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TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #141
152. Sigh
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 02:45 AM by TPaine7
If most normal parents in the world wanted the adults in charge of their children AT A SUMMER CAMP armed (note the capitalized words, the ones you decided to excise, for reasons known only to yourself ...

They're "excised" because I copied the quote from the text block directly above it. Feel free to imagine that I'm terrified of your words, LOL, if that's what the Field wants.

If most normal parents in the world wanted the adults in charge of their children AT A SUMMER CAMP armed (note the capitalized words, the ones you decided to excise, for reasons known only to yourself ... although some of us can guess), then ... and this may just be me ... I'd expect to see the adults in charge of children at summer camps armed. In at least a good proportion of cases.

And yet ... I don't.

Let's see. Are you at a summer camp?

I'd expect to see the adults in charge of children at summer camps armed. In at least a good proportion of cases.

And yet ... I don't.

And, of course, you're intimately involved with the policies of summer camps the world over, right?

My guess, and I state it as a guess rather than using it as evidence as would Your Sophistry, is that many US Democrats want the people at their children's summer camps armed. And that in a good proportion of cases, at least in the US, they are, your not seeing them notwithstanding. I would also guess that many other countries at least have armed guards at summer camps, if just for the possible rabid animals.

You're betting some of the Norwegian parents in question are wishing "quite the opposite" -- a bit of a tangled web of words, but capable of being interpreted only as "wishing the adults at the summer camp had been armed".

I'm betting all of them--at least all of the "irrational indecent" ones--would rather their children had been defended by armed staff than that they were killed.

I know you look down on us irrational, indecent Americans, iverglas, but you must understand. Decency like yours, that prefers the purity of the Gun Control Reality Distortion Field and dead children to the impurity of armed defense and living children, is quite rare, at least in the States.

How much, and when's the payout?

If you escape the Field, the payout is clear thinking, freedom from programming and the fact that you no longer have to pretend that it's abnormal for parents to prefer armed resistance to dead children.

