was expressing my thoughts. Not feelings. |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 11:08 PM |
#60 |
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Sounds good. |
LAGC |
Aug-01-11 09:32 PM |
#119 |
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I am not in favor of any carry |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 12:36 PM |
#128 |
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Why must you always conflate OC w/ exhibitionism? |
RSillsbee |
Aug-02-11 12:46 PM |
#129 |
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I call it as I see it. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 01:28 PM |
#134 |
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So you know what's in my mind now? NT |
RSillsbee |
Aug-02-11 01:38 PM |
#135 |
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I thought you were the mind reader |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 01:43 PM |
#137 |
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That contrived semantical red herring again |
Euromutt |
Aug-01-11 04:36 AM |
#65 |
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Or "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" |
Terry in Austin |
Jul-30-11 07:22 PM |
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Ever been to the UK? How about these places |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 07:44 PM |
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Countries with the lowest intenial |
safeinOhio |
Jul-30-11 07:51 PM |
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do you think you can just keep doing this? |
iverglas |
Jul-30-11 08:11 PM |
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If you can show causation |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 09:36 PM |
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what are you talking about? |
iverglas |
Jul-31-11 12:32 AM |
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I did say cause |
gejohnston |
Jul-31-11 01:18 AM |
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any other theories for the drop in spousal homicides of women |
iverglas |
Jul-31-11 03:20 AM |
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I am sure there are a number of reasons |
gejohnston |
Jul-31-11 01:33 PM |
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governance is not about bargaining |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 11:06 AM |
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Democracy is about deals |
gejohnston |
Aug-01-11 02:52 PM |
#97 |
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no, it is not |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 03:41 PM |
#105 |
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who said anything about bargaining away rights? |
gejohnston |
Aug-01-11 04:47 PM |
#110 |
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whoa |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:53 AM |
#125 |
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a better quote |
gejohnston |
Aug-01-11 07:16 PM |
#111 |
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and you think that George Bush |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:55 AM |
#126 |
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Actually |
gejohnston |
Aug-02-11 01:42 PM |
#136 |
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ha... rper |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:39 PM |
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That tire store was on N. Lamar near the RR tracks. |
SteveM |
Jul-31-11 12:32 PM |
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very simple and not nonsensical |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 07:24 PM |
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because your response is a non sequitor |
azureblue |
Jul-30-11 07:46 PM |
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Not different in any relevant sense - in both cases the gun did nothing |
petronius |
Jul-30-11 08:02 PM |
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WHO EVER SAID A GUN DID ANYTHING? |
iverglas |
Jul-31-11 12:33 AM |
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I would guess it is all in the phrasing... |
Glassunion |
Aug-01-11 02:59 PM |
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or perhaps |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 03:45 PM |
#106 |
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Not to mention the disingenuous "uses" of the phrases. |
Glassunion |
Aug-01-11 04:01 PM |
#108 |
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let's get real |
iverglas |
Jul-30-11 08:13 PM |
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That is a good and complex question. |
gejohnston |
Jul-30-11 10:03 PM |
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you'll start there ... |
iverglas |
Jul-31-11 12:12 AM |
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you missed the point |
gejohnston |
Jul-31-11 06:39 PM |
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you missed one too |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 11:44 AM |
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OK |
gejohnston |
Aug-01-11 02:01 PM |
#92 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-30-11 10:19 PM |
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to many guns, are just like the ring in the LOTR movies...metal controls man. |
ileus |
Jul-30-11 07:25 PM |
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well, if you want to get technical about it |
azureblue |
Jul-30-11 07:31 PM |
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actually, propellant kills people. |
provis99 |
Jul-30-11 08:10 PM |
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No; it's the combination of firearm, propellant and projectile |
Euromutt |
Jul-31-11 12:11 AM |
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Wait.... wait... It's the primer that kills them. Yeah, that's it. right. |
SteveM |
Jul-31-11 12:42 PM |
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if you want to get technical about it |
RSillsbee |
Jul-30-11 10:20 PM |
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The guns in my safe or inanimate. They are inanimate when outside... |
SteveM |
Jul-31-11 12:18 PM |
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Well said. |
ileus |
Jul-31-11 09:27 PM |
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Object prohibitionism, the scourge of social policy... |
SteveM |
Aug-01-11 12:41 PM |
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ah, addiction to guns; isn't it sad? |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 01:02 PM |
#79 |
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You brought up "addiction." Please define, esp. as it relates to guns. |
SteveM |
Aug-01-11 01:24 PM |
#81 |
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you brought up alcohol, drugs and tobacco |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 01:28 PM |
#83 |
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Objects of prohibition, clearly... |
SteveM |
Aug-01-11 01:33 PM |
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And I already dealt with that |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 02:00 PM |
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Yet, you made comments about gun "addiction." |
SteveM |
Aug-01-11 02:18 PM |
#93 |
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I very plainly said there is No Such Thing as "gun addiction" |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 03:12 PM |
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and your evidence is? |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 12:44 PM |
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My guns were around 4 kids yesterday without harming any of them... |
ileus |
Aug-01-11 02:36 PM |
#95 |
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Hard Fact, Guns Do Not Kill People |
DWC |
Jul-31-11 12:35 PM |
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Don't blame the gun, blame the person. |
Ready4Change |
Jul-31-11 04:30 PM |
#44 |
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what punishments are proposed for guns who kill people? |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 01:07 PM |
#80 |
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You may have misunderstood my response. |
Ready4Change |
Aug-01-11 03:06 PM |
#101 |
