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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #72
89.  Your own words advocate for vigilante justice.
"Who cares what the law says? This SOB had two guns, was drunk and a mental case. Enough for me."

It may be enough for you, but it is NOT what the law says.

What you want is above and beyond what the law allows. Thus "Vigilante Justice".

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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  -Man flashes gun at school, arrested (drunk CCW permit holder) jpak  Apr-23-11 09:16 AM   #0 
  - 2A has no restrictions on where to take guns or sobriety of gun owner nt  msongs   Apr-23-11 09:19 AM   #1 
  - Yup - the Holy 2A is silent on these issues - this moran was a victim of anti-gun bigotry!!111  jpak   Apr-23-11 09:26 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 07:52 PM   #118 
  - There you have it: " We can pack loaded handguns while we are loaded with booze" anytime. nt  right2bfree   Apr-25-11 02:24 AM   #162 
  - Someone broke the law and they will get punished  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 09:20 AM   #2 
  - but he won't be charged with a felony cuz he's got a permit  jpak   Apr-23-11 09:27 AM   #4 
     - His CPL is being revoked either way  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 09:32 AM   #5 
     - "Normally bringing weapons onto school property is a felony."  jpak   Apr-23-11 09:40 AM   #6 
        - Why? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 09:41 AM   #7 
        - Would that change have a demonstrable effect on the crime rate?  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 10:05 AM   #12 
        - Why? - did you read the OP? - the moran would now be felon and would not be able to own a gun  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:21 AM   #15 
        - That is not evidence that this change would produce a demonstrable effect of crime  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 10:26 AM   #16 
        - Again - if he was charged and convicted of a felony, he would never own a gun again  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:31 AM   #18 
           - Where is the demonstrable evidence that it will cause a decrease in crime?  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 10:42 AM   #24 
           - dumb response - felons without guns will not commit other gun crimes  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:52 AM   #28 
           - Why can't you demonstrate that your policy recommendations will work?  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 11:01 AM   #34 
              - If he didn't have a permit, he would have been charged with a felony  jpak   Apr-23-11 11:19 AM   #37 
                 - Ok, now provide evidence that doing this would decrease the crime rate n/t  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 11:31 AM   #40 
                    - I just did - give it up  jpak   Apr-23-11 11:38 AM   #41 
                       - No you didn't  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 11:42 AM   #42 
                          - Yes I did  jpak   Apr-23-11 11:56 AM   #44 
           - you are kidding, right?????? Because it is reprehensible!  DrDan   Apr-23-11 11:54 AM   #43 
           - Than you should have no problem demonstrating that it will have some negative results  Taitertots   Apr-23-11 12:21 PM   #50 
           - How can one be expected to provide demonstrable evidence of  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 01:18 PM   #57 
           - So felons never commit gun violence? It is impossible for them to get guns? nt  hack89   Apr-23-11 04:36 PM   #88 
        - I just wanted to see  rrneck   Apr-23-11 10:54 AM   #29 
        - Permit holders don't get a pass. They lose their permits  Simon Snath   Apr-23-11 05:32 PM   #106 
        - Its a felony here. nt  right2bfree   Apr-23-11 07:56 PM   #121 
           - Prove it. nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 08:02 PM   #124 
              - Drive by, runs away after not proving a thing. Doubt it knows were it's at. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 08:38 PM   #127 
     - There are still other charges that apply  Euromutt   Apr-23-11 08:20 PM   #126 
  - Not sure how the law is written in that state  GKirk   Apr-23-11 09:49 AM   #8 
  - what would the felony be for?  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 10:32 AM   #19 
  - Carrying a gun on school property  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:38 AM   #22 
  - did you bother to look and see if that is a violation of law where he lives  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 10:39 AM   #23 
  - Read the OP and learn something  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:43 AM   #26 
     - they didn't arrest him because he has a CHL and it was legal to carry at the school  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 10:58 AM   #32 