I know, I know, that will never be enough for Your Sophistry.
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  -I just read that the Norway gunman attacked for 90 minutes... Cid_B  Jul-23-11 01:23 PM   #0 
  - Charles Whitman  NNN0LHI   Jul-23-11 01:24 PM   #1 
  - Whitman had the advantage of higher ground.  TheWraith   Jul-23-11 02:06 PM   #27 
  - Even U. of Texas was "gun-free." And he killed the elevator guard.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:50 PM   #47 
     - That Is Utter Bullshit.  Paladin   Jul-24-11 02:00 PM   #175 
  - I assume that because Norway has had so little terrorism/ violence, security has not been tight  LeftishBrit   Jul-23-11 01:24 PM   #2 
  - They sure have strong gun-control laws, for what that's worth.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:51 PM   #48 
     - I'd say this incident shows EXACTLY what those are worth NT  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 04:59 PM   #73 
     - do tell  iverglas   Jul-23-11 06:23 PM   #90 
        - No, norway has all the little crapy gun control laws that the anti gun people like  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:43 PM   #100 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 09:43 PM   #119 
        - guess I'll have to start keeping copies of everything I post  iverglas   Jul-24-11 12:54 PM   #166 
           - oh look!  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:50 PM   #179 
           - And Dave Codrea quoted me on the radio today .  Katya Mullethov   Jul-25-11 12:41 AM   #186 
           - Wow! What monumental hypocrisy!  TPaine7   Jul-24-11 11:47 PM   #185 
              - and yet I was being so sincere  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:21 AM   #200 
        - No. False difference. In fact, bullshit strawman.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:03 PM   #106 
        - ARRRRRRGH!!!  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 07:18 PM   #109 
        - It was not an illegal machinegun  Pigheaded   Jul-26-11 09:24 PM   #197 
        - your source is off a bit. According to the UN, 52 percent of Finnish homes  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 07:32 PM   #111 
        - It is a huge difference.  Atypical Liberal   Jul-24-11 04:42 PM   #181 
           - since I've already replied to this  iverglas   Jul-24-11 05:00 PM   #182 
  - I believe they were isolated somewhere at a lake. I can certainly  juajen   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #3 
  - Utoya is an island completely surrounded by water.  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:27 PM   # 
  - Well, then, it's a very unique island, huh?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:48 PM   #46 
     - As in "not close enough to the shore to have a bridge"  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 04:58 PM   #72 
  - "I can certainly see the improbability of help arriving in time. In most obscure camps...."  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 04:07 PM   #62 
  - or at our summer camps  Enrique   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #4 
  - Go Rub Some Oil On It, Sweeet-Heart  The Magistrate   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #5 
  - thank you.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-23-11 01:53 PM   #22 
  - Psst, you forgot to say "sir".  Hoopla Phil   Jul-23-11 03:15 PM   #56 
  - My daughter's at camp. They turn in their cell phones when they arrive.  riderinthestorm   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #6 
  - Interesting that you thought of phones...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:20 PM   #36 
  - Norway is not a litigious society  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:16 AM   #187 
  - They had their phones.  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:28 PM   #41 
     - and authorities asked parents NOT to call  JackintheGreen   Jul-23-11 02:36 PM   #45 
        - Now there's a message you never want to get.  aquart   Jul-23-11 03:11 PM   #53 
        - gunmEn? There were 2 or more?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 03:12 PM   #54 
           - To clarify  JackintheGreen   Jul-23-11 04:23 PM   #67 
              - Ah, okay. The first report I heard, late this morning said one guy.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:39 PM   #98 
  - I think there was such an incident in Los Angeles...  physioex   Jul-23-11 01:26 PM   #7 
  - North Hollywood shootout  MicaelS   Jul-23-11 03:52 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 01:26 PM   #8 
  - Part of the reason that the Columbine incident lasted so long ...  spin   Jul-23-11 02:03 PM   #25 
  - It was an island.  WinkyDink   Jul-23-11 01:27 PM   #9 
  - Loughner is psychotic. All he knew about firearms was pull trigger, go boom.  geckosfeet   Jul-23-11 01:27 PM   #10 
  - Virginia Tech and Columbine lasted hours.  Swede   Jul-23-11 01:28 PM   #11 
  - Yes. OP is flat wrong.  geckosfeet   Jul-23-11 01:37 PM   #17 
  - In the US, most of the country is not a "no gun zone" so I'm sure you will be able to  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:49 PM   #102 
     - Cloumbine for one.  geckosfeet   Jul-24-11 07:27 AM   #155 
  - No. Both lasted much less than an hour.  TheWraith   Jul-23-11 02:08 PM   #28 
  - In my defense...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:12 PM   #29 
  - Columbine and VT, cops failed to engage as soon as they arrived  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 04:11 PM   #63 
  - New Life church was over in 10 minutes  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 05:02 PM   #74 
     - Yup. One person with a legally concealed weapon can stop a massacre.  spin   Jul-23-11 06:28 PM   #93 
        - Jean Assam says was asked to leave the church.  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 07:16 PM   #108 
        - If you noticed in my post I said ...  spin   Jul-23-11 07:36 PM   #112 
           - Sorry , that whole controversy just pissed me off  RSillsbee   Jul-24-11 01:10 AM   #151 
