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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #80
89. Yeah. So did I. But nobody at camp could have dealt with a mass murderer
The adults who managed the rifle range would not have run across camp to get a rifle.
We didn't camp in a Hollywood movie.
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  -I just read that the Norway gunman attacked for 90 minutes... Cid_B  Jul-23-11 01:23 PM   #0 
  - Charles Whitman  NNN0LHI   Jul-23-11 01:24 PM   #1 
  - Whitman had the advantage of higher ground.  TheWraith   Jul-23-11 02:06 PM   #27 
  - Even U. of Texas was "gun-free." And he killed the elevator guard.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:50 PM   #47 
     - That Is Utter Bullshit.  Paladin   Jul-24-11 02:00 PM   #175 
  - I assume that because Norway has had so little terrorism/ violence, security has not been tight  LeftishBrit   Jul-23-11 01:24 PM   #2 
  - They sure have strong gun-control laws, for what that's worth.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:51 PM   #48 
     - I'd say this incident shows EXACTLY what those are worth NT  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 04:59 PM   #73 
     - do tell  iverglas   Jul-23-11 06:23 PM   #90 
        - No, norway has all the little crapy gun control laws that the anti gun people like  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:43 PM   #100 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 09:43 PM   #119 
        - guess I'll have to start keeping copies of everything I post  iverglas   Jul-24-11 12:54 PM   #166 
           - oh look!  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:50 PM   #179 
           - And Dave Codrea quoted me on the radio today .  Katya Mullethov   Jul-25-11 12:41 AM   #186 
           - Wow! What monumental hypocrisy!  TPaine7   Jul-24-11 11:47 PM   #185 
              - and yet I was being so sincere  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:21 AM   #200 
        - No. False difference. In fact, bullshit strawman.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:03 PM   #106 
        - ARRRRRRGH!!!  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 07:18 PM   #109 
        - It was not an illegal machinegun  Pigheaded   Jul-26-11 09:24 PM   #197 
        - your source is off a bit. According to the UN, 52 percent of Finnish homes  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 07:32 PM   #111 
        - It is a huge difference.  Atypical Liberal   Jul-24-11 04:42 PM   #181 
           - since I've already replied to this  iverglas   Jul-24-11 05:00 PM   #182 
  - I believe they were isolated somewhere at a lake. I can certainly  juajen   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #3 
  - Utoya is an island completely surrounded by water.  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:27 PM   # 
  - Well, then, it's a very unique island, huh?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:48 PM   #46 
     - As in "not close enough to the shore to have a bridge"  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 04:58 PM   #72 
  - "I can certainly see the improbability of help arriving in time. In most obscure camps...."  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 04:07 PM   #62 
  - or at our summer camps  Enrique   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #4 
  - Go Rub Some Oil On It, Sweeet-Heart  The Magistrate   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #5 
  - thank you.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-23-11 01:53 PM   #22 
  - Psst, you forgot to say "sir".  Hoopla Phil   Jul-23-11 03:15 PM   #56 
  - My daughter's at camp. They turn in their cell phones when they arrive.  riderinthestorm   Jul-23-11 01:25 PM   #6 
  - Interesting that you thought of phones...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:20 PM   #36 
  - Norway is not a litigious society  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:16 AM   #187 
  - They had their phones.  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:28 PM   #41 
     - and authorities asked parents NOT to call  JackintheGreen   Jul-23-11 02:36 PM   #45 
        - Now there's a message you never want to get.  aquart   Jul-23-11 03:11 PM   #53 
        - gunmEn? There were 2 or more?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 03:12 PM   #54 
           - To clarify  JackintheGreen   Jul-23-11 04:23 PM   #67 
              - Ah, okay. The first report I heard, late this morning said one guy.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:39 PM   #98 
  - I think there was such an incident in Los Angeles...  physioex   Jul-23-11 01:26 PM   #7 
  - North Hollywood shootout  MicaelS   Jul-23-11 03:52 PM   #61 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 01:26 PM   #8 
  - Part of the reason that the Columbine incident lasted so long ...  spin   Jul-23-11 02:03 PM   #25 
  - It was an island.  WinkyDink   Jul-23-11 01:27 PM   #9 
  - Loughner is psychotic. All he knew about firearms was pull trigger, go boom.  geckosfeet   Jul-23-11 01:27 PM   #10 
  - Virginia Tech and Columbine lasted hours.  Swede   Jul-23-11 01:28 PM   #11 
  - Yes. OP is flat wrong.  geckosfeet   Jul-23-11 01:37 PM   #17 
  - In the US, most of the country is not a "no gun zone" so I'm sure you will be able to  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:49 PM   #102 
     - Cloumbine for one.  geckosfeet   Jul-24-11 07:27 AM   #155 
  - No. Both lasted much less than an hour.  TheWraith   Jul-23-11 02:08 PM   #28 
  - In my defense...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:12 PM   #29 
  - Columbine and VT, cops failed to engage as soon as they arrived  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 04:11 PM   #63 
  - New Life church was over in 10 minutes  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 05:02 PM   #74 
