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Tue Apr-05-11 07:46 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism Liberalism The revolutionaries in the American Revolution and the French Revolution used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of tyrannical rule. The nineteenth century saw liberal governments established in nations across Europe, Latin America, and North America. Liberal ideas spread even further in the twentieth century, when liberal democracies triumphed in two world wars and survived major ideological challenges from fascism and communism. Conservatism, fundamentalism, and military dictatorship remain powerful opponents of liberalism. Today, liberals are organized politically on all major continents. They have played a decisive role in the growth of republics, the spread of civil rights and civil liberties, the establishment of the modern welfare state, the institution of religious toleration and religious freedom, and the development of globalization. Political scientist Alan Wolfe wrote, "liberalism is the answer for which modernity is the question".<8>
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| -Mass gun confiscations HAVE occurred in the US....Why Gun Registration is a complete NO GO |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:03 PM |
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Tough Crap |
HERVEPA |
Apr-04-11 03:04 PM |
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This is why my guns are NOT registered... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:05 PM |
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so, you're NOT a law-abiding gun owner? n/t |
Scout |
Apr-04-11 03:08 PM |
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Actually I am in full complance with the law... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:11 PM |
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How refreshing |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:16 PM |
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???? n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:55 PM |
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I believe gun registration is against the law in Florida ... |
spin |
Apr-04-11 04:05 PM |
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Most states do not require registration. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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And that is a good thing. nt |
Mojorabbit |
Apr-06-11 01:44 AM |
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Based on court law, criminals don't have to register their firearms, |
lawodevolution |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Brilliant! Let anarchy rule. But I agree that |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:31 PM |
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No, guns should not be registered. The only use of such a system in the US is confiscation |
lawodevolution |
Apr-05-11 08:24 AM |
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Whats wrong with getting guns out of the hands of those who are unfit? nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:35 AM |
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Nothing. |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:28 AM |
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You are ignorant of the law, it seems... n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:13 PM |
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Apr-07-11 12:34 AM |
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Good! |
mysuzuki2 |
Apr-04-11 03:14 PM |
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This is why NOBODY wants to talk to the gun control side |
rl6214 |
Apr-04-11 03:35 PM |
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Eloquent! |
slackmaster |
Apr-04-11 03:37 PM |
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"Tough crap". Its interesting to see how progressive some really are when rights get trampled. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-04-11 07:09 PM |
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May I have a list of all your books and papers, please? |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Sounds like registration false under the "well-regulated militia" clause. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-04-11 03:06 PM |
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Well regulated = Properly functioning... Not control something by making it subject to rules or laws |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:26 PM |
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How do you make it function properly without ... |
Deep13 |
Apr-05-11 08:11 AM |
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The militia regulates itself |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 10:32 AM |
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Look at it like this... |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 11:23 AM |
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Apr-04-11 03:09 PM |
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Here is the funny thing about that. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:16 PM |
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There is no federal registration. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:27 PM |
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Questions... |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:31 PM |
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To what end? To make fools accountable |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:23 PM |
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You realize they can already do that. |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 06:36 AM |
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Apr-04-11 03:41 PM |
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Owners of unregistered guns should |
KaoriMitsubishi |
Apr-04-11 03:11 PM |
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You do realize that most states do *NOT* require the registration of all firearms... |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:19 PM |
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Do *NOT* require. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:28 PM |
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tnx... edited. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:32 PM |
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Owners of cars that are stolen and used in a crime should also get life in prison |
DonP |
Apr-04-11 04:04 PM |
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Inventing new crimes... |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:15 PM |
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How does gun registration help again? |
YllwFvr |
Apr-04-11 03:14 PM |
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IF someone registers their gun, AND they use it in a crime, AND they leave the gun behind |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:30 PM |
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Personally, I see many downsides that outweigh the benefit. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:34 PM |
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It does not help... At all. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:51 PM |
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I was aware of some of those |
YllwFvr |
Apr-04-11 09:27 PM |
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might check the source on the Bush quote... |
Flyboy_451 |
Apr-04-11 09:44 PM |
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Good catch... Times change... |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 11:09 AM |
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How many billions spent in Canada ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-05-11 07:23 AM |
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They can't point to a single arrest |
YllwFvr |
Apr-05-11 08:06 AM |
