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Tue Jul-26-11 02:42 PM
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| 85. She was assaulted but not injured or killed, so technically, the conditions weren't met. |
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There's a reason I address iverglas as "Your Sophistry"; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that argument made. Also, we don't know for certain that she would have been raped, even if the perpetrator had condoms, lube and a written notes describing his intentions. The sherrif isn't absolutely sure (as in to a mathematical proof level certainty) either.
The way the challenge is worded, only God could answer it. And it would probably have to be done personally--no using signs and wonders or sending angelic messengers.
And, to be fair, while iverglas was quoting the thug's declared intentions as authority the story hadn't been updated to the place it is now (see Tejas's post below and the reply regarding the change). I tried to point out that the word of a guy with a weapon to your throat is worthless, but to no avail. Then more facts came out.
Facts and evidence are very inconvenient to devotees of the Gun Control Reality Distortion Field.
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| -Female hotel clerk NOT raped, robbed or murdered. |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 08:58 AM |
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Well, alrightie then. Let's arm every woman. Free or cut rate guns. That'll lower the crime rate. |
RC |
Jul-25-11 09:30 AM |
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38 Rossi's for every lady...not a bad plan I suppose. |
ileus |
Jul-25-11 09:33 AM |
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delete |
Upton |
Jul-25-11 09:41 AM |
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Firearms for personal protection is indeed a good thing |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jul-25-11 09:40 AM |
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It would certainly lower the rate of sexual assaults.. |
Upton |
Jul-25-11 09:43 AM |
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really? |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:20 AM |
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This woman knows of what I speak.. |
Upton |
Jul-25-11 02:27 PM |
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2008 |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 09:33 PM |
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It's not about reducing assault rates |
redgiant |
Jul-25-11 11:38 PM |
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Just read the OP article |
DWC |
Jul-26-11 10:17 AM |
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Well, everyone knows |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 09:47 AM |
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plus it deprives the womans family of her insurance money. |
ileus |
Jul-25-11 10:08 AM |
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you "know" some weird shit |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:21 AM |
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Or just make all guns illegal...that's sure to be obeyed by robbers and rapists. |
bellcrank |
Jul-25-11 09:50 AM |
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Many women are buying firearms and getting concealed carry permits ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 09:53 AM |
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women and the right wing agenda |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:23 AM |
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My daughter is a Democrat and had a concealed weapons permit ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 12:03 PM |
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I'm missing the moral of your story |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 12:14 PM |
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Well that's obviously a personal problem.... |
Blown330 |
Jul-25-11 12:33 PM |
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no effort to make physical contact was ever made |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 12:42 PM |
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Physical contact... |
Blown330 |
Jul-25-11 01:48 PM |
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hahahaha |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 02:54 PM |
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Not within your capability. |
Blown330 |
Jul-25-11 09:34 PM |
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Glad your prognostication works so well. Perhaps you can teach that. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 01:48 PM |
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The moral is that she might have been terrorized had she not had a carry permit ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 12:59 PM |
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Yeah, at this point, I'm pretty confused. |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 01:52 PM |
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"defensive measures" |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 02:58 PM |
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Carrying a firearm is a defensive measure--if it is carried for defensive purposes, |
TPaine7 |
Jul-25-11 05:54 PM |
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You remind me of Diane Sawyer. |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 06:12 PM |
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if you can't spell it right |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 09:36 PM |
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The FBI would disagree with you |
Kennah |
Jul-25-11 07:05 PM |
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I understand that legally carrying a concealed weapon in Canada ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 07:16 PM |
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Hey iverglas, have you read the latest update of THIS story? |
TPaine7 |
Jul-25-11 09:04 PM |
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the sheriff may be a mind reader, eh? |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:09 PM |
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Of course not. No human or group of humans can answer your challenge. As intended. n/t |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 05:23 PM |
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The Goddess of Lies and Bullshit is most definitely a mindreader. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 10:31 PM |
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I am really confused |
DWC |
Jul-26-11 10:39 AM |
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She was assaulted but not injured or killed, so technically, the conditions weren't met. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 02:42 PM |
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disgusting |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:20 PM |