     - Yup. One person with a legally concealed weapon can stop a massacre.  spin   Jul-23-11 06:28 PM   #93 
        - Jean Assam says was asked to leave the church.  RSillsbee   Jul-23-11 07:16 PM   #108 
        - If you noticed in my post I said ...  spin   Jul-23-11 07:36 PM   #112 
           - Sorry , that whole controversy just pissed me off  RSillsbee   Jul-24-11 01:10 AM   #151 
              - The media really didn't cover Jeanne Assam much after the initial incident ...  spin   Jul-24-11 10:22 AM   #158 
                 - On the subject of open carry  RSillsbee   Jul-24-11 10:34 AM   #160 
                    - First you must note that I live in a state where legal concealed carry is very common ...  spin   Jul-24-11 01:10 PM   #167 
        - One highly trained professional doing her job  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:28 AM   #188 
           - Not "highly trained" (in any objective sense) and not a professional. Very competent, though.  benEzra   Jul-26-11 06:10 PM   #194 
              - OK but obviously trained well enough. I assume you know her  Starboard Tack   Jul-26-11 06:50 PM   #195 
                 - Know of her, and a bit about her. Have read about her background, training,  benEzra   Jul-26-11 09:00 PM   #196 
                    - Agreed.  Starboard Tack   Jul-27-11 12:57 AM   #198 
  - I've had similar thoughts  milwaukeelib33   Jul-23-11 01:28 PM   #12 
  - There are some people who think it's better for victims to be slaughtered like dogs than  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:18 PM   #34 
  - wtf? there WAS an armed defense. You think kids at camp should be armed?  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:12 PM   #87 
  - Well, I am certainly TRYING to be an example of something...that being  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:28 PM   #92 
  - In any shooting the victims are dead when the shooter is stopped. Duh.  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:39 PM   #99 
  - I stopped the attempted murder of one of my gay friends with my gun years ago  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:43 PM   #101 
     - Ah, so you are a REAL TRVE DEMOCRAT and we are "namby-pamby anti-constitutionalist assholes who care  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:59 PM   #105 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 09:56 PM   #122 
  - you certainly are indeed!  iverglas   Jul-23-11 09:48 PM   #121 
  - You need to calm down and drink a nice cup of tea  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:45 AM   #190 
  - My summer camp was armed  Atypical Liberal   Jul-27-11 09:56 AM   #199 
  - schools of thought ... people ...  iverglas   Jul-23-11 09:46 PM   #120 
  - To claim that anyone thinks that without attribution is beyond sick  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 02:42 AM   #189 
     - and the fact  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:29 AM   #202 
  - Come to camp and bring your Glock?  aquart   Jul-23-11 02:32 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 02:35 PM   #44 
  - Stand back a moment and be reasonable...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 02:58 PM   #49 
  - You just inspired me not to buy one, a Glock. They are so...cliche so  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:14 PM   #64 
  - It wasn't a summer camp-type camp; more like a YDA convention  Euromutt   Jul-24-11 06:45 AM   #153 
     - and then of course there are the ... what are they called? ...  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:54 AM   #164 
  - I give up  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:27 PM   #78 
     - "Most normal parents in this world really do not want the adults in charge of their children..armed"  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 07:24 PM   #110 
     - The grieving parents don't count...  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:45 PM   #115 
     - no, only Master Paine counts  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:03 PM   #124 
        - Armed adults and living children or unarmed adults and dead children...  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 11:07 PM   #138 
        - well, here's the thing  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:36 PM   #141 
           - Sigh  TPaine7   Jul-24-11 02:26 AM   #152 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-24-11 10:31 AM   #159 
              - nope, sorry, not wearing this  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:59 AM   #165 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-24-11 05:06 PM   #183 
        - Well, look what we have here.  beevul   Jul-25-11 06:25 AM   #193 
     - yeah, yeah  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:01 PM   #123 
        - How many of those Labour Party activists or  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 10:44 PM   #132 
           - nah  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:55 PM   #135 
              - so if we had your party discipline  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:42 PM   #143 
                 - that was an acknowledgement that your statement was false?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:53 PM   #144 
                    - not exactly  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 12:33 AM   #150 
                       - oh sigh (edited)  iverglas   Jul-24-11 10:54 AM   #161 
                          - still not exactly  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 01:37 PM   #170 
     - You have a good point. It would have been irrational for the adults to think  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 07:38 PM   #114 
     - I give up  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:08 PM   #125 
        - Many US Democrats, including this poster, prefer a society that doesn't ban concealed carry.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 10:18 PM   #129 