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looked pretty darned simple to me |
iverglas |
Aug-01-11 03:52 PM |
#107 |
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Ok. |
Ready4Change |
Aug-01-11 09:18 PM |
#117 |
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yes indeed |
iverglas |
Aug-02-11 07:56 AM |
#127 |
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Bombs don't kill people either. |
Starboard Tack |
Jul-31-11 07:30 PM |
#47 |
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Not by themselves, no |
Euromutt |
Aug-01-11 06:06 AM |
#66 |
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The point is that bombs and guns are not defensive but offensive weapons |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 11:00 AM |
#68 |
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That's an *ahem* interesting definition. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 11:45 AM |
#72 |
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I don't dictate morality. That's an individual choice |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 12:14 PM |
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Still chewing.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 12:22 PM |
#75 |
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Having gone through those experiences I might well have decided to carry also |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 01:30 PM |
#84 |
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Then how do you reconcile.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 01:40 PM |
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The concealed part. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 01:42 PM |
#88 |
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That's neither here nor there. |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 01:46 PM |
#89 |
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Maybe you should sew a patch with the sillouette of a gun to your clothing to make them feel better. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Aug-01-11 02:24 PM |
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Oh of course.. we're back to the Bork 'moral harm' discussion. n/t |
X_Digger |
Aug-01-11 03:09 PM |
#102 |
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Then I disagree with you for reasons stated |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 02:42 PM |
#96 |
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Do you realize |
rrneck |
Aug-02-11 12:47 PM |
#130 |
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What feelings? What do you know about my feelings? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 04:00 PM |
#138 |
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Sooooo, |
rrneck |
Aug-02-11 04:54 PM |
#139 |
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Hiding a gun on one's person is inherently dishonest. Dishonesty by omission. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 07:02 PM |
#140 |
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Why do you think |
rrneck |
Aug-02-11 07:15 PM |
#141 |
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They don't and I don't think they have any obligation unless they enter my home. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 08:49 PM |
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If there is no obligation to provide information |
rrneck |
Aug-02-11 09:29 PM |
#146 |
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If I saw someone in a restaurant with an OC firearm |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-02-11 11:45 PM |
#149 |
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So what's the problem? |
rrneck |
Aug-03-11 09:53 AM |
#153 |
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There are lots of things that are bad for society |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-03-11 01:52 PM |
#154 |
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You have said |
rrneck |
Aug-03-11 04:31 PM |
#157 |
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The law needs to be changed so as not to support deceptive behavior. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-03-11 04:46 PM |
#158 |
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Why would anyone want to decieve you? nt |
rrneck |
Aug-03-11 06:28 PM |
#160 |
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If I may interject... |
DWC |
Aug-01-11 01:26 PM |
#82 |
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You defended your home, which I support without reservation |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 01:40 PM |
#87 |
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Please consider |
DWC |
Aug-01-11 03:04 PM |
#100 |
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OK I understand that shit happens |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 04:28 PM |
#109 |
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What about all those illegal guns being concealed? |
hack89 |
Aug-01-11 03:12 PM |
#104 |
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I would hope that none of us is surrounded by concealed weapons |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 07:24 PM |
#112 |
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Since gun violence has steadily decreased |
hack89 |
Aug-01-11 07:46 PM |
#113 |
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What fears would those be? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-01-11 08:09 PM |
#116 |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-01-11 10:15 PM |
#120 |
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Do you support the publishing of the names of permit holders? How about their addresses? |
oneshooter |
Aug-02-11 09:30 PM |
#147 |
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I think if you are carrying concealed you should wear something to alert people of that fact. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-03-11 01:11 AM |
#150 |
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I do |
DWC |
Aug-03-11 06:34 AM |
#152 |
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You could be describing me, my friend. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-03-11 02:01 PM |
#155 |
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I know a lot of grumpy-old-men-with-guns (GOMWG) |
DWC |
Aug-03-11 04:00 PM |
#156 |
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LOL live long and enjoy. It only gets better |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-03-11 04:50 PM |
#159 |
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Somewhat like the Germans had their own people wear? |
oneshooter |
Aug-03-11 06:41 PM |
#161 |
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You really show your true colors don't you? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-04-11 12:40 PM |
#163 |
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It was your idea. |
oneshooter |
Aug-04-11 08:42 PM |
#165 |
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Hey, thanks for posting it again. Pretty good, huh? |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-04-11 09:04 PM |
#167 |
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You can not claim the idea as your own. Adolf did it first. n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-04-11 09:14 PM |
#168 |
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Which color? |
gejohnston |
Aug-04-11 09:04 PM |
#166 |
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If you were following this silliness you would have noticed that our friend ONESHOOTER |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-05-11 12:01 PM |
#169 |
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A non answer. Kinda impolite to ignore a question directed to you. |
oneshooter |
Aug-03-11 06:48 PM |
#162 |
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Yes is my obvious answer. Of course. |
Starboard Tack |
Aug-04-11 12:46 PM |
#164 |
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Sorry, your defining them as such does not make them so |
Euromutt |
Aug-02-11 05:05 AM |
#122 |
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It's a mystery, shrouded in an enigma, |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-11 03:55 AM |
#64 |
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With bacon and salsa? n/t |
oneshooter |
Aug-02-11 09:34 PM |
#148 |
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