MyrnaLoy
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Tue Jul-12-11 06:16 PM
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When Troy Brake was convicted of killing four people, authorities threw the book at him. They took his freedom. They took his gun. But did they take his license to carry a concealed weapon? Prosecutors in two counties that convicted Brake could not recall sending the required notices to the Newaygo County gun board from which he obtained his license.  http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/ready_aim_m...
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MyrnaLoy |
Jul-12-11 06:16 PM |
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Would Jay walking be included |
Riftaxe |
Jul-12-11 06:27 PM |
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Charges or convictions? |
gejohnston |
Jul-12-11 06:29 PM |
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Some people are guilty until proven innocent. Or even after being proven innocent. n/t |
TPaine7 |
Jul-12-11 07:11 PM |
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What on earth is a "county gun board"? n/t |
Tejas |
Jul-12-11 07:46 PM |
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Looks like a review board that handles revocations and reinstatements? (n/t) |
benEzra |
Jul-12-11 08:57 PM |
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And this is evidence of.... what, exactly? n/t |
PavePusher |
Jul-12-11 07:47 PM |
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I could provide a |
MyrnaLoy |
Jul-12-11 08:19 PM |
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How many carry permit holders were there in |
gejohnston |
Jul-12-11 08:26 PM |
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Guilty until proven innocent is your game now, eh? |
eqfan592 |
Jul-12-11 08:29 PM |
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It's almost a given that you will be arrested |
RSillsbee |
Jul-12-11 08:29 PM |
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For perspective, 1005 charges out of 272,000 CCW holders is about 365 per 100,000. |
benEzra |
Jul-12-11 08:56 PM |
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You just *had* to go and harsh the mellow by doing verifiable research, didn't you? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-12-11 09:18 PM |
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actually even |
MyrnaLoy |
Jul-12-11 11:04 PM |
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Incorrect. |
PavePusher |
Jul-12-11 11:15 PM |
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you have seen this right? |
MyrnaLoy |
Jul-12-11 11:48 PM |
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The Question, a final time (because it's already been asked of you)... |
PavePusher |
Jul-13-11 12:18 AM |
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Yes; it says "charges," not "convictions" |
Euromutt |
Jul-13-11 01:17 AM |
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You do understand the difference between the 'total number'... |
eqfan592 |
Jul-13-11 08:41 AM |
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Yeah, I can see that it says 'charges' twice, no mention of convictions. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-13-11 09:58 AM |
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Others have pointed out to you the difference between 'rate' and 'total number',.... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-12-11 11:43 PM |
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Calling bullshit! |
one-eyed fat man |
Jul-13-11 09:46 AM |
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Wow! Shades of the Goddess of Truth and Beauty, AKA Her Sophistry. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-13-11 09:06 PM |
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It's pretty well know legal CCer's are a pretty honest, trustworthy bunch. |
ileus |
Jul-12-11 09:27 PM |
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Have an up-vote. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jul-13-11 01:59 PM |
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Arrested for what? And that's a six-year span of CCW expansion... |
SteveM |
Jul-14-11 11:45 AM |
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So he can't conceal carry in prison now? or can he? |
ileus |
Jul-12-11 08:33 PM |
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Didn't Michigan only allow CCW 10 years ago? |
krispos42 |
Jul-12-11 09:35 PM |
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Misfire? Yep, looks like you shot yourself in the foot - again. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-12-11 09:42 PM |
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Yeah, he/she seems to be great at doing that to his/her self. :P nt |
eqfan592 |
Jul-12-11 09:49 PM |
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really? |
MyrnaLoy |
Jul-12-11 11:08 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Jul-12-11 11:17 PM |
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Jul-13-11 09:36 AM |
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And that old 78 just keeps on skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, skip-, |
SteveM |
Jul-14-11 11:49 AM |
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What's the Conviction rate per 100,000? |
MicaelS |
Jul-12-11 10:08 PM |
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Need to compare to those in general public who could qualify for a permit, but choose not to tote. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 10:11 AM |
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Your last sentence is simply untrue, Hoyt. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 10:39 AM |
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I know the states provide inaccurate info. But, I doubt prosecutors, etc., forward it to the agency. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 02:31 PM |
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I can't speak for Michigan, but what evidence do you have that FL and TX do so? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 02:52 PM |
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Go ask prosecutors, judges, etc., if they always send info to whatever agency handles it. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 03:13 PM |
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It's the same agency, |
X_Digger |
Jul-13-11 03:26 PM |
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He might even provide some evidence beyond "Because I said so, that's why" |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 03:46 PM |
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Here's some evidence that you too could find if you really cared to look for the truth. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 04:31 PM |
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That article said 1,400 of 410,000 permit holders were legally DQ'd. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 04:40 PM |
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Shows it happens, you just can't admit it. And we don't know how many the newspaper missed. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 05:04 PM |
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Than prove it. Even the article *you* linked to gave CCW holders better-than-average records. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 05:16 PM |
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In that case they are a felon with an illegal gun. They aren't a CCWer. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-13-11 06:00 PM |
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No, they are someone with a permit because the system doesn't work like you want us to believe. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 08:54 PM |
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If they have been DQed due to felony then the permit has been yanked. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-13-11 11:36 PM |
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What does that have to do with Texas? |
X_Digger |
Jul-13-11 05:53 PM |
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"I suspect...". A faith-based argument, in other words. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jul-13-11 03:49 PM |
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No, I'm saying most non-carriers who could qualify for permit are like me. Just as law abiding as |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 03:16 PM |
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See Glassunion's reply #36 just below. n/t |
X_Digger |
Jul-13-11 03:33 PM |
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XD, you guys have been around too much lead. |
Hoyt |
Jul-13-11 04:33 PM |
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So you can't refute any of it? |
X_Digger |
Jul-13-11 05:48 PM |
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The Texas stats are based on convictions and the state keeps accurate records of convictions. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-13-11 05:56 PM |
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I agree that you cannot compare rates for the General Population which includes convicted felons. |
Glassunion |
Jul-13-11 01:01 PM |
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Texas reports annual conviction data, including what the offences were. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-13-11 02:31 PM |
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Got you some Michigan data... |
Glassunion |
Jul-14-11 12:57 PM |
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Sounds like a political agenda coupled with media hype. |
Remmah2 |
Jul-13-11 08:39 AM |
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There are issues with the data. |
Glassunion |
Jul-13-11 10:18 AM |
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Heh, misfire indeed. |
PavePusher |
Jul-13-11 12:03 PM |
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So in other words, in spite of more stringent reporting... |
Atypical Liberal |
Jul-13-11 02:13 PM |
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Incidentally, did you read the last few paragraphs of that article? |
Euromutt |
Jul-13-11 02:50 PM |
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Someone seems to have abandoned this thread. I wonder why? |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-14-11 01:34 AM |
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A spike in spankings |
Katya Mullethov |
Jul-14-11 06:44 AM |
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Got you some more detailed info on that chart. |
Glassunion |
Jul-14-11 03:58 PM |
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THAT, would seem to put a final nail in the coffin of this facade. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-15-11 09:21 AM |
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I am however upset at the shear volume of driving under the influence charges... |
Glassunion |
Jul-15-11 10:14 AM |
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