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TPaine7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:09 PM
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Should Ted Kennedy have been able to purchase a gun?
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Remember, his name was on the terror watch list. It's a simple question; a simple yes or no would be appreciated, with any explanation following--I'd like to be able to easily tally responses.

For those who say yes, here are some follow up questions:

Do you believe in equality under the law?

Do you believe that other people--sane people with clean criminal records who have reached the age of majority--should also be able to purchase guns, even if their names appear on the terrorist watch list just like Kennedy's name did? If not, why not?

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  -Should Ted Kennedy have been able to purchase a gun? TPaine7  May-14-11 01:09 PM   #0 
  - His name should have been removed from the terror watch list.  pnwmom   May-14-11 01:16 PM   #1 
  - All the names should be removed from the list. nt  ZombieHorde   May-14-11 01:18 PM   #3 
  - Can you explain how it is progressive or liberal  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:41 PM   #17 
  - It isn't about proving innocence. It's about proving identity. n/t  pnwmom   May-14-11 03:03 PM   #43 
     - What  Hangingon   May-14-11 03:18 PM   #46 
     - You're wasting bandwidth.  pnwmom   May-14-11 03:55 PM   #49 
     - No, if you are on the list because you are SUSPECTED of being a terrorist  TPaine7   May-14-11 04:02 PM   #50 
        - Correction: "if your name is on the list because a person using that name (not necessarily you)...  Euromutt   May-14-11 07:23 PM   #68 
  - Bit difficult, considering it wasn't on the list in the first place  Euromutt   May-14-11 02:22 PM   #37 
  - Which is obviously crazy. The list clearly needs to be culled,  pnwmom   May-14-11 03:04 PM   #44 
     - It should be culled until it contains only CONVICTED terrorists,  TPaine7   May-14-11 03:45 PM   #47 
     - The lists (note plural) need to be scrapped  Euromutt   May-14-11 04:25 PM   #51 
  - Thats two "shoulds" in your post.  cleanhippie   May-14-11 07:02 PM   #66 
  - But there isn't and until there is  RSillsbee   May-14-11 10:45 PM   #74 
  - Yes, TK should have been able to purchase a gun.  ZombieHorde   May-14-11 01:17 PM   #2 
  - I meant equality under the law as an ideal, not as a reality.  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:19 PM   #5 
     - I definitely like the ideal. nt  ZombieHorde   May-14-11 01:23 PM   #8 
  - Just fix the list.  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:18 PM   #4 
  - It's a list of SUSPECTS.  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:21 PM   #7 
  - The only way to fix the list it to abandon it. nt  ZombieHorde   May-14-11 01:24 PM   #9 
  - Yes, yes, yes.  X_Digger   May-14-11 01:21 PM   #6 
  - I notice that some people refuse to answer a yes or no question.  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:24 PM   #10 
     - Here is why.  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:41 PM   #16 
        - What is the "controversial assumption" in the OP?  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:50 PM   #25 
        - Only in that it forces you to deal with the question of whether the list violates due process.  AtheistCrusader   May-14-11 01:50 PM   #26 
        - You need to learn to apply those better..  X_Digger   May-14-11 02:05 PM   #35 
        - Safe, you have often been accused of being anti-gun in this forum  TPaine7   May-14-11 02:32 PM   #40 
  - Yes. Yes. Yes.  rrneck   May-14-11 01:31 PM   #11 
  - Ted Kennedy use to put a bullet proof vest on ever morning before he went to work  sasha031   May-14-11 01:31 PM   #12 
  - Do you also have an answer to the OP's straightforward question(s)? n/t  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:34 PM   #13 
  - I remember when my Senator was put on the watch list  sasha031   May-14-11 01:48 PM   #23 
     - He had armed bodyguards. He didn't need a gun. N/T  GreenStormCloud   May-14-11 01:56 PM   #32 
     - In other words, no, you don't have a straightforward answer.  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:57 PM   #33 
     - Dodge. n/t  PavePusher   May-14-11 05:07 PM   #58 
     - If only they could solve the strawmen anti's keep rolling out...  eqfan592   May-14-11 10:54 PM   #75 
     - Rich people hire their killing done  one-eyed fat man   May-15-11 07:39 PM   #82 