  - Legal in Texas, just can't go into buildings. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 08:39 PM   #128 
  - Well let's see...where do I start?  GKirk   Apr-23-11 01:29 PM   #60 
  - Who cares what the law says? This SOB had two guns, was drunk and a mental case. Enough for me.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 12:31 PM   #53 
  - You really don't care what the law says? Sounds like you believe  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 01:17 PM   #56 
  - "Vigilante Justice" -- What about you toters who have been preparing to shoot someone for years?  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 02:25 PM   #72 
     - Your own words advocate for vigilante justice.  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 04:39 PM   #89 
        - Like gun toters don't walk out of their house prepared to commit vigilante justice. At least, I'd  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 04:46 PM   #92 
           - How is self defense vigilante justice? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 04:51 PM   #95 
  - Because they are masters of supercilious condescension in defense  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 01:44 PM   #64 
  - Some more supercilious condescension.  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 02:26 PM   #73 
  - Nope. Have them for safety. Coast Guard regulations. No 2A there  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 05:17 PM   #101 
     - Foghorn Leghorn says...  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 11:42 PM   #135 
        - What willingness?  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 12:43 PM   #146 
           - So you have changed yourself once again?  oneshooter   Apr-24-11 01:59 PM   #147 
              - In a pinch means in extreme circumstances  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 02:33 PM   #148 
                 - It's still "willingness."  Straw Man   Apr-24-11 02:51 PM   #151 
                    - No of course it isn't morally preferable  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 04:33 PM   #152 
                       - Youll find it in the fact  rrneck   Apr-24-11 05:03 PM   #153 
                          - I think it's more about probabilities.  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 05:18 PM   #154 
                             - That's my risk assessment  rrneck   Apr-24-11 06:11 PM   #155 
                                - So, do you think that the UK laws are unjust?  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 06:40 PM   #156 
                                   - Yes, I think they are unjust.  rrneck   Apr-24-11 07:49 PM   #157 
                                   - Surveillance cameras may not be nice, but they don't kill  Starboard Tack   Apr-25-11 09:59 AM   #167 
                                   - I guess this is where we differ  Starboard Tack   Apr-25-11 10:44 AM   #168 
                                   - Yes, they are unjust.  Straw Man   Apr-24-11 10:09 PM   #161 
                                      - You think this is only in the UK?  Starboard Tack   Apr-25-11 09:27 AM   #166 
                                         - No, but it's more pervasive there...  Straw Man   Apr-25-11 04:14 PM   #171 
  - You got facts  rrneck   Apr-23-11 05:22 PM   #104 
  - Nope. Just personal observation  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 02:43 PM   #149 
  - holy 2a?  rl6214   Apr-23-11 07:56 PM   #120 
     - You got it. When in Rome...  Starboard Tack   Apr-24-11 02:44 PM   #150 
  - Who's trying "to make excuses"?  Euromutt   Apr-23-11 08:53 PM   #129 
  - More proof that we need to include the mental histories in issuing these permits to drunks, and  right2bfree   Apr-25-11 02:29 AM   #164 
  - He absolutely should be charged  Simon Snath   Apr-23-11 05:36 PM   #108 
  - yup  barbtries   Apr-23-11 09:51 AM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 09:57 AM   #10 
  - What's typical about it? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 09:59 AM   #11 
     - more irresponsible behavior on the part of a gun owner with no consequences  DrDan   Apr-23-11 10:33 AM   # 
     - Why do you say there were no consequences? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 10:58 AM   #31 
        - "Barber was not charged with a felony because he has a concealed weapons permit"  DrDan   Apr-23-11 11:17 AM   #36 
           - So you wanted him charged  rrneck   Apr-23-11 11:57 AM   #45 
           - It's a stupid law - it assumes that CCW permit holders are more "law abiding" than the rest of us  jpak   Apr-23-11 12:06 PM   #48 
           - So you wanted him charged  rrneck   Apr-23-11 11:57 AM   #46 
           - being drunk, brandishing a weapon on school property.  DrDan   Apr-23-11 12:03 PM   #47 
              - Why should it be a felony? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 12:24 PM   #51 
              - drunk with a gun on school property - you probably have a point  DrDan   Apr-23-11 01:44 PM   #63 