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You are so confused. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 10:11 PM |
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integrity > smoke and mirrors |
Tejas |
Jul-27-11 05:10 AM |
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what did you miss? |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:17 PM |
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Jul-26-11 04:42 PM |
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and I daresay |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 05:02 PM |
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Jul-26-11 05:23 PM |
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Jul-26-11 05:36 PM |
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"I daresay that certain elements have grown extremely bold in my lengthy absence from this place" |
TPaine7 |
Jul-27-11 12:00 AM |
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Jul-26-11 05:40 PM |
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Jul-26-11 06:01 PM |
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Here's one. There are many more every month, sadly. Now kindly shut up about it. |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-27-11 01:43 AM |
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You ask for examples so here are a few from my neighborhood |
DWC |
Jul-27-11 02:37 PM |
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Jul-26-11 04:08 PM |
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II am glad you hold that opinion |
DWC |
Jul-26-11 08:56 PM |
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Please tell me how, precisely, THESE deaths could NOT have been |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-27-11 02:08 AM |
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okay, one post, one news item, at random |
iverglas |
Jul-27-11 03:46 PM |
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Can't handle the Facts? |
DWC |
Jul-27-11 04:38 PM |
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Yes, we can all see that you are incapable of arguing your position logically |
Common Sense Party |
Jul-27-11 07:21 PM |
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It did materialize...he was arrested. Safety first was her choice. |
ileus |
Jul-25-11 02:46 PM |
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Wow. You really are clueless. |
redgiant |
Jul-25-11 11:46 PM |
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Oh, you mean Eleanor Roosevelt? nt |
SteveM |
Jul-25-11 01:58 PM |
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Some DUers have a commonality of purpose with those they denounce. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-26-11 12:37 PM |
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dwelling in the past |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:34 PM |
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Too bad. It's more important that the people be able to arm themselves, if they so choose. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-26-11 06:55 PM |
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what in god's name are you yammering about? |
iverglas |
Jul-27-11 04:56 PM |
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OK, then: Me. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-27-11 07:36 PM |
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Why is it that a woman, choosing to arm herself, purchasing a weapon |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-25-11 10:26 AM |
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I've tried putting all of the "arming everyone" twits in my Ignore list |
slackmaster |
Jul-25-11 10:57 AM |
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Exactly! n/t |
redgiant |
Jul-25-11 11:53 PM |
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Penn Jillette had that idea first. He also said that the guns should be pink. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-25-11 11:14 AM |
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Pink guns have caught on with some women ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 12:09 PM |
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I have a hypothesis why that is |
Euromutt |
Jul-27-11 02:02 AM |
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I think every mentally competent adult woman with a clean record should have the *choice*. |
benEzra |
Jul-26-11 06:00 PM |
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Good for the clerk! If more of them would kill thugs, it would cut down on crime. |
bellcrank |
Jul-25-11 09:49 AM |
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if we're lucky |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:46 AM |
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-25-11 10:24 AM |
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I hope the hotel chain stands behind the clerk on this. n/t |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-25-11 11:14 AM |
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excuse me |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:19 AM |
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Because it's true. |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 11:31 AM |
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she also didn't fly to the moon |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:40 AM |
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Armed women are often more difficult to "exploit" if a misogynist plans to ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 01:47 PM |
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sez you |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 02:59 PM |
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A felon who has a woman under his control through the threat of death can always be taken at his |
TPaine7 |
Jul-25-11 11:40 AM |
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in your world |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 11:44 AM |
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So then we all agree it was a good outcome. |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 11:53 AM |
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nope |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 12:00 PM |
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Then we agree there are times when using deadly force is the better of two outcomes. |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 12:15 PM |
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"Most robbers take their loot and leave, after all." But not always... |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 12:40 PM |
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Bangalore! my my |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 12:43 PM |
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Here's another "basketball"... |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 12:56 PM |
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jeezus gawd |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 03:19 PM |