              - The media really didn't cover Jeanne Assam much after the initial incident ...  spin   Jul-24-11 10:22 AM   #158 
                 - On the subject of open carry  RSillsbee   Jul-24-11 10:34 AM   #160 
                    - First you must note that I live in a state where legal concealed carry is very common ...  spin   Jul-24-11 01:10 PM   #167 
        - One highly trained professional doing her job  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:28 AM   #188 
           - Not "highly trained" (in any objective sense) and not a professional. Very competent, though.  benEzra   Jul-26-11 06:10 PM   #194 
              - OK but obviously trained well enough. I assume you know her  Starboard Tack   Jul-26-11 06:50 PM   #195 
                 - Know of her, and a bit about her. Have read about her background, training,  benEzra   Jul-26-11 09:00 PM   #196 
                    - Agreed.  Starboard Tack   Jul-27-11 12:57 AM   #198 
  - I've had similar thoughts  milwaukeelib33   Jul-23-11 01:28 PM   #12 
  - There are some people who think it's better for victims to be slaughtered like dogs than  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:18 PM   #34 
  - wtf? there WAS an armed defense. You think kids at camp should be armed?  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:12 PM   #87 
  - Well, I am certainly TRYING to be an example of something...that being  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:28 PM   #92 
  - In any shooting the victims are dead when the shooter is stopped. Duh.  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:39 PM   #99 
  - I stopped the attempted murder of one of my gay friends with my gun years ago  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:43 PM   #101 
     - Ah, so you are a REAL TRVE DEMOCRAT and we are "namby-pamby anti-constitutionalist assholes who care  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:59 PM   #105 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 09:56 PM   #122 
  - you certainly are indeed!  iverglas   Jul-23-11 09:48 PM   #121 
  - You need to calm down and drink a nice cup of tea  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:45 AM   #190 
  - My summer camp was armed  Atypical Liberal   Jul-27-11 09:56 AM   #199 
  - schools of thought ... people ...  iverglas   Jul-23-11 09:46 PM   #120 
  - To claim that anyone thinks that without attribution is beyond sick  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:42 AM   #189 
     - and the fact  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:29 AM   #202 
  - Come to camp and bring your Glock?  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:32 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 02:35 PM   #44 
  - Stand back a moment and be reasonable...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:58 PM   #49 
  - You just inspired me not to buy one, a Glock. They are so...cliche so  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:14 PM   #64 
  - It wasn't a summer camp-type camp; more like a YDA convention  Euromutt   Jul-24-11 06:45 AM   #153 
     - and then of course there are the ... what are they called? ...  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:54 AM   #164 
  - I give up  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:27 PM   #78 
     - "Most normal parents in this world really do not want the adults in charge of their children..armed"  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 07:24 PM   #110 
     - The grieving parents don't count...  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:45 PM   #115 
     - no, only Master Paine counts  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:03 PM   #124 
        - Armed adults and living children or unarmed adults and dead children...  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 11:07 PM   #138 
        - well, here's the thing  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:36 PM   #141 
           - Sigh  TPaine7   Jul-24-11 02:26 AM   #152 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-24-11 10:31 AM   #159 
              - nope, sorry, not wearing this  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:59 AM   #165 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-24-11 05:06 PM   #183 
        - Well, look what we have here.  beevul   Jul-25-11 06:25 AM   #193 
     - yeah, yeah  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:01 PM   #123 
        - How many of those Labour Party activists or  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 10:44 PM   #132 
           - nah  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:55 PM   #135 
              - so if we had your party discipline  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:42 PM   #143 
                 - that was an acknowledgement that your statement was false?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:53 PM   #144 
                    - not exactly  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 12:33 AM   #150 
                       - oh sigh (edited)  iverglas   Jul-24-11 10:54 AM   #161 
                          - still not exactly  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 01:37 PM   #170 
     - You have a good point. It would have been irrational for the adults to think  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:38 PM   #114 
     - I give up  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:08 PM   #125 
        - Many US Democrats, including this poster, prefer a society that doesn't ban concealed carry.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 10:18 PM   #129 
        - you seem to have missed the post you replied to  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:20 PM   #130 
           - Fail indeed.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 10:46 PM   #133 
        - The only armed camp I know of is Camp Jedel in the Catskills - JDL outfit  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 03:26 AM   #191 
