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Sun Apr-24-11 08:54 PM
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| 17. So a monetary loss justifies killing a human being? You REALLY think that is ethical? |
| -Some guns being used to shoot burglars |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:23 PM |
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you do know that |
MyrnaLoy |
Apr-24-11 08:27 PM |
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You do know that you have no evidence to such. Yet there is a plethora |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:31 PM |
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Have you bothered to read the criticism of Lott? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:41 PM |
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The estimates of how many times firearms are used for self defense are all over the place ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 09:17 PM |
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Yes, the ubituity of these studies should tell you something.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:32 PM |
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Let's cut the lowest estimate of 108,000 DGUs a year and say |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:23 PM |
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Ok, you're on track. Now throw gun deaths due to ... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:27 PM |
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Suicide is an entirely separate issue ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:59 PM |
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Did you look up the stats? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:05 PM |
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Japan has very few firearms ... |
spin |
Apr-25-11 12:04 AM |
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What are some effective, nonlethal methods of defense? n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-26-11 08:30 AM |
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It does not matter where the balance is. |
Atypical Liberal |
Apr-25-11 09:55 AM |
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Rates of suicide are irrelevant to firearm ownership. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:28 PM |
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The only statistics I care about |
DWC |
Apr-25-11 07:03 AM |
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Yes I have. And they rely on false information to try and smear Lott's work. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:26 PM |
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Almost all of your stories will be with guns that are already illegal. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:32 PM |
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or Gary Kleck |
gejohnston |
Apr-24-11 09:30 PM |
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And for every "good shooting" story.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:34 PM |
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You do know that empirical statements don't become true merely by stating them emphatically? nt |
WatsonT |
Apr-26-11 09:22 AM |
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If you want to go that route |
Drale |
Apr-24-11 08:28 PM |
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Yeah, but SOME guns are used to kill children burglars! Oh, wait... n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-24-11 08:30 PM |
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Yeah, that VPC study is full of children being shot. Children shot in |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:32 PM |
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Some. Last year it was 225. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:37 PM |
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yeah what's a few hundred dead children here or there, we have rights to protect. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:40 PM |
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An eighteen year old gang banger is not a child... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:30 PM |
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Using deadly force to protect insured property. You think that's ethical? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:28 PM |
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+1 n/t |
Bonhomme Richard |
Apr-24-11 08:30 PM |
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People risking their lives over property. You think that is wise? |
Bold Lib |
Apr-24-11 08:34 PM |
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No very unwise...of the owner. What if the theif had armed confederates? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:00 PM |
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But do you think people risking their lives over property is wise? You did not answer. |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:32 PM |
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Yes, in many cases. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-24-11 08:35 PM |
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So your car is worth a human life? Really? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:38 PM |
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The car thieves apparently thought so, yes? |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:06 PM |
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So you're willing to be executioner for some hypothetical scenario.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:12 PM |
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"perhaps their socio-economic condition makes this calcuation rational" |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:43 PM |
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Right, And in the absence of backstory |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:48 PM |
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I never said I'd do it. |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:52 PM |
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We don't have a backstory or an epilogue.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:58 PM |
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No, only a small percentage of career criminals turn to murder |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 10:35 PM |
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An effective police force is needed.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:39 PM |
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Well, that's just good common sense |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 11:04 PM |
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There is a bright line between stuff and life |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:12 PM |
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The problem with wanting a single human life to be worth any amount of physical property... |
krispos42 |
Apr-25-11 09:52 PM |
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Just "stuff" that I use to make a living for my family. |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:25 PM |
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I'm sure Joey and Mikey are only going to steal a car once.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:41 PM |
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yeah, they must be human filth.. let's kill em.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:44 PM |
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Who said anything about kill? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:10 PM |
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Perhaps you should look up the definition of "execution" as it does not apply |
Bold Lib |
Apr-25-11 05:36 PM |
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"Many who live deserve death, and many who die deserve life |
Drale |
Apr-24-11 09:19 PM |
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That is very true |
krispos42 |
Apr-24-11 09:48 PM |
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+1 |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:01 PM |
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It is entirely the criminals' decision. Some choose... poorly. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:39 PM |
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What if it's the only work truck of an independent skilled tradesman? |
MicaelS |
Apr-25-11 01:17 PM |