                 - I'll ask again  rrneck   Apr-23-11 03:02 PM   #76 
                    - drunk on school grounds brandishing a weapon  DrDan   Apr-23-11 03:47 PM   #79 
                       - LOL!  rrneck   Apr-23-11 03:55 PM   #81 
              - Sounds like you don't care to follow the law.  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 01:19 PM   #59 
                 - what a load . . .  DrDan   Apr-23-11 01:43 PM   #62 
                    - A load?  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 02:12 PM   #71 
                       - that's good for a year in jail - that is a start  DrDan   Apr-23-11 03:54 PM   #80 
           - Ever hear of "misdemeanors"?  Euromutt   Apr-23-11 09:00 PM   #130 
     - more irresponsible behavior on the part of a gun owner with no consequences  DrDan   Apr-23-11 10:33 AM   #20 
        - Even though the guy started the fight, it's possible the other guy became violent and irrational  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 10:37 AM   #21 
           - Advocating brandishing of concealed weapons is intimidation and a crime & you made my point  jpak   Apr-23-11 10:49 AM   #27 
           - Yet another baseless accusation. nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 10:57 AM   #30 
           - If brandishing is illegal then more people will be shot  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 11:00 AM   #33 
           - horseshit - brandishing is a crime  jpak   Apr-23-11 11:26 AM   #39 
           - except for where brandishing to scare off an attacker is legal.  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 05:11 PM   #99 
           - Brandishing is assault with a deadly weapon and a felony  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 01:51 PM   #66 
              - Missed again.  rrneck   Apr-23-11 03:13 PM   #77 
                 - Thank you. What would I do without you to keep me honest?  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 05:29 PM   #105 
                    - What's your point? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 05:32 PM   #107 
                       - What's your point? I was responding to your excellent correction  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 05:49 PM   #112 
                          - Back atcha.  rrneck   Apr-23-11 06:12 PM   #113 
           - " Brandishing" is not a crime in Texas  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 01:30 PM   #61 
           - Jpak, delcared that anyone who brandishes for any reason should be charged with a felony  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 05:19 PM   #103 
              - brandishing = threatening with a deadly weapon = felony -> terrorists go directly to jail  jpak   Apr-24-11 08:33 AM   #141 
           - Brandishing is not a federal crime  YllwFvr   Apr-23-11 02:04 PM   #69 
           - so this behavior is acceptable to you . . .  DrDan   Apr-23-11 11:21 AM   #38 
           - innocent until proven guilty. Now post a link and a quote that shows that the guy with the gun  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 05:17 PM   #100 
           - Bet you were a hall monitor  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 01:49 PM   #65 
           - It's possible, but not likely. Too bad the innocent guy didn't make the drunk eat his gun.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 04:16 PM   #85 
              - Assumes facts not in evidence.  rrneck   Apr-23-11 04:27 PM   #86 
                 - Yep, I'm bigoted against a drunk, toting 2 guns on school property, intimidating an innocent person.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 04:43 PM   #91 
                    - Assumes facts not in evidence  rrneck   Apr-23-11 04:52 PM   #96 
                       - Because your boy was drunk, packing, an asshole, showing his ass and weapon. Read the account.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 07:36 PM   #115 
                          - Soooo,  rrneck   Apr-23-11 08:01 PM   #122 
                             - Might have happened that way. I'm betting drunk-two-guns was fault.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 10:32 PM   #132 
                                - I think  rrneck   Apr-24-11 11:46 AM   #144 
  - Yelm the town of weirdos, I wounder if he is a Ramthian too  bahrbearian   Apr-23-11 10:06 AM   #13 
  - A cop in Kansas city Kansas was drunk n a bar off duty and shot someone.....  Logical   Apr-23-11 10:11 AM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 10:30 AM   #17 
  - Who wishes someone was shot? This SOB did plenty wrong. And it is hardly worst on CCW.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 12:32 PM   #54 
  - Nope  jpak   Apr-23-11 01:19 PM   #58 
  - Who can really blame the guy for carrying his gun there? It seems to be a dangerous place:  struggle4progress   Apr-23-11 10:42 AM   #25 
  - When you carry, you try to carry everywhere  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 11:05 AM   #35 
