whoneedstickets
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Sun Apr-24-11 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
| 24. It is amazing how your scenarios spiral... |
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First its a car, now its someone in your home. Of course home intruders are a scary idea. A guy in your driveway snatching your car or stealing your GPS unit? Come on there Dirty Harry.
These guys were stealing cars, or stealing stuff out of them. This is petty property crime.
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| -Some guns being used to shoot burglars |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:23 PM |
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you do know that |
MyrnaLoy |
Apr-24-11 08:27 PM |
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You do know that you have no evidence to such. Yet there is a plethora |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:31 PM |
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Have you bothered to read the criticism of Lott? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:41 PM |
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The estimates of how many times firearms are used for self defense are all over the place ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 09:17 PM |
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Yes, the ubituity of these studies should tell you something.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:32 PM |
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Let's cut the lowest estimate of 108,000 DGUs a year and say |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:23 PM |
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Ok, you're on track. Now throw gun deaths due to ... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:27 PM |
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Suicide is an entirely separate issue ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:59 PM |
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Did you look up the stats? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:05 PM |
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Japan has very few firearms ... |
spin |
Apr-25-11 12:04 AM |
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What are some effective, nonlethal methods of defense? n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-26-11 08:30 AM |
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It does not matter where the balance is. |
Atypical Liberal |
Apr-25-11 09:55 AM |
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Rates of suicide are irrelevant to firearm ownership. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:28 PM |
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The only statistics I care about |
DWC |
Apr-25-11 07:03 AM |
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Yes I have. And they rely on false information to try and smear Lott's work. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:26 PM |
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Almost all of your stories will be with guns that are already illegal. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:32 PM |
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or Gary Kleck |
gejohnston |
Apr-24-11 09:30 PM |
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And for every "good shooting" story.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:34 PM |
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You do know that empirical statements don't become true merely by stating them emphatically? nt |
WatsonT |
Apr-26-11 09:22 AM |
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If you want to go that route |
Drale |
Apr-24-11 08:28 PM |
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Yeah, but SOME guns are used to kill children burglars! Oh, wait... n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-24-11 08:30 PM |
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Yeah, that VPC study is full of children being shot. Children shot in |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:32 PM |
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Some. Last year it was 225. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:37 PM |
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yeah what's a few hundred dead children here or there, we have rights to protect. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:40 PM |
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An eighteen year old gang banger is not a child... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:30 PM |
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Using deadly force to protect insured property. You think that's ethical? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:28 PM |
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+1 n/t |
Bonhomme Richard |
Apr-24-11 08:30 PM |
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People risking their lives over property. You think that is wise? |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:34 PM |
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No very unwise...of the owner. What if the theif had armed confederates? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:00 PM |
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But do you think people risking their lives over property is wise? You did not answer. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:32 PM |
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Yes, in many cases. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:35 PM |
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So your car is worth a human life? Really? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:38 PM |
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The car thieves apparently thought so, yes? |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:06 PM |
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So you're willing to be executioner for some hypothetical scenario.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:12 PM |
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"perhaps their socio-economic condition makes this calcuation rational" |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:43 PM |
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Right, And in the absence of backstory |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:48 PM |
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I never said I'd do it. |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:52 PM |
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We don't have a backstory or an epilogue.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:58 PM |
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No, only a small percentage of career criminals turn to murder |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 10:35 PM |
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An effective police force is needed.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:39 PM |
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Well, that's just good common sense |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 11:04 PM |
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There is a bright line between stuff and life |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:12 PM |
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The problem with wanting a single human life to be worth any amount of physical property... |
krispos42 |
Apr-25-11 09:52 PM |
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Just "stuff" that I use to make a living for my family. |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:25 PM |
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I'm sure Joey and Mikey are only going to steal a car once.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:41 PM |
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yeah, they must be human filth.. let's kill em.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:44 PM |
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Who said anything about kill? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:10 PM |
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Perhaps you should look up the definition of "execution" as it does not apply |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:36 PM |
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"Many who live deserve death, and many who die deserve life |
Drale |
Apr-24-11 09:19 PM |
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That is very true |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:48 PM |
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+1 |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:01 PM |
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It is entirely the criminals' decision. Some choose... poorly. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:39 PM |
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What if it's the only work truck of an independent skilled tradesman? |
