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15. Federalist 46
http://memory.loc.gov/const/fed/fed_46.html

Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.

The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms.

This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.

It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it.

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes.

But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.

Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.
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  -Arming the Left: Is the time now? Lori Price CLG  Feb-22-04 09:40 PM   #0 
  - YES YES YES....  ablbodyed   Feb-22-04 09:42 PM   #1 
  - Having just spent a day  SWPAdem   Feb-22-04 10:56 PM   #19 
  - I believe in the left being armed to the teeth...  lcordero   Feb-22-04 09:46 PM   #2 
  - Why should only the Reichwing be equipped to engage in warfare?  Lori Price CLG   Feb-22-04 10:02 PM   #7 
     - Actually, only soldiers are equpped for warfare,  K-W   Feb-22-04 10:03 PM   #8 
        - Hate to tell you  lcordero   Feb-22-04 10:07 PM   #11 
        - The us army  FeebMaster   Feb-22-04 11:05 PM   #22 
  - We need to view this GE  salinen   Feb-22-04 09:49 PM   #3 
  - So tell me how this would be different ...  Hekate   Feb-22-04 09:49 PM   #4 
  - Hi Lori  rainy   Feb-22-04 09:54 PM   #5 
  - Thanks, Rainy!!  Lori Price CLG   Feb-22-04 09:57 PM   #6 
  - Oh, yes  Gildor Inglorion   Feb-22-04 10:03 PM   #9 
  - What about those of us on the left who are already armed? (m)  Moonbeam_Starlight   Feb-22-04 10:06 PM   #10 
  - Ditto...and looking for more.  Media_Lies_Daily   Feb-22-04 10:09 PM   #13 
  - Yes, spread the word, even if you *didn't* read it!  Lori Price CLG   Feb-22-04 10:17 PM   #16 
  - "a real threat to the powers that be"-HA! They've got the firepower. No...  JohnOneillsMemory   Feb-22-04 10:09 PM   #12 
  - Federalist 46  Columbia   Feb-22-04 10:13 PM   #15 
  - Yes.  FeebMaster   Feb-22-04 11:01 PM   #20 
     - Lightly armed civilians?  DonP   Feb-23-04 10:38 AM   #28 
        - Great points, especially this one:  Lori Price CLG   Feb-23-04 11:01 AM   #29 
  - I already am, and yes, I think more liberals should be.  PROUD DemocRAT   Feb-22-04 10:11 PM   #14 
  - Proud Democrat you reminded me of something (m)  Moonbeam_Starlight   Feb-22-04 10:24 PM   #17 
     - lmao  lcordero   Feb-22-04 10:55 PM   #18 
     - lol  PROUD DemocRAT   Feb-22-04 11:01 PM   #21 
  - I read the article and I'm just wondering....  D__S   Feb-22-04 11:37 PM   #23 
  - Same reason why the 9/11 conspiracies are filed away...  Columbia   Feb-23-04 12:12 AM   #24 
  - Yeah, really. Why was it dumped here?  Lori Price CLG   Feb-23-04 12:17 AM   #25 
     - If a thread has anything to do with firearms ownership  alwynsw   Feb-23-04 01:31 AM   #26 
        - LOLOL: 'The Gungeon.'  Lori Price CLG   Feb-23-04 01:41 AM   #27 
           - alwynsw is correct  lunabush   Feb-23-04 11:24 AM   #30 
              - Gun control advocates? Where?  Columbia   Feb-23-04 11:41 AM   #31 
              - Congrats  lunabush   Feb-23-04 11:58 AM   #32 
                 - Yeehaw!  Columbia   Feb-23-04 12:18 PM   #33 
                 - Where!?  jhfenton   Feb-23-04 12:49 PM   #36 
              - Lies!  FeebMaster   Feb-23-04 12:21 PM   #34 
                 - Shhhh  lunabush   Feb-23-04 12:25 PM   #35 
  - Organize First, arm later  happyslug   Feb-23-04 02:04 PM   #37 
  - The three points in 'overthrowing a tyrant' are good!  Lori Price CLG   Feb-24-04 03:56 PM   #39 
     - That is why the first is more important than the second  happyslug   Feb-26-04 01:42 PM   #40 
        - Roger Stone's 'Miami-Recount Riot' crew didn't care about MLK tactics...  Lori Price CLG   Feb-28-04 12:09 AM   #41 
        - MLK's methods would have worked.  happyslug   Mar-06-04 11:14 PM   #45 
        - 7.62x54 & 7.92 Mauser  solinvictus   Feb-29-04 09:55 PM   #42 
           - Good Weapons, so are the .303 British and 7mm Mauser.  happyslug   Mar-02-04 01:50 PM   #43 
              - Maslov's Hierarchy of Needs  happyslug   Mar-02-04 02:08 PM   #44 
              - Resupply  solinvictus   Mar-07-04 09:22 PM   #55 
                 - That why my first two types of Ammo were 5.56 and 7.62 NATO  happyslug   Mar-08-04 07:27 PM   #58 
  - Semper Paratus...  MrSandman   Feb-23-04 05:33 PM   #38 
  - People on the left should be armed only if...  slackmaster   Mar-07-04 08:20 AM   #46 
  - Wow! What a terrible piece of tripe!  MrBenchley   Mar-07-04 09:08 AM   #47 
  - ditto  iverglas   Mar-07-04 12:12 PM   #48 
  - What if  MrBenchley   Mar-07-04 12:30 PM   #49 
  - Furrow  jimsteuben   Mar-07-04 12:41 PM   #50 
  - Yeah, he's a typical assault weapon customer  MrBenchley   Mar-07-04 12:46 PM   #51 
  - I expect to see this kind of bigoted remark from the right  slackmaster   Mar-08-04 10:50 AM   #57 
  - ah, what a trenchant contribution  iverglas   Mar-07-04 01:52 PM   #52 
     - Damn funny how  MrBenchley   Mar-07-04 02:05 PM   #53 
     - I am against a revolving-door prison system  jimsteuben   Mar-07-04 08:39 PM   #54 
        - Gee, Jim, isn't it the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Mar-08-04 07:50 AM   #56 
           - Gee, Mr. B  jimsteuben   Mar-08-04 09:04 PM   #59 
              - Yup, Buford is definitely the gun lobby's pin-up boy  MrBenchley   Mar-09-04 07:36 AM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-04 12:35 PM   #61 
     - Welcome to the Gungeon, Lori  Romulus   Mar-11-04 12:39 PM   #62 
     - actually  iverglas   Mar-11-04 12:55 PM   #63 
     - Thank you, Romulus!!  Lori Price CLG   Mar-11-04 12:56 PM   #64 
     - Gee, rom....  MrBenchley   Mar-11-04 01:07 PM   #66 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-04 01:05 PM   #65 
  - I'm locking this thread  lunabush   Mar-11-04 01:13 PM   #67 
 

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