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Haynes v. United States, 1968... n/t |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:41 PM |
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Good |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 07:03 PM |
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Maybe we should advocate confiscating your computer to silence your speech too? |
cleanhippie |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Im not typing on a military computer |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:37 PM |
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But you *could*, if so inclined, use it to commit crimes. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:40 PM |
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And the number of military firearms in private hands is vanishingly small. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:49 PM |
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Um, isn't the www based on a military network? |
Union Scribe |
Apr-05-11 03:10 AM |
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Yep. The Internet is an outgrowth of ARPANET, started by the Defense Department. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 06:49 PM |
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Oh noes1!1!!1!11! |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 11:57 PM |
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The Internet was designed to be resistant to nuclear attacks |
slackmaster |
Apr-06-11 09:00 AM |
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What's a "military" computer? |
Euromutt |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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What "military weapons" are you talking about? |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:16 PM |
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All military weapons from assault rifles on up |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:38 PM |
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Your obviously not military... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 09:55 PM |
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You mean the 'civilian' AR15 rifles that have turned Mexico into a violent hellhole? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 10:02 PM |
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AR15s are banned for civilians in Mexico, IIRC. How's that working out? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:34 PM |
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Apr-04-11 10:59 PM |
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That's your second strawman argument in less than an hour. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 11:06 PM |
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You dont know? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:45 PM |
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Cite to evidence, please? |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 08:15 AM |
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You'll see clear video of a live chupacabra before you see *that* evidence n/t |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 12:08 PM |
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**Snort** |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 06:01 PM |
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By ass*oles with assault weapons, no less!!!1!! |
burrfoot |
Apr-07-11 12:50 AM |
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Total fabrication and dishonesty in your post. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-05-11 09:31 AM |
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I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:52 PM |
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That is where I got my information |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:00 PM |
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Then it seems you did not understand it. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 11:20 PM |
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I understand the part that says it was designed for military use |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:41 PM |
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You missed this part... |
Straw Man |
Apr-05-11 12:09 AM |
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I can't think of a gun |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 12:12 AM |
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What part of 'from assault rifles on up' do you not understand? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:14 AM |
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You need to look up the definition of "assault rifle". |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 08:14 AM |
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You don't have a clue what you're writing about |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:48 AM |
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What part of vanishingly rare do you not undetstand? |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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You do know that "assault rifles" are fully automatic don't you? |
rl6214 |
Apr-05-11 12:35 PM |
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This is where we reach our impasse then. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 03:57 AM |
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LOL |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:13 AM |
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I didn't make myself entirely clear. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 10:07 AM |
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Your fantasy of taking on the US military is absurd |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 05:44 PM |
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It's clearly absurd. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 05:53 PM |
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You want to pit civilians against 'We the people?' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:21 PM |
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Um... |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:46 PM |
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So, liberals are pushing for a total armed society? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:48 PM |
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Who here has that objective? |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:50 PM |
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Havent you heard the news? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 10:58 PM |
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Now, to be fair, I never advocated for a total armed society. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 11:07 PM |
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"Now, to be fair, I never advocated for a total armed society." |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:34 AM |
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You need to produce a quote |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 11:19 PM |
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oops |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:32 AM |
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OK |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:35 AM |
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Oh, sorry. You can read. |
rrneck |
Apr-06-11 11:03 AM |
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I've terribly miscommunicated my position, I'm afraid. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-06-11 10:01 PM |
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It's hard to defend hyperbole isn't it? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-06-11 01:27 PM |