     - His brother Jack was an NRA life member  gejohnston   May-15-11 10:29 PM   #84 
  - Why on Earth would he need to do that?  Euromutt   May-14-11 04:31 PM   #53 
  - Seems easy enough  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:37 PM   #14 
  - This logic was used to implement poll taxes and literacy tests.  AtheistCrusader   May-14-11 01:53 PM   #28 
  - Most murders are by people who DO have records.  GreenStormCloud   May-14-11 01:53 PM   #29 
  - "Show Cause" hearings are  safeinOhio   May-14-11 02:03 PM   #34 
     - Extremists and ideologues  TPaine7   May-14-11 02:48 PM   #42 
     - So, no one sits in jail after killing someone  safeinOhio   May-14-11 05:18 PM   #60 
     - The authorities can't jail that person indefinitely and arbitrarily.  TPaine7   May-14-11 05:36 PM   #63 
        - Like I suggested.  safeinOhio   May-14-11 06:47 PM   #65 
           - Still unconstitutional  TPaine7   May-15-11 02:59 PM   #79 
     - I love the ones that claim to own (or used to guns, or claim to know 'good' (or 'bad') gun owners...  friendly_iconoclast   May-14-11 07:30 PM   #69 
     - So why did you lump murders and suicides together?  GreenStormCloud   May-14-11 04:29 PM   #52 
        - No more than concluding that you  safeinOhio   May-14-11 05:15 PM   #59 
           - So why did you lump murders and suicides together?  GreenStormCloud   May-15-11 09:12 AM   #76 
  - "Most murder, suicides are by people that have no record."  X_Digger   May-14-11 02:28 PM   #38 
     - Innocent until proven guilty is  safeinOhio   May-14-11 05:22 PM   #62 
        - Have you heard of 'public defenders'?  X_Digger   May-14-11 09:44 PM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   May-14-11 01:37 PM   #15 
  - I. alone, am a well regulated militia.  Tuesday Afternoon   May-14-11 01:41 PM   #18 
  - I'm a part of a well regulated militia.  armueller2001   May-14-11 01:43 PM   #19 
  - "well regulated" as in  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:47 PM   #22 
     - In the 18th century...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   May-15-11 09:54 AM   #77 
  - Ted  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:43 PM   #20 
  - I have no affiliation with the NRA, and have never given them a penny.  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:45 PM   #21 
  - See post #16.  safeinOhio   May-14-11 01:49 PM   #24 
     - ????  TPaine7   May-14-11 01:52 PM   #27 
  - Men between the ages of 17 and 45 are, by US law.  AtheistCrusader   May-14-11 01:53 PM   #30 
  - +10000, I am incensed that it still reads that way.  Tuesday Afternoon   May-14-11 02:29 PM   #39 
  - That horse you are beating is dead and has rotted away. N/T  GreenStormCloud   May-14-11 01:55 PM   #31 
  - Guns are for killing- who? nt  rrneck   May-14-11 02:39 PM   #41 
  - How about a Marine reservist?  Euromutt   May-14-11 04:51 PM   #55 
  - Another one who spouts off without knowing what s/he is talking about.  cleanhippie   May-14-11 07:03 PM   #67 
  - Guns ? Absolutely .  Katya Mullethov   May-14-11 02:19 PM   #36 
  - That's quite an interesting question...and you should have had a third option.  blue neen   May-14-11 03:10 PM   #45 
  - That's an interesting answer. May I ask why? n/t  TPaine7   May-14-11 03:47 PM   #48 
     - Well, the question did not point to an easy "Yes" or "No" answer for me.  blue neen   May-14-11 04:40 PM   #54 
        - I see significant differences.  TPaine7   May-14-11 05:02 PM   #56 
           - Those aren't really significant differences; those are questions of semantics.  blue neen   May-14-11 05:21 PM   #61 
              - Interesting  TPaine7   May-14-11 06:22 PM   #64 
                 - At this point, I would not add or subtract any qualifiers.  blue neen   May-14-11 08:22 PM   #71 
  - I am sure he would have qualified under  Riftaxe   May-14-11 05:02 PM   #57 
  - To his credit, though, Kennedy did complain on behalf of "ordinary citizens"...  Euromutt   May-14-11 07:33 PM   #70 
     - Speaking of Nelson Mandela...  Straw Man   May-14-11 10:29 PM   #73 
  - Yes, because...  discntnt_irny_srcsm   May-15-11 10:41 AM   #78 
  - Automatic Rec for topic that triggers cognitive dissonance  slackmaster   May-15-11 04:10 PM   #80 
  - YES--- because being on the list is not against the law---  creeker   May-15-11 05:03 PM   #81 
  - Yes, arbitrary lists should not supercede constitutional  Riftaxe   May-15-11 10:17 PM   #83 

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