           - snork  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:27 AM   #201 
     - There was a time when most "normal" parents thought lots of strange and wrong things.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 08:03 PM   #116 
     - "normal" in my sentence  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:08 PM   #126 
        - both are value judgements and have no empirical value.  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 10:47 PM   #134 
           - your point?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:57 PM   #136 
              - Some of the worst public policy have been based on "decent and rational"  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:16 PM   #139 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 11:41 PM   #142 
                 - I see  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:23 AM   #162 
                 - no the issue was use of normal and decent  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 01:41 PM   #171 
                    - no  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:45 PM   #173 
                 - so as I was saying ...  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:43 PM   #172 
                    - Yes you are  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 02:02 PM   #176 
                       - no, you were not  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:43 PM   #178 
     - Sigh...  Cid_B   Jul-24-11 08:57 AM   #156 
     - I will resist  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:38 AM   #163 
        - My camp experiences.....  Cid_B   Jul-24-11 01:15 PM   #168 
           - now try reading the post I was initially replying to  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:35 PM   #169 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-11 01:49 PM   #174 
  - Unseemly.  demmiblue   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   # 
  - I don't think you thought about it very hard.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #13 
  - This was Norway.  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 01:52 PM   #21 
  - Try to follow along.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-23-11 05:37 PM   #82 
  - I never heard of gun-porn...what is it?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:16 PM   #32 
     - Term used by many gun-control/banners here. Good question...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:04 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 03:10 PM   #52 
        - There are other interpretations as well...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:31 PM   #59 
           - That's 'cause I haven't posted my picture here yet....  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 04:26 PM   #68 
           - It's so sad because this mass murder stuff has gone celebrity...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 04:40 PM   #69 
           - I really think we need to have a law....  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 04:50 PM   #70 
           - Well, not a law. But I see your point. It would be nice if MSM were responsible.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 05:07 PM   #75 
           - I've remarked before on this forum about the relationship between mass murderers and 24-hour news  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 05:16 PM   #77 
           - Sorry ....but  Katya Mullethov   Jul-23-11 07:06 PM   #107 
           - "I have yet to see 'gun porn' attached to an attractive man using a gun."  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:31 PM   #79 
              - I have a different theory  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 06:35 PM   #95 
              - Lots or women find violent aggressive men very appealing, images or not.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 08:08 PM   #117 
     - here ya go  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:14 PM   #127 
     - no takers?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:59 PM   #145 
     - No takers on what, dear?  X_Digger   Jul-24-11 12:15 AM   #148 
     - Mr Gill fits this profile also  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 12:05 AM   #147 
        - interesting source  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:36 PM   #177 
        - Anders Behring Breivik: profile of a mass murderer  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:57 PM   #180 
     - Urban Dictionary says  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 03:49 AM   #192 
        - there now  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:30 AM   #203 
  - At a youth camp, on an island, by someone in police uniform??  cbdo2007   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #14 
  - Loughner was stopped by unarmed persons.  louis-t   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #15 
  - Yes, I know...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:17 PM   #33 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 02:23 PM   #38 
  - One armed peson was in a store and ran toward the scene...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:07 PM   #51 
  - Does Norway have the death penalty? nt  donco   Jul-23-11 01:36 PM   #16 
  - No, and the maximum prison sentence is 21 years  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 04:55 PM   #71 
  - No, not since 1905 apparently.  PoliticAverse   Jul-23-11 05:08 PM   #76 
  - When seconds count, the police are only  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 01:44 PM   #18 
  - I saw that on a bumper sticker the other day, right next to some Republican ones.  Tesha   Jul-23-11 06:06 PM   #85 
     - Very clever, implying that I'm secretly a Republican.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:49 PM   #103 
     - I would never imply you are a Republican; that is against the DU rules.  Tesha   Jul-23-11 07:37 PM   #113 
        - Not always a money issue  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:06 PM   #137 
