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  -Oppression of a civil right. Gun ownership minimal cost compared. lawodevolution  Apr-13-11 12:18 AM   #0 
  - Everything is more expensive in NYC than in Texas.  Webster Green   Apr-13-11 12:27 AM   #1 
  - Mostly just rent, food is about the same and any product you can buy online is about the same  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 12:43 AM   #4 
  - True, but I'm guessing that the OP's point is that the latter two entries (140 and 94) are fees  petronius   Apr-13-11 12:46 AM   #5 
     - Or an enforcement tax  inademv   Apr-13-11 01:10 AM   #6 
        - They may frame it that way, but it's hardly a valid reason - why should people buying guns legally  petronius   Apr-13-11 01:28 AM   #7 
        - To be precise  inademv   Apr-13-11 01:57 AM   #8 
           - That's not strictly true - financial barriers intended to curtail the exercise of a right  petronius   Apr-13-11 02:09 AM   #9 
           - No I do not agree  inademv   Apr-13-11 02:35 AM   #10 
              - What increased cost is the legal, regulation-following gun buyer inflicting on the social system?  petronius   Apr-13-11 02:42 AM   #11 
              - How many guns purchased by so-called law-abiding citizens eventually end up being used in a crime?  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 08:35 AM   #15 
                 - Blame the victim?  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 08:43 AM   #18 
                 - Maybe if the fee was imposed after the fact  inademv   Apr-13-11 08:50 AM   #19 
                 - We can do the same with books, amIright?  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 10:55 AM   #53 
                 - No, I'm blaming those building an arsenal and promoting gun proliferation (especially in public).  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 08:57 AM   #21 
                    - And we grew tired of housing , feeding , and defending multirecidivist scum  Katya Mullethov   Apr-13-11 09:04 AM   #22 
                    - Enjoy your hunt.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 09:08 AM   #23 
                       - Thanks , but we already got one this year  Katya Mullethov   Apr-13-11 09:36 AM   #33 
                    - So people exercising their rights and enjoying a hobby are now selfish and evil  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:13 AM   #26 
                    - So building a weapons cache is your hobby. Come on.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 09:22 AM   #28 
                       - Define a weapons cache.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 09:28 AM   #30 
                       - You are so glib with such terms, but never define them  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:42 AM   #34 
                    - No, you are blaming the victims of theft.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 09:25 AM   #29 
                    - Again, I'm blaming the folks who keep buying . . and worse, promoting . . the dang things.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 09:29 AM   #31 
                       - More anti rights tripe...  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:42 AM   #35 
                       - Instead of the people COMMITTING CRIMES with the dang things.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 10:00 AM   #38 
                          - Brigands dont normally do what they're told  Katya Mullethov   Apr-13-11 11:06 AM   #59 
                    - If they are building an arsenal then they would need a Federal license to do so.  oneshooter   Apr-13-11 08:15 PM   #90 
                    - "No, I'm blaming those building an arsenal and promoting gun proliferation (especially in public)"  lawodevolution   Apr-14-11 12:41 AM   #94 
                 - Define a bunch in terms with numbers in them  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:09 AM   #24 
                 - "A bunch."  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 10:54 AM   #52 
              - $14.50 for a pack of cigarettes too.  safeinOhio   Apr-13-11 03:12 AM   #12 
              - How is that fair?  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 08:40 AM   #17 
              - Criminals are charged after the fact  inademv   Apr-13-11 08:53 AM   #20 
                 - So you want to charge people up front in case they become victims of crime, and  petronius   Apr-13-11 10:10 AM   #41 
              - Unreasonable financial barriers to the excise of rights have been stuck down in the past  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:11 AM   #25 
              - 300$ is unreasonable?  inademv   Apr-13-11 01:06 PM   #74 
                 - It is if you are afraid for your life ane you don't have 300 bucks. nt  rrneck   Apr-13-11 04:37 PM   #79 
                 - Yes  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 08:56 PM   #91 
              - Really? Then why is enforcement so lax?  pipoman   Apr-13-11 10:01 AM   #39 
              - Are those fees actually going to that purpose?  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 10:53 AM   #51 
           - "The right to own guns is not affected by the costs associated with acquiring them in a legal sense"  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 10:52 AM   #50 
           - That people who understand the venacular write the rules?  inademv   Apr-13-11 12:58 PM   #71 
              - That you think an imposed economic impediment does not affect the access to a Right.  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 01:33 PM   #77 
           - artificially increasing the cost of owning a gun is ABSOLUTELY A FORM OF OPPRESSION  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:04 AM   #56 
           - "Infringement on rights was a good enough reason for the poll tax to be unconstitutional. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-13-11 06:14 PM   #85 
        - I like that... how about a "Poll Tax" to cut down on Election Fraud?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-13-11 08:37 AM   #16 
           - Give us a break. "Poll tax" is totally different. Besides, Poll taxes were levied by gun toters.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 10:10 AM   #40 
              - Charging significant fees for acts excercising an enumerated civil right...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-13-11 10:30 AM   #44 