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Here's one for you |
shedevil69taz |
Jul-25-11 03:54 PM |
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Oh look! An Apple.... |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 04:02 PM |
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Bushels of apples, but only crow to eat.... |
AzWorker |
Jul-25-11 06:51 PM |
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If you continue to let Reality(tm) over-ride your belief in The Message(tm).... |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 06:36 PM |
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let me try again, perhaps you will understand it this time |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 09:54 PM |
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Take it up with the journalist.. |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 09:47 AM |
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no, I won't, Mr Johnny Come Lately |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:35 PM |
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"tell me how potential sexual assault victims having handguns on their persons would avert |
Glassunion |
Jul-25-11 04:10 PM |
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How about this story? ... |
spin |
Jul-25-11 02:17 PM |
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Or.. |
Glassunion |
Jul-25-11 02:26 PM |
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Opps, more apples... |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 04:03 PM |
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interesting |
iverglas |
Jul-25-11 09:32 PM |
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Yes they are both still alive. But no less raped because of that fact. |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 09:42 AM |
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a cloo for yoo |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:29 PM |
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And a few clues for you... |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 05:33 PM |
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give it another try |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 05:45 PM |
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Another try. |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 06:12 PM |
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better yet |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 06:15 PM |
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So what you are saying is that you don't know anything about me. Yet you claim you do. |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 06:34 PM |
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Why would the "Goddess of Truth and Beauty" ask a mortal for evidence |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 10:21 PM |
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Well... In all fairness my clue was not so much supernatural, but it was super hero-ish |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 10:36 PM |
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Oh that has nothing to do with your clue; iverglas styles herself the Goddess of Truth and Beauty. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 10:58 PM |
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Well shit. I guess I have to rethink this whole being black thing. |
Glassunion |
Jul-27-11 06:22 AM |
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Speaking of men being raped |
Euromutt |
Jul-27-11 01:41 AM |
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How can you possibly know about thousands of criminal events that didn't make the news? n/t |
TPaine7 |
Jul-26-11 10:28 PM |
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I don't call it a good outcome... |
Blown330 |
Jul-25-11 12:52 PM |
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really? |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:37 PM |
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Poor child. |
Blown330 |
Jul-27-11 12:57 AM |
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"...her action appears to have been reasonable." I agree with you. nt |
SteveM |
Jul-25-11 02:03 PM |
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No. Not always. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-25-11 06:06 PM |
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In the real world... |
TPaine7 |
Jul-25-11 02:20 PM |
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"I said precisely what I intended to, with no insinuations or implied points whatsoever." |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 06:44 PM |
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"fantasies about sexual assault" |
DWC |
Jul-27-11 05:23 PM |
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are you ... er .. visually impaired? |
iverglas |
Jul-27-11 05:32 PM |
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I can read just fine - you ought to try it |
DWC |
Jul-27-11 06:58 PM |
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are you saying I'm lying |
iverglas |
Jul-27-11 07:10 PM |
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Close enough. n/t |
DWC |
Jul-27-11 08:04 PM |
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And we should take "The assailant"'s word that it is all he intends? |
PavePusher |
Jul-25-11 01:54 PM |
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what's your point? |
iverglas |
Jul-27-11 05:37 PM |
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Since you're in Canada, (803) 576-1457 is long distance but... |
Tejas |
Jul-25-11 07:16 PM |
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That's a much more detailed report from when this was first posted this morning. |
drpepper67 |
Jul-25-11 08:34 PM |
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Jul-26-11 09:59 AM |
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My results? |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 04:40 PM |
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You're right, it's unpossible the perp would've raped that woman. |
Tejas |
Jul-26-11 05:51 PM |
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it's like whacking moles around here |
iverglas |
Jul-26-11 06:03 PM |
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Jul-26-11 07:15 PM |
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Happy ending. Good thug=dead thug |
The Green Manalishi |
Jul-25-11 03:24 PM |
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How tacky and uncivilized of her to carry a gun outside of her home. |
Glassunion |
Jul-26-11 10:03 AM |
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Hoyt will be ashamed of her. n/t |
oneshooter |
Jul-26-11 04:57 PM |
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female cowboy gunner toaters are being unfair to rapist... |
ileus |
Jul-27-11 07:09 AM |
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Just think of the moral harm she has caused! |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-27-11 07:42 PM |
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