MicaelS |
Apr-25-11 01:17 PM |
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A good chance you will spend more in time and maybe lawyer fees than the car is worth. n-t |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:10 PM |
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So an arsonist is pouring gasoline all around your insured |
virgogal |
Apr-24-11 08:36 PM |
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Apr-24-11 08:47 PM |
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So a monetary loss justifies killing a human being? You REALLY think that is ethical? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:54 PM |
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Yes |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 09:07 PM |
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It is amazing how your scenarios spiral... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:14 PM |
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Ok, fine |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 09:31 PM |
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Why not just tell them the police are on the way? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:38 PM |
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I will tell them the police are on the way |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 10:00 PM |
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So you leave the safety of your home, to confront a thief with a gun.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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No, |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 10:06 PM |
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blame it on Bush, so you're the type that thinks we're too hard on GW? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:09 PM |
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What would you do? You have yet to answer a direct question. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:35 PM |
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Why are you being an apologist for criminals? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:45 PM |
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yeah, lets shoot em! Criminals are animals. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:49 PM |
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Not my fault if criminals hold my life cheap. |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:12 PM |
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I often have to lend financial support to other family members |
sylvi |
Apr-24-11 09:28 PM |
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Absolutely I think it's ethical... |
MicaelS |
Apr-25-11 01:21 PM |
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Surely you can see the difference between the types of acts involved.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:57 PM |
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Arson of an occupied structure |
gravity556 |
Apr-25-11 08:10 AM |
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Apr-24-11 09:01 PM |
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Glad you've given this such deep ethical thought. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:16 PM |
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And this folks, is where CCW holders get a bad image! n-t |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:09 PM |
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Dang fuckin right. WTF is in your car worth shooting someone in the back -- pack of gum. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 10:46 PM |
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We don't claim that guy! Nt |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 11:45 PM |
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Apr-25-11 02:57 PM |
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Listen up...I'm insured |
Upton |
Apr-24-11 09:37 PM |
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Because it is STUFF! Simple, replaceable, material crap |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:41 PM |
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Because I don't want to shoot someone unless my life or another is in danger. Very simple.... |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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Someone invades my home.. |
Upton |
Apr-25-11 08:17 AM |
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I agree, but if I was pulling in the driveway and no one was home and the guy had my..... |
Logical |
Apr-25-11 09:08 AM |
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Shooting another person is a life changing experience ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:48 PM |
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It is absolutely ethical. |
Hangingon |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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Argument? evidence? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:05 PM |
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Does your insurance pay 100% replacement costs? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:38 PM |
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Wow your deductible and emotional distress is worth a human life.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:41 PM |
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I, as a law-abiding Citizen, am more important than a criminal. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:47 PM |
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Really? So do you have a level of personhood grading system? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:52 PM |
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Extrapolate from zero, much? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:14 PM |
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So their life is worth less? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:17 PM |
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Not at all. |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:37 PM |
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So, then |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-24-11 11:36 PM |
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yeah, because i don't think lethal violence is justified to protect |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:40 PM |
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Well, at least I can be sarcastic |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-25-11 05:46 AM |
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lethal force is justified |
NRA4EVR |
Apr-26-11 07:59 AM |
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A thief is a small child, if you allow him to misbehave with out |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:51 PM |
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Oh thanks for the teaching em a lesson. Shoot unarmed guy in the back to teach them a lesson. Sick! |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 10:18 PM |
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Who said anything about "Shoot unarmed guy in the back"? |
PavePusher |
Apr-26-11 08:36 AM |
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I believe that he is projecting. |
oneshooter |
Apr-26-11 09:49 AM |
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Yep, let's shoot someone stealing a pink flamingo off your lawn. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 10:44 PM |
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You are pathetic |
rl6214 |
Apr-25-11 03:02 PM |
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No, you are pathetic if you use a gun to shoot an unarmed car robber in back. |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 05:19 PM |
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He won't be stealing anymore cars. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:55 PM |
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That's why you shouldn't carry. He was breaking into car, not stealing it. If can't assess situation |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 08:20 PM |
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Breaking into/stealing is all the same. It's not his property. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 08:51 PM |
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Judge, Jury and Executioner -- you ain't. He was not a threat to the gun toter. |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 10:12 PM |
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You sure seem to make a lot of assumptions about criminals and legal gun owners. |
PavePusher |
Apr-26-11 08:38 AM |
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You've got that right. (Interesting thread). |
virgogal |
Apr-25-11 08:28 PM |
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