        - you seem to have missed the post you replied to  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:20 PM   #130 
           - Fail indeed.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 10:46 PM   #133 
        - The only armed camp I know of is Camp Jedel in the Catskills - JDL outfit  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 03:26 AM   #191 
           - snork  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:27 AM   #201 
     - There was a time when most "normal" parents thought lots of strange and wrong things.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 08:03 PM   #116 
     - "normal" in my sentence  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:08 PM   #126 
        - both are value judgements and have no empirical value.  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 10:47 PM   #134 
           - your point?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:57 PM   #136 
              - Some of the worst public policy have been based on "decent and rational"  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:16 PM   #139 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 11:41 PM   #142 
                 - I see  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:23 AM   #162 
                 - no the issue was use of normal and decent  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 01:41 PM   #171 
                    - no  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:45 PM   #173 
                 - so as I was saying ...  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:43 PM   #172 
                    - Yes you are  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 02:02 PM   #176 
                       - no, you were not  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:43 PM   #178 
     - Sigh...  Cid_B   Jul-24-11 08:57 AM   #156 
     - I will resist  iverglas   Jul-24-11 11:38 AM   #163 
        - My camp experiences.....  Cid_B   Jul-24-11 01:15 PM   #168 
           - now try reading the post I was initially replying to  iverglas   Jul-24-11 01:35 PM   #169 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-11 01:49 PM   #174 
  - Unseemly.  demmiblue   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   # 
  - I don't think you thought about it very hard.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #13 
  - This was Norway.  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 01:52 PM   #21 
  - Try to follow along.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-23-11 05:37 PM   #82 
  - I never heard of gun-porn...what is it?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:16 PM   #32 
     - Term used by many gun-control/banners here. Good question...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:04 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-23-11 03:10 PM   #52 
        - There are other interpretations as well...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:31 PM   #59 
           - That's 'cause I haven't posted my picture here yet....  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 04:26 PM   #68 
           - It's so sad because this mass murder stuff has gone celebrity...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 04:40 PM   #69 
           - I really think we need to have a law....  PavePusher   Jul-23-11 04:50 PM   #70 
           - Well, not a law. But I see your point. It would be nice if MSM were responsible.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 05:07 PM   #75 
           - I've remarked before on this forum about the relationship between mass murderers and 24-hour news  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 05:16 PM   #77 
           - Sorry ....but  Katya Mullethov   Jul-23-11 07:06 PM   #107 
           - "I have yet to see 'gun porn' attached to an attractive man using a gun."  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:31 PM   #79 
              - I have a different theory  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 06:35 PM   #95 
              - Lots or women find violent aggressive men very appealing, images or not.  TPaine7   Jul-23-11 08:08 PM   #117 
     - here ya go  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:14 PM   #127 
     - no takers?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 11:59 PM   #145 
     - No takers on what, dear?  X_Digger   Jul-24-11 12:15 AM   #148 
     - Mr Gill fits this profile also  gejohnston   Jul-24-11 12:05 AM   #147 
        - interesting source  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:36 PM   #177 
        - Anders Behring Breivik: profile of a mass murderer  iverglas   Jul-24-11 02:57 PM   #180 
     - Urban Dictionary says  Starboard Tack   Jul-25-11 03:49 AM   #192 
        - there now  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:30 AM   #203 
  - At a youth camp, on an island, by someone in police uniform??  cbdo2007   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #14 
  - Loughner was stopped by unarmed persons.  louis-t   Jul-23-11 01:31 PM   #15 
  - Yes, I know...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:17 PM   #33 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-23-11 02:23 PM   #38 
  - One armed peson was in a store and ran toward the scene...  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:07 PM   #51 
  - Does Norway have the death penalty? nt  donco   Jul-23-11 01:36 PM   #16 
  - No, and the maximum prison sentence is 21 years  Euromutt   Jul-23-11 04:55 PM   #71 
  - No, not since 1905 apparently.  PoliticAverse   Jul-23-11 05:08 PM   #76 
  - When seconds count, the police are only  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 01:44 PM   #18 
  - I saw that on a bumper sticker the other day, right next to some Republican ones.  Tesha   Jul-23-11 06:06 PM   #85 
     - Very clever, implying that I'm secretly a Republican.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:49 PM   #103 