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Wow. You've actually given me a good bit to think about. Thanks for the post! |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 10:42 PM |
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Better tell some South-Western Asian yahoos... |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 06:03 PM |
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All firearms were originally designed for military use |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:49 AM |
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See: 'Asssault rifles on up' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:42 PM |
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Define "assault rifle". |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:52 PM |
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Military assault rifles are capable of automatic or burst fire, and are therefore strictly regulated |
slackmaster |
Apr-06-11 08:57 AM |
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So was the bolt action rifle, the lever action repeater, the semi auto rifle |
DonP |
Apr-05-11 08:59 AM |
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Don't forget the Brown Bess |
Euromutt |
Apr-06-11 07:40 PM |
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The name "AR-15" got applied to different designs |
Euromutt |
Apr-05-11 05:04 PM |
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Colt marketed the M16 to military |
rl6214 |
Apr-06-11 12:15 AM |
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More here.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 11:25 PM |
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You every study any history? |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-05-11 08:57 AM |
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All guns were originally designed for military use. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-05-11 06:37 PM |
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Again, specifics, please...? n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:57 PM |
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The police and military would have a hard time doing their jobs if that happened |
slackmaster |
Apr-04-11 08:21 PM |
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The police and military arent civilians |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:38 PM |
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Police are most definitely 'civilians'. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:54 PM |
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Now you are grasping at straws |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:36 AM |
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I merely stated a fact. |
PavePusher |
Apr-06-11 11:08 AM |
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I state fact |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 12:46 PM |
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This is one of the rare instances where I must disagree with a dictionary. |
PavePusher |
Apr-06-11 01:29 PM |
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Your beef isn't with me |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 05:12 PM |
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Feel free to place yourself subordinate to the UCMJ at any time. |
PavePusher |
Apr-07-11 10:59 AM |
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Actually the police are |
rl6214 |
Apr-04-11 10:57 PM |
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Oh dear, you are not good at this. |
Union Scribe |
Apr-05-11 03:11 AM |
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Apr-06-11 10:38 AM |
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Goalpost move, and police are in fact civilians |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:39 AM |
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So, arming the cops = a 'police state?' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:37 AM |
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Perhaps the tought |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 10:40 AM |
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Lets compromise then |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:42 AM |
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Well what would you call it |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 10:59 AM |
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I call it 'not anarchy' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 11:04 AM |
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It is hardly a fantasy. |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 11:22 AM |
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Fantasy, delusion, whichever... |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 05:20 PM |
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Is observation of verifyable facts defined by fantasy or delusion in your book? |
Glassunion |
Apr-07-11 09:09 AM |
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Seriously |
RSillsbee |
Apr-04-11 11:35 PM |
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Exactly. CA and NY have done a pretty good job on assault weapons. But... |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:39 AM |
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Why do "we need a new AW ban"? |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:32 AM |
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Don't hpld your breath waiting for an answer. |
oneshooter |
Apr-07-11 05:57 PM |
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Congress won't pass it. It won't even get out of committees. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-07-11 09:44 AM |
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I bet you cannot even correctly DEFINE an "AW" |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-07-11 02:51 PM |
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. |
Glassunion |
Apr-07-11 02:57 PM |
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gun registration systems can't be used to solve crimes or in court due to the 5th which |
lawodevolution |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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So vehicle registration systems can't be used to solve crimes due to the 5th? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 10:12 PM |
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And here I'd thought certain other posters had used up all the straw. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:36 PM |
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link to a case in which vehicle registration was used to prosecute a criminal please |
lawodevolution |
Apr-05-11 12:26 PM |
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That's why people who want outright gun bans go for total registration first |
WatsonT |
Apr-05-11 10:46 AM |
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Yep. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-05-11 03:43 PM |
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And for some reason, they think we won't notice. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 11:49 PM |
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Of course they'll always retort with: |
WatsonT |
Apr-06-11 03:30 PM |
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Disturbing... |
Xela |
Apr-06-11 08:49 AM |
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Pretty simple, folks. If you like your guns, California is not the place to go!!! |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:33 AM |
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That too will change. |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:34 AM |
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That's always been my philosophy. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-07-11 01:44 AM |
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Your disdain for Constitutional Rights is noted. |
PavePusher |
Apr-07-11 11:04 AM |
#153 |