     - OMG how naked he would have felt,  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 01:59 PM   #67 
     - "gun toters" sounds like a bigoted term  lawodevolution   Apr-23-11 05:08 PM   #98 
        - No I understood perfectly well the first time.  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 05:37 PM   #109 
           - I agree completely. Besides the serious stuff, I got a good laugh out of it too.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 07:39 PM   #116 
           - Toters, packers (not the Green Bay Packers)  rl6214   Apr-24-11 07:57 PM   #158 
              - You want censor ordinary words now? Sorry, 1A trumps 2A  Starboard Tack   Apr-25-11 12:14 PM   #169 
     - Not all CCW Permitees carry all the time  Simon Snath   Apr-23-11 05:41 PM   #111 
  - Look what you missed.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-23-11 12:06 PM   #49 
  - Trying to keep count of all law-abiding gun toters doing crud like this -- but becoming epidemic.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 12:29 PM   #52 
  - is your head exploding?  aikoaiko   Apr-23-11 01:06 PM   #55 
  - The Anslinger-Wertheim school of gun control relies heavily on strawmen arguments.  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-23-11 02:00 PM   #68 
  - Many toters have guns for every mood and every occasion  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 02:05 PM   #70 
  - How does one accessorize a flare gun?  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 03:57 PM   #82 
     - With hyperbole and sophistry. nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 04:04 PM   #84 
     - With a lot of flare, honey  Starboard Tack   Apr-23-11 05:39 PM   #110 
     - CAR stock , over and under rail , holographic red dot scope  Katya Mullethov   Apr-26-11 10:47 AM   #172 
  - You're going to ruin that string of pearls if you don't let up.  rrneck   Apr-23-11 03:27 PM   #78 
  - Toting two guns on school ground, drunk (driving), disorderly conduct, felony reckless conduct.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 04:31 PM   #87 
     - Again with the vigilantism. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 04:49 PM   #93 
     - No answer yet.  rrneck   Apr-23-11 04:49 PM   #94 
        - Jeeez, who cares whether it is a felony, gross felony or he's just a gun carrying jerk?  Hoyt   Apr-24-11 12:41 AM   #139 
           - Sounds like sour grapes to me. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-24-11 09:29 AM   #142 
           - Selective response.  rrneck   Apr-24-11 10:51 AM   #143 
  - Did you read the cites to Washington state law?  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 04:00 PM   #83 
  - I'm sure LE or DA could come up with a list of charges that would take this toter off the streets.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 04:39 PM   #90 
     - Not felonies, though, unless they falsified evidence.  Straw Man   Apr-23-11 05:00 PM   #97 
     - Wouldn't falsify evidence. But wouldn't forget, we are talking of drunk with two guns and attitude.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 10:47 PM   #134 
        - I would suggest institutional perjury as a strategy  Katya Mullethov   Apr-25-11 06:50 AM   #165 
     - You're sure the "authorities"  rrneck   Apr-23-11 05:19 PM   #102 
     - Nope. Need to throw the book at em. Teach some of you carriers a lesson.  Hoyt   Apr-23-11 10:34 PM   #133 
        - I don't need any lessons, thank you.  Straw Man   Apr-24-11 12:09 AM   #136 
        - Well, you are one of few. Too many of these guys are defending drunk carrying two concealed weapons.  Hoyt   Apr-24-11 12:35 AM   #137 
           - "Well, you are one of few."  rl6214   Apr-24-11 08:17 PM   #159 
        - Yet another  rrneck   Apr-24-11 11:49 AM   #145 
     - Again with the vigilante talk. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-23-11 06:25 PM   #114 
  - Wow, what great logic that is. Keeping track of the bad cops also? n-t  Logical   Apr-23-11 08:02 PM   #123 
  - Fuuny, but if I hit this drunk gunner with a sap, it would be a felony. Go figure! nt  right2bfree   Apr-25-11 02:27 AM   #163 
  - Wow, you found one.  krispos42   Apr-23-11 02:48 PM   #74 
  - I'll do my best!  jpak   Apr-23-11 02:51 PM   #75 
     - I'm sure you will. Besides, win or lose, it's for a good cause.  krispos42   Apr-23-11 09:45 PM   #131 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-23-11 07:51 PM   #117 
  - Typical right wing gun owner. Drunk with lots of guns, nt  right2bfree   Apr-23-11 07:56 PM   #119 
  - What makes you think he was a conservative? nt  rrneck   Apr-23-11 08:03 PM   #125 
  - You're right. He might be a liberal drunk, with two guns and a bad attitude.  Hoyt   Apr-24-11 12:37 AM   #138 
  - Bullshit  rl6214   Apr-24-11 08:18 PM   #160 
  - Your bigotry....  PavePusher   Apr-25-11 12:20 PM   #170 
  - Very rare occurrence.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-24-11 08:29 AM   #140 
 

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