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Sun Apr-24-11 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #156 |
| 161. Yes, they are unjust. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 10:11 PM by Straw Man
And were they proposed by arrogant ideologues? Yes. I don't think you will find many Brits describing their government is tyrannical. Oh yes, I'm sure they're all tickled pink with the Thatcher-Lite policies of the last 15 years. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/oct/27/project-... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-lai... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/06/imm... I have many friends and family there and none of them oppose current gun legislation. I would suggest that that's a function of the social circles that you move in. |
| -Man flashes gun at school, arrested (drunk CCW permit holder) |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 09:16 AM |
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2A has no restrictions on where to take guns or sobriety of gun owner nt |
msongs |
Apr-23-11 09:19 AM |
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Yup - the Holy 2A is silent on these issues - this moran was a victim of anti-gun bigotry!!111 |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 09:26 AM |
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Apr-23-11 07:52 PM |
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There you have it: " We can pack loaded handguns while we are loaded with booze" anytime. nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-25-11 02:24 AM |
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Someone broke the law and they will get punished |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 09:20 AM |
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but he won't be charged with a felony cuz he's got a permit |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 09:27 AM |
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His CPL is being revoked either way |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 09:32 AM |
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"Normally bringing weapons onto school property is a felony." |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 09:40 AM |
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Why? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 09:41 AM |
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Would that change have a demonstrable effect on the crime rate? |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 10:05 AM |
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Why? - did you read the OP? - the moran would now be felon and would not be able to own a gun |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:21 AM |
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That is not evidence that this change would produce a demonstrable effect of crime |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 10:26 AM |
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Again - if he was charged and convicted of a felony, he would never own a gun again |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:31 AM |
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Where is the demonstrable evidence that it will cause a decrease in crime? |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 10:42 AM |
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dumb response - felons without guns will not commit other gun crimes |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:52 AM |
#28 |
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Why can't you demonstrate that your policy recommendations will work? |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 11:01 AM |
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If he didn't have a permit, he would have been charged with a felony |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 11:19 AM |
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Ok, now provide evidence that doing this would decrease the crime rate n/t |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 11:31 AM |
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I just did - give it up |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 11:38 AM |
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No you didn't |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 11:42 AM |
#42 |
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Yes I did |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 11:56 AM |
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you are kidding, right?????? Because it is reprehensible! |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 11:54 AM |
#43 |
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Than you should have no problem demonstrating that it will have some negative results |
Taitertots |
Apr-23-11 12:21 PM |
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How can one be expected to provide demonstrable evidence of |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 01:18 PM |
#57 |
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So felons never commit gun violence? It is impossible for them to get guns? nt |
hack89 |
Apr-23-11 04:36 PM |
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I just wanted to see |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 10:54 AM |
#29 |
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Permit holders don't get a pass. They lose their permits |
Simon Snath |
Apr-23-11 05:32 PM |
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Its a felony here. nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-23-11 07:56 PM |
#121 |
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Prove it. nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 08:02 PM |
#124 |
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Drive by, runs away after not proving a thing. Doubt it knows were it's at. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 08:38 PM |
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There are still other charges that apply |
Euromutt |
Apr-23-11 08:20 PM |
#126 |
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Not sure how the law is written in that state |
GKirk |
Apr-23-11 09:49 AM |
#8 |
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what would the felony be for? |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 10:32 AM |
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Carrying a gun on school property |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:38 AM |
#22 |
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did you bother to look and see if that is a violation of law where he lives |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 10:39 AM |
#23 |
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Read the OP and learn something |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:43 AM |
#26 |
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they didn't arrest him because he has a CHL and it was legal to carry at the school |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 10:58 AM |
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Legal in Texas, just can't go into buildings. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 08:39 PM |
#128 |
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Well let's see...where do I start? |
GKirk |
Apr-23-11 01:29 PM |
#60 |
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Who cares what the law says? This SOB had two guns, was drunk and a mental case. Enough for me. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 12:31 PM |
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You really don't care what the law says? Sounds like you believe |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 01:17 PM |
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"Vigilante Justice" -- What about you toters who have been preparing to shoot someone for years? |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 02:25 PM |
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Your own words advocate for vigilante justice. |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 04:39 PM |
#89 |
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Like gun toters don't walk out of their house prepared to commit vigilante justice. At least, I'd |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 04:46 PM |
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How is self defense vigilante justice? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 04:51 PM |
#95 |
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Because they are masters of supercilious condescension in defense |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 01:44 PM |
#64 |
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Some more supercilious condescension. |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 02:26 PM |
#73 |
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Nope. Have them for safety. Coast Guard regulations. No 2A there |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 05:17 PM |
#101 |
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Foghorn Leghorn says... |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 11:42 PM |
#135 |
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What willingness? |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 12:43 PM |
#146 |
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So you have changed yourself once again? |
oneshooter |
Apr-24-11 01:59 PM |
#147 |
