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23. Are you aware that criminals are constitutionally exempt from a gun registration requirement?

Haynes v. United States

Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968), was a United States Supreme Court decision interpreting the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution's self-incrimination clause. Haynes extended the Fifth Amendment protections elucidated in Marchetti v. United States, 390 U.S. 39, 57 (1968)

Background of the case

The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of certain types of firearms. Miles Edward Haynes was a convicted felon who was charged with failing to register a firearm under the Act. Haynes argued that, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.

Majority opinion

In 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration.<1><2> The National Firearm Act was amended after Haynes and the new registration provision was upheld in United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971).<3>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
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  -Don't want handguns registered? safeinOhio  Apr-25-11 01:54 PM   #0 
  - Who cares if the govt wants to take away your guns. People with guns never  valerief   Apr-25-11 01:56 PM   #1 
  - Who are our "true enemies"? (n/t)  spin   Apr-25-11 03:19 PM   #14 
  - Yowsa! They're coming for your guns, even as I write.  MineralMan   Apr-25-11 01:57 PM   #2 
  - Lost all mine  rl6214   Apr-25-11 03:03 PM   #10 
     - Yes, well, OK, then...  MineralMan   Apr-25-11 03:30 PM   #19 
        - You never fished for shark? NT  RSillsbee   Apr-25-11 04:59 PM   #27 
           - Actually, I did. I fished for sharks with a bow and arrow.  MineralMan   Apr-25-11 06:50 PM   #30 
              - Awesome! My vote for best-post-of-day. n/t  PavePusher   Apr-25-11 07:16 PM   #33 
                 - A guy doesn't get an opening like that every day, you know.  MineralMan   Apr-25-11 07:22 PM   #34 
                    - A good straight line is a thing to treasure. Well played, sir. n/t  PavePusher   Apr-25-11 07:24 PM   #35 
                    - You win  RSillsbee   Apr-25-11 08:12 PM   #36 
                       - Just funning you a little. What are the odds that you'd  MineralMan   Apr-26-11 08:09 AM   #38 
  - I'm ok with being registered, as long as my guns are not.  aikoaiko   Apr-25-11 02:01 PM   #3 
  - Oh, wait ... wasn't government allegedly for the 2nd amendment ... what happened???  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 02:04 PM   #4 
  - Somehow I am having a hard time figuring out how my concealed weapons permit ...  spin   Apr-25-11 03:50 PM   #21 
  - Duh - I've been arguing that for years with the CCW freaks  tularetom   Apr-25-11 02:06 PM   #5 
  - Perhaps that means that the people you've been conversing with aren't paranoid freaks at all,  petronius   Apr-25-11 03:06 PM   #11 
  - The fact is people don't have any choice.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-25-11 03:26 PM   #17 
  - Asking permission, exactly  YllwFvr   Apr-26-11 08:48 AM   #39 
  - I'm all for registering handguns and  safeinOhio   Apr-25-11 02:06 PM   #6 
  - Are you aware that criminals are constitutionally exempt from a gun registration requirement?  spin   Apr-25-11 04:02 PM   #23 
  - Link?  Glassunion   Apr-25-11 02:11 PM   #7 
  - Glassunion  Surf Fishing Guru   Apr-25-11 11:16 PM   #37 
  - Thank you for showing just how wrong one can be on this subject. Your bravery is to be applauded.  cleanhippie   Apr-25-11 02:19 PM   #8 
  - They can have the two handguns I've bought since getting my CHP  ileus   Apr-25-11 02:53 PM   #9 
  - Really?  Callisto32   Apr-25-11 03:15 PM   #12 
  - True, the government knows that there is an excellent possibility that I own a handgun ...  spin   Apr-25-11 03:18 PM   #13 
  - Texas does not require a list of calibers, types, or serial #s either. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-25-11 07:02 PM   #32 
  - In such a hypothetical situation, what would stop XYZ person from offering a single .22 caliber pist  AtheistCrusader   Apr-25-11 03:23 PM   #15 
  - This is why I don't have one.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-25-11 03:25 PM   #16 
  - Never got my CCW  gravity556   Apr-25-11 03:29 PM   #18 
  - " Am I the only person who sees a logic failure..."  PavePusher   Apr-25-11 04:01 PM   #22 
     - Sadly, it seems some people here actually advocate such action as you describe  gravity556   Apr-25-11 04:31 PM   #24 
        - This:  PavePusher   Apr-25-11 05:05 PM   #28 
  - Knowing someone owns guns is pretty far from knowing *what* they own.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-25-11 03:44 PM   #20 
  - After they search and take away  safeinOhio   Apr-25-11 04:55 PM   #25 
  - That's why we're trying to get Vermont carry nationwide NT  RSillsbee   Apr-25-11 04:57 PM   #26 
  - Just because  Smokewagon   Apr-25-11 06:13 PM   #29 
  - "I'm sorry.....  S_B_Jackson   Apr-25-11 06:58 PM   #31 
  - Then give them your  guardian   Apr-26-11 06:25 PM   #40 
  - LOL  S_B_Jackson   Apr-26-11 11:12 PM   #42 
  - Few if any states require information about guns in order to issue a CHL,  benEzra   Apr-26-11 10:06 PM   #41 
 

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