        - Do you oppose the Patriot Act? N/T  Marengo   Jul-24-11 09:54 AM   #157 
        - I'm glad that your fellow citizens have decided to do that. However:  friendly_iconoclast   Jul-24-11 05:59 PM   #184 
     - It ain't Republicans saying it in Detroit and other cities  Union Scribe   Jul-27-11 01:44 PM   #212 
  - How about at youth camps, Girl Scout Camps, etc. ? Thoughts?  AlinPA   Jul-23-11 01:45 PM   #19 
  - I'm thinking of the camps from my scouting days...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:15 PM   #31 
  - Increasingly, "youth camps" include training in firearms. nt  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:14 PM   #55 
  - I got my marksmanship badge at a boy scout camp..  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 05:31 PM   #80 
     - Yeah. So did I. But nobody at camp could have dealt with a mass murderer  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 06:19 PM   #89 
        - My scout master always carried on our events.  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 10:41 PM   #131 
        - I meant to ask this too  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:36 AM   #205 
           - Ahh, a wonderful 'what if'  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 10:54 AM   #206 
              - yes, because skilled shooters with semi-automatic rifles  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:57 AM   #207 
                 - Rather than 73? Absolutely.  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 11:01 AM   #208 
                    - yes, we know  iverglas   Jul-27-11 11:28 AM   #209 
                       - Nice bob and weave..  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 11:51 AM   #210 
                          - oh my  iverglas   Jul-27-11 01:43 PM   #211 
                             - So which were you-- WCTU or ASL?  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 02:29 PM   #213 
                                - I don't suggest that your Prohibition was a success  iverglas   Jul-27-11 03:01 PM   #214 
                                   - Nit-picking words, again?  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 03:13 PM   #215 
                                      - yeah, big man?  iverglas   Jul-27-11 03:20 PM   #216 
                                         - Prohibition of a very popular item? Yah.. no relation.  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 03:27 PM   #217 
        - "We didn't camp in a Hollywood movie"?  Euromutt   Jul-24-11 07:16 AM   #154 
  - Well, according to some schools of thought, it's a good thing none of the victims were armed  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 01:47 PM   #20 
  - name those schools of thought  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:33 PM   #81 
  - "name those schools of thought"  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 05:41 PM   #83 
  - "'Stupid U' has been giving out degrees to anti-rights activists for decades."  iverglas   Jul-23-11 06:12 PM   #86 
     - Why would Azworker have an anti-rights degree? He's obviously Pro-rights.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:35 PM   #96 
        - oh dear, is that the only kind of degree that 'Stupid U' gives out?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:18 PM   #128 
  - Gerard Stampfield Kindergarten is one  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:23 PM   #91 
  - I'd like to see any proof of that beyond your mind  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:15 PM   #88 
     - Simple...just read the posts.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:30 PM   #94 
        - point me to one. It's not that complicated. If you assert it, you prove it.  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:37 PM   #97 
           - That would technically be a call out, and against DU rules.  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 11:31 PM   #140 
              - oh, come on  iverglas   Jul-24-11 12:00 AM   #146 
                 - Having trouble reading two posts up?  X_Digger   Jul-24-11 12:20 AM   #149 
  - On an island accessible only by boat with no on-site security  jpak   Jul-23-11 01:54 PM   #23 
  - So do you have any ideas about how to solve the "problem"?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:15 PM   #30 
  - Take a deep breath... step away from the keyboard...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Yup.  TheCowsCameHome   Jul-23-11 02:30 PM   #42 
  - "Gun-free" zone? I agree.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:17 PM   #58 
  - Actually, a gun-free zone. Bet the attacker knew it, too. nt  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:16 PM   #57 
  - I forgot to ask  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:34 AM   #204 
  - Not even the same  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 05:58 PM   #84 
  - (Your vote: -1)  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 01:56 PM   #24 
  - Do you assume everything, everywhere, is the same?  Schema Thing   Jul-23-11 02:04 PM   #26 
  - No... do you?  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:24 PM   #39 
  - Insult other DUers  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 03:35 PM   #60 
  - Loughner did not run out, his gun jammed. Other than that, you are right nt  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:19 PM   #65 
  - If loughner kept shooting and was able to avoid being stopped there would have  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:58 PM   #104 
  - AGP...  xocet   Jul-23-11 02:18 PM   #35 
  - Fascist Bible bangers are evil. Those are my only thoughts right now. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-23-11 02:27 PM   #40 
     - true, but I expand that to all fascist (fill in the blank) bangers nt  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:20 PM   #66 
        - True. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-23-11 09:18 PM   #118 

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