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In a pinch means in extreme circumstances |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 02:33 PM |
#148 |
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It's still "willingness." |
Straw Man |
Apr-24-11 02:51 PM |
#151 |
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No of course it isn't morally preferable |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 04:33 PM |
#152 |
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Youll find it in the fact |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 05:03 PM |
#153 |
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I think it's more about probabilities. |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 05:18 PM |
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That's my risk assessment |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 06:11 PM |
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So, do you think that the UK laws are unjust? |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 06:40 PM |
#156 |
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Yes, I think they are unjust. |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 07:49 PM |
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Surveillance cameras may not be nice, but they don't kill |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-25-11 09:59 AM |
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I guess this is where we differ |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-25-11 10:44 AM |
#168 |
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Yes, they are unjust. |
Straw Man |
Apr-24-11 10:09 PM |
#161 |
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You think this is only in the UK? |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-25-11 09:27 AM |
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No, but it's more pervasive there... |
Straw Man |
Apr-25-11 04:14 PM |
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You got facts |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 05:22 PM |
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Nope. Just personal observation |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 02:43 PM |
#149 |
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holy 2a? |
rl6214 |
Apr-23-11 07:56 PM |
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You got it. When in Rome... |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-24-11 02:44 PM |
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Who's trying "to make excuses"? |
Euromutt |
Apr-23-11 08:53 PM |
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More proof that we need to include the mental histories in issuing these permits to drunks, and |
right2bfree |
Apr-25-11 02:29 AM |
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He absolutely should be charged |
Simon Snath |
Apr-23-11 05:36 PM |
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yup |
barbtries |
Apr-23-11 09:51 AM |
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Apr-23-11 09:57 AM |
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What's typical about it? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 09:59 AM |
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more irresponsible behavior on the part of a gun owner with no consequences |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 10:33 AM |
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Why do you say there were no consequences? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 10:58 AM |
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"Barber was not charged with a felony because he has a concealed weapons permit" |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 11:17 AM |
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So you wanted him charged |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 11:57 AM |
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It's a stupid law - it assumes that CCW permit holders are more "law abiding" than the rest of us |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 12:06 PM |
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So you wanted him charged |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 11:57 AM |
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being drunk, brandishing a weapon on school property. |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 12:03 PM |
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Why should it be a felony? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 12:24 PM |
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drunk with a gun on school property - you probably have a point |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 01:44 PM |
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I'll ask again |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 03:02 PM |
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drunk on school grounds brandishing a weapon |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 03:47 PM |
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LOL! |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 03:55 PM |
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Sounds like you don't care to follow the law. |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 01:19 PM |
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what a load . . . |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 01:43 PM |
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A load? |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 02:12 PM |
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that's good for a year in jail - that is a start |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 03:54 PM |
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Ever hear of "misdemeanors"? |
Euromutt |
Apr-23-11 09:00 PM |
#130 |
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more irresponsible behavior on the part of a gun owner with no consequences |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 10:33 AM |
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Even though the guy started the fight, it's possible the other guy became violent and irrational |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 10:37 AM |
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Advocating brandishing of concealed weapons is intimidation and a crime & you made my point |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 10:49 AM |
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Yet another baseless accusation. nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 10:57 AM |
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If brandishing is illegal then more people will be shot |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 11:00 AM |
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horseshit - brandishing is a crime |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 11:26 AM |
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except for where brandishing to scare off an attacker is legal. |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 05:11 PM |
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Brandishing is assault with a deadly weapon and a felony |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 01:51 PM |
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Missed again. |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 03:13 PM |
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Thank you. What would I do without you to keep me honest? |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 05:29 PM |
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What's your point? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 05:32 PM |
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What's your point? I was responding to your excellent correction |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 05:49 PM |
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Back atcha. |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 06:12 PM |
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" Brandishing" is not a crime in Texas |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 01:30 PM |
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Jpak, delcared that anyone who brandishes for any reason should be charged with a felony |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 05:19 PM |
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brandishing = threatening with a deadly weapon = felony -> terrorists go directly to jail |
jpak |
Apr-24-11 08:33 AM |
#141 |
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Brandishing is not a federal crime |
YllwFvr |
Apr-23-11 02:04 PM |
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so this behavior is acceptable to you . . . |
DrDan |
Apr-23-11 11:21 AM |
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innocent until proven guilty. Now post a link and a quote that shows that the guy with the gun |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 05:17 PM |
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Bet you were a hall monitor |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 01:49 PM |
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It's possible, but not likely. Too bad the innocent guy didn't make the drunk eat his gun. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 04:16 PM |
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Assumes facts not in evidence. |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 04:27 PM |