                 - You have the problem if u think "guns in public" is equivalent to civil rights based upon ethnicity.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 10:34 AM   #45 
                    - Owning and Bearing arms is a regognized and enumerated Civil Right. Period.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-13-11 10:56 AM   #54 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-13-11 12:35 PM   #67 
                       - Why is it not an enumerated right?  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 07:42 PM   #89 
                    - "...keep and bear..."  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 10:58 AM   #55 
                    - "Bear" with restrictions. Guns in public is still not equivalent to the real civil rights issues.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 12:37 PM   #68 
                       - Bearing arms is a Real Civil Right.  PavePusher   Apr-13-11 01:18 PM   #76 
                    - based on the constitution. "keep and bare arms"  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:06 AM   #57 
                       - With restrictions and then there is that "A well regulated militia" phrase.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 12:38 PM   #69 
                          - How does one  rrneck   Apr-13-11 04:39 PM   #80 
                          - You really don't get it. There are no real militias nowadays other than AFs - so turn in your guns.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 05:03 PM   #81 
                             - That doesn't answer the question.  rrneck   Apr-13-11 05:23 PM   #82 
                          - Still beating that dead horse? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-13-11 06:20 PM   #86 
                          - "well regulated militia" equals all able bodied men (and perhaps women)  lawodevolution   Apr-14-11 12:08 AM   #92 
  - Huh?  Unrepentant Fenian   Apr-13-11 12:27 AM   #2 
  - Wages are a helluva lot better in NY than TX, too. n/t  ingac70   Apr-13-11 12:38 AM   #3 
  - I paid excise tax and on my truck - it that liberal oppression too?  jpak   Apr-13-11 05:33 AM   #13 
  - Only on civil rights. nt  Remmah2   Apr-13-11 09:56 AM   #37 
  - does your mom know you're on an adult discussion forum?  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:06 AM   #58 
  - On second thought - they shuld raise Texas fees to NYC levels  jpak   Apr-13-11 06:17 AM   #14 
  - So you want to spread the repressive classist and racist laws of NYC? How progressive of you  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:15 AM   #27 
     - Proliferation of guns is not "progressive." In fact, it is regressive. You guys crack me up.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 09:34 AM   #32 
        - You have that backwards...private ownership of firearms is a progressive value  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 09:43 AM   #36 
        - Progressive things are to make society better. More guns ain't doing that.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 10:11 AM   #42 
           - Progressive is about empowerment, and empowerment does make society better for the workers  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 10:15 AM   #43 
           - Guns = Empowerment. LMAO  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 10:36 AM   #46 
           - What your policy would mean.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 12:59 PM   #72 
           - When you have had as many friends bashed and attacked as I have, maybe you would see things better  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 07:39 PM   #87 
           - exactly, a lot of the super rich today (who would like to pay their employees almost nothing) also  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:10 AM   #62 
           - PROGRESSive  rrneck   Apr-13-11 10:39 AM   #47 
           - The last thing I associate with "progressive" is more guns strapped to folks' legs in public.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 10:46 AM   #48 
              - Yeah. We know.  rrneck   Apr-13-11 10:48 AM   #49 
              - lol  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-13-11 05:44 PM   #83 
              - so when gays in california go from carrying a whistle and still being attacked to open carrying  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:12 AM   #63 
              - That is definitely good. Luckily, most folks find better ways to protection than carrying guns.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 12:32 PM   #65 
                 - Like what?  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 01:00 PM   #73 
                    - The ironic part is that if guns didn't work so well... he wouldn't want to ban 'em.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-13-11 05:51 PM   #84 
              - Few carry openly in public, except as a statement  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-13-11 07:41 PM   #88 
           - really? so as crime rates decrease, you manage to make the claim that  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:09 AM   #61 
           - Crime decreases from many variables. Simplistic to think it's due to more guns.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 12:33 PM   #66 
              - Fail. You failed to show us how being more like Gun free Nigeria is going to be better  lawodevolution   Apr-14-11 12:14 AM   #93 
           - so how many progressives  gejohnston   Apr-13-11 11:30 AM   #64 
           - Oh come on -- Brady was a Reagan Repub. Right wingers control the much larger NRA.  Hoyt   Apr-13-11 02:34 PM   #78 
              - Paul helmke, Mark Helmke, sara brady, jim brady...  beevul   Apr-14-11 05:55 AM   #96 
           - less guns means more weak at the mercy of the strong.  Atypical Liberal   Apr-13-11 12:56 PM   #70 
        - there is nothing wrong with "proliferation" or increase in gun ownership rates in the USA  lawodevolution   Apr-13-11 11:07 AM   #60 
           - Remember who you are talking to.  beevul   Apr-14-11 07:45 AM   #97 
  - Which extra taxes are you talking about specificially?  inademv   Apr-13-11 01:07 PM   #75 
     - He's talking about the application and fingerprint fees to apply for a rifle/shotgun  petronius   Apr-14-11 12:46 AM   #95 

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