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A good chance you will spend more in time and maybe lawyer fees than the car is worth. n-t |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:10 PM |
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So an arsonist is pouring gasoline all around your insured |
virgogal |
Apr-24-11 08:36 PM |
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Apr-24-11 08:47 PM |
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So a monetary loss justifies killing a human being? You REALLY think that is ethical? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:54 PM |
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Yes |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 09:07 PM |
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It is amazing how your scenarios spiral... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:14 PM |
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Ok, fine |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 09:31 PM |
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Why not just tell them the police are on the way? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:38 PM |
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I will tell them the police are on the way |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 10:00 PM |
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So you leave the safety of your home, to confront a thief with a gun.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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No, |
Travis_0004 |
Apr-24-11 10:06 PM |
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blame it on Bush, so you're the type that thinks we're too hard on GW? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:09 PM |
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What would you do? You have yet to answer a direct question. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:35 PM |
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Why are you being an apologist for criminals? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:45 PM |
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yeah, lets shoot em! Criminals are animals. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:49 PM |
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Not my fault if criminals hold my life cheap. |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:12 PM |
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I often have to lend financial support to other family members |
sylvi |
Apr-24-11 09:28 PM |
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Absolutely I think it's ethical... |
MicaelS |
Apr-25-11 01:21 PM |
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Surely you can see the difference between the types of acts involved.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 08:57 PM |
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Arson of an occupied structure |
gravity556 |
Apr-25-11 08:10 AM |
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Apr-24-11 09:01 PM |
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Glad you've given this such deep ethical thought. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:16 PM |
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And this folks, is where CCW holders get a bad image! n-t |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:09 PM |
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Dang fuckin right. WTF is in your car worth shooting someone in the back -- pack of gum. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 10:46 PM |
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We don't claim that guy! Nt |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 11:45 PM |
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Apr-25-11 02:57 PM |
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Listen up...I'm insured |
Upton |
Apr-24-11 09:37 PM |
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Because it is STUFF! Simple, replaceable, material crap |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 09:41 PM |
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Because I don't want to shoot someone unless my life or another is in danger. Very simple.... |
Logical |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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Someone invades my home.. |
Upton |
Apr-25-11 08:17 AM |
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I agree, but if I was pulling in the driveway and no one was home and the guy had my..... |
Logical |
Apr-25-11 09:08 AM |
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Shooting another person is a life changing experience ... |
spin |
Apr-24-11 10:48 PM |
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It is absolutely ethical. |
Hangingon |
Apr-24-11 10:04 PM |
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Argument? evidence? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:05 PM |
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Does your insurance pay 100% replacement costs? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:38 PM |
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Wow your deductible and emotional distress is worth a human life.. |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:41 PM |
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I, as a law-abiding Citizen, am more important than a criminal. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 10:47 PM |
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Really? So do you have a level of personhood grading system? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 10:52 PM |
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Extrapolate from zero, much? |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:14 PM |
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So their life is worth less? |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:17 PM |
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Not at all. |
PavePusher |
Apr-24-11 11:37 PM |
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So, then |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-24-11 11:36 PM |
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yeah, because i don't think lethal violence is justified to protect |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-24-11 11:40 PM |
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Well, at least I can be sarcastic |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-25-11 05:46 AM |
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lethal force is justified |
NRA4EVR |
Apr-26-11 07:59 AM |
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A thief is a small child, if you allow him to misbehave with out |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:51 PM |
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Oh thanks for the teaching em a lesson. Shoot unarmed guy in the back to teach them a lesson. Sick! |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 10:18 PM |
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Who said anything about "Shoot unarmed guy in the back"? |
PavePusher |
Apr-26-11 08:36 AM |
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I believe that he is projecting. |
oneshooter |
Apr-26-11 09:49 AM |
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Yep, let's shoot someone stealing a pink flamingo off your lawn. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 10:44 PM |
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You are pathetic |
rl6214 |
Apr-25-11 03:02 PM |
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No, you are pathetic if you use a gun to shoot an unarmed car robber in back. |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 05:19 PM |
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He won't be stealing anymore cars. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 06:55 PM |
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That's why you shouldn't carry. He was breaking into car, not stealing it. If can't assess situation |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 08:20 PM |
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Breaking into/stealing is all the same. It's not his property. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-25-11 08:51 PM |
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Judge, Jury and Executioner -- you ain't. He was not a threat to the gun toter. |
Hoyt |
Apr-25-11 10:12 PM |
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You sure seem to make a lot of assumptions about criminals and legal gun owners. |
PavePusher |
Apr-26-11 08:38 AM |
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You've got that right. (Interesting thread). |
virgogal |
Apr-25-11 08:28 PM |
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