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Yep, I'm bigoted against a drunk, toting 2 guns on school property, intimidating an innocent person. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 04:43 PM |
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Assumes facts not in evidence |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 04:52 PM |
#96 |
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Because your boy was drunk, packing, an asshole, showing his ass and weapon. Read the account. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 07:36 PM |
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Soooo, |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 08:01 PM |
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Might have happened that way. I'm betting drunk-two-guns was fault. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 10:32 PM |
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I think |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 11:46 AM |
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Yelm the town of weirdos, I wounder if he is a Ramthian too |
bahrbearian |
Apr-23-11 10:06 AM |
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A cop in Kansas city Kansas was drunk n a bar off duty and shot someone..... |
Logical |
Apr-23-11 10:11 AM |
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Apr-23-11 10:30 AM |
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Who wishes someone was shot? This SOB did plenty wrong. And it is hardly worst on CCW. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 12:32 PM |
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Nope |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 01:19 PM |
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Who can really blame the guy for carrying his gun there? It seems to be a dangerous place: |
struggle4progress |
Apr-23-11 10:42 AM |
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When you carry, you try to carry everywhere |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 11:05 AM |
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OMG how naked he would have felt, |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 01:59 PM |
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"gun toters" sounds like a bigoted term |
lawodevolution |
Apr-23-11 05:08 PM |
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No I understood perfectly well the first time. |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 05:37 PM |
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I agree completely. Besides the serious stuff, I got a good laugh out of it too. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 07:39 PM |
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Toters, packers (not the Green Bay Packers) |
rl6214 |
Apr-24-11 07:57 PM |
#158 |
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You want censor ordinary words now? Sorry, 1A trumps 2A |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-25-11 12:14 PM |
#169 |
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Not all CCW Permitees carry all the time |
Simon Snath |
Apr-23-11 05:41 PM |
#111 |
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Look what you missed. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-23-11 12:06 PM |
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Trying to keep count of all law-abiding gun toters doing crud like this -- but becoming epidemic. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 12:29 PM |
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is your head exploding? |
aikoaiko |
Apr-23-11 01:06 PM |
#55 |
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The Anslinger-Wertheim school of gun control relies heavily on strawmen arguments. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-23-11 02:00 PM |
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Many toters have guns for every mood and every occasion |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 02:05 PM |
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How does one accessorize a flare gun? |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 03:57 PM |
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With hyperbole and sophistry. nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 04:04 PM |
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With a lot of flare, honey |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-23-11 05:39 PM |
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CAR stock , over and under rail , holographic red dot scope |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-26-11 10:47 AM |
#172 |
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You're going to ruin that string of pearls if you don't let up. |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 03:27 PM |
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Toting two guns on school ground, drunk (driving), disorderly conduct, felony reckless conduct. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 04:31 PM |
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Again with the vigilantism. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 04:49 PM |
#93 |
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No answer yet. |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 04:49 PM |
#94 |
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Jeeez, who cares whether it is a felony, gross felony or he's just a gun carrying jerk? |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 12:41 AM |
#139 |
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Sounds like sour grapes to me. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-24-11 09:29 AM |
#142 |
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Selective response. |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 10:51 AM |
#143 |
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Did you read the cites to Washington state law? |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 04:00 PM |
#83 |
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I'm sure LE or DA could come up with a list of charges that would take this toter off the streets. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 04:39 PM |
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Not felonies, though, unless they falsified evidence. |
Straw Man |
Apr-23-11 05:00 PM |
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Wouldn't falsify evidence. But wouldn't forget, we are talking of drunk with two guns and attitude. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 10:47 PM |
#134 |
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I would suggest institutional perjury as a strategy |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-25-11 06:50 AM |
#165 |
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You're sure the "authorities" |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 05:19 PM |
#102 |
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Nope. Need to throw the book at em. Teach some of you carriers a lesson. |
Hoyt |
Apr-23-11 10:34 PM |
#133 |
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I don't need any lessons, thank you. |
Straw Man |
Apr-24-11 12:09 AM |
#136 |
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Well, you are one of few. Too many of these guys are defending drunk carrying two concealed weapons. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 12:35 AM |
#137 |
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"Well, you are one of few." |
rl6214 |
Apr-24-11 08:17 PM |
#159 |
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Yet another |
rrneck |
Apr-24-11 11:49 AM |
#145 |
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Again with the vigilante talk. n/t |
oneshooter |
Apr-23-11 06:25 PM |
#114 |
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Wow, what great logic that is. Keeping track of the bad cops also? n-t |
Logical |
Apr-23-11 08:02 PM |
#123 |
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Fuuny, but if I hit this drunk gunner with a sap, it would be a felony. Go figure! nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-25-11 02:27 AM |
#163 |
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Wow, you found one. |
krispos42 |
Apr-23-11 02:48 PM |
#74 |
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I'll do my best! |
jpak |
Apr-23-11 02:51 PM |
#75 |
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I'm sure you will. Besides, win or lose, it's for a good cause. |
krispos42 |
Apr-23-11 09:45 PM |
#131 |
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Apr-23-11 07:51 PM |
#117 |
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Typical right wing gun owner. Drunk with lots of guns, nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-23-11 07:56 PM |
#119 |
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What makes you think he was a conservative? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-23-11 08:03 PM |
#125 |
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You're right. He might be a liberal drunk, with two guns and a bad attitude. |
Hoyt |
Apr-24-11 12:37 AM |
#138 |
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Bullshit |
rl6214 |
Apr-24-11 08:18 PM |
#160 |
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Your bigotry.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-25-11 12:20 PM |
#170 |
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Very rare occurrence. |
Atypical Liberal |
Apr-24-11 08:29 AM |
#140 |
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