     - I would never imply you are a Republican; that is against the DU rules.  Tesha   Jul-23-11 07:37 PM   #113 
        - Not always a money issue  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 11:06 PM   #137 
        - Do you oppose the Patriot Act? N/T  Marengo   Jul-24-11 09:54 AM   #157 
        - I'm glad that your fellow citizens have decided to do that. However:  friendly_iconoclast   Jul-24-11 05:59 PM   #184 
     - It ain't Republicans saying it in Detroit and other cities  Union Scribe   Jul-27-11 01:44 PM   #212 
  - How about at youth camps, Girl Scout Camps, etc. ? Thoughts?  AlinPA   Jul-23-11 01:45 PM   #19 
  - I'm thinking of the camps from my scouting days...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:15 PM   #31 
  - Increasingly, "youth camps" include training in firearms. nt  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:14 PM   #55 
  - I got my marksmanship badge at a boy scout camp..  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 05:31 PM   #80 
     - Yeah. So did I. But nobody at camp could have dealt with a mass murderer  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 06:19 PM   #89 
        - My scout master always carried on our events.  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 10:41 PM   #131 
        - I meant to ask this too  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:36 AM   #205 
           - Ahh, a wonderful 'what if'  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 10:54 AM   #206 
              - yes, because skilled shooters with semi-automatic rifles  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:57 AM   #207 
                 - Rather than 73? Absolutely.  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 11:01 AM   #208 
                    - yes, we know  iverglas   Jul-27-11 11:28 AM   #209 
                       - Nice bob and weave..  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 11:51 AM   #210 
                          - oh my  iverglas   Jul-27-11 01:43 PM   #211 
                             - So which were you-- WCTU or ASL?  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 02:29 PM   #213 
                                - I don't suggest that your Prohibition was a success  iverglas   Jul-27-11 03:01 PM   #214 
                                   - Nit-picking words, again?  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 03:13 PM   #215 
                                      - yeah, big man?  iverglas   Jul-27-11 03:20 PM   #216 
                                         - Prohibition of a very popular item? Yah.. no relation.  X_Digger   Jul-27-11 03:27 PM   #217 
        - "We didn't camp in a Hollywood movie"?  Euromutt   Jul-24-11 07:16 AM   #154 
  - Well, according to some schools of thought, it's a good thing none of the victims were armed  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 01:47 PM   #20 
  - name those schools of thought  iverglas   Jul-23-11 05:33 PM   #81 
  - "name those schools of thought"  AzWorker   Jul-23-11 05:41 PM   #83 
  - "'Stupid U' has been giving out degrees to anti-rights activists for decades."  iverglas   Jul-23-11 06:12 PM   #86 
     - Why would Azworker have an anti-rights degree? He's obviously Pro-rights.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:35 PM   #96 
        - oh dear, is that the only kind of degree that 'Stupid U' gives out?  iverglas   Jul-23-11 10:18 PM   #128 
  - Gerard Stampfield Kindergarten is one  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:23 PM   #91 
  - I'd like to see any proof of that beyond your mind  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:15 PM   #88 
     - Simple...just read the posts.  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 06:30 PM   #94 
        - point me to one. It's not that complicated. If you assert it, you prove it.  uppityperson   Jul-23-11 06:37 PM   #97 
           - That would technically be a call out, and against DU rules.  X_Digger   Jul-23-11 11:31 PM   #140 
              - oh, come on  iverglas   Jul-24-11 12:00 AM   #146 
                 - Having trouble reading two posts up?  X_Digger   Jul-24-11 12:20 AM   #149 
  - On an island accessible only by boat with no on-site security  jpak   Jul-23-11 01:54 PM   #23 
  - So do you have any ideas about how to solve the "problem"?  bellcrank   Jul-23-11 02:15 PM   #30 
  - Take a deep breath... step away from the keyboard...  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Yup.  TheCowsCameHome   Jul-23-11 02:30 PM   #42 
  - "Gun-free" zone? I agree.  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:17 PM   #58 
  - Actually, a gun-free zone. Bet the attacker knew it, too. nt  SteveM   Jul-23-11 03:16 PM   #57 
  - I forgot to ask  iverglas   Jul-27-11 10:34 AM   #204 
  - Not even the same  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 05:58 PM   #84 
  - (Your vote: -1)  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 01:56 PM   #24 
  - Do you assume everything, everywhere, is the same?  Schema Thing   Jul-23-11 02:04 PM   #26 
  - No... do you?  Cid_B   Jul-23-11 02:24 PM   #39 
  - Insult other DUers  Kolesar   Jul-23-11 03:35 PM   #60 
  - Loughner did not run out, his gun jammed. Other than that, you are right nt  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:19 PM   #65 
  - If loughner kept shooting and was able to avoid being stopped there would have  lawodevolution   Jul-23-11 06:58 PM   #104 
  - AGP...  xocet   Jul-23-11 02:18 PM   #35 
  - Fascist Bible bangers are evil. Those are my only thoughts right now. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-23-11 02:27 PM   #40 
     - true, but I expand that to all fascist (fill in the blank) bangers nt  gejohnston   Jul-23-11 04:20 PM   #66 
        - True. nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-23-11 09:18 PM   #118 
 

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