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| -Mass gun confiscations HAVE occurred in the US....Why Gun Registration is a complete NO GO |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:03 PM |
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Tough Crap |
HERVEPA |
Apr-04-11 03:04 PM |
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This is why my guns are NOT registered... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:05 PM |
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so, you're NOT a law-abiding gun owner? n/t |
Scout |
Apr-04-11 03:08 PM |
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Actually I am in full complance with the law... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 03:11 PM |
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How refreshing |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:16 PM |
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???? n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:55 PM |
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I believe gun registration is against the law in Florida ... |
spin |
Apr-04-11 04:05 PM |
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Most states do not require registration. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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And that is a good thing. nt |
Mojorabbit |
Apr-06-11 01:44 AM |
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Based on court law, criminals don't have to register their firearms, |
lawodevolution |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Brilliant! Let anarchy rule. But I agree that |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:31 PM |
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No, guns should not be registered. The only use of such a system in the US is confiscation |
lawodevolution |
Apr-05-11 08:24 AM |
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Whats wrong with getting guns out of the hands of those who are unfit? nt |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:35 AM |
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Nothing. |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:28 AM |
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You are ignorant of the law, it seems... n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:13 PM |
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Apr-07-11 12:34 AM |
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Good! |
mysuzuki2 |
Apr-04-11 03:14 PM |
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This is why NOBODY wants to talk to the gun control side |
rl6214 |
Apr-04-11 03:35 PM |
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Eloquent! |
slackmaster |
Apr-04-11 03:37 PM |
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"Tough crap". Its interesting to see how progressive some really are when rights get trampled. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-04-11 07:09 PM |
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May I have a list of all your books and papers, please? |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Sounds like registration false under the "well-regulated militia" clause. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-04-11 03:06 PM |
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Well regulated = Properly functioning... Not control something by making it subject to rules or laws |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:26 PM |
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How do you make it function properly without ... |
Deep13 |
Apr-05-11 08:11 AM |
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The militia regulates itself |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 10:32 AM |
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Look at it like this... |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 11:23 AM |
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Apr-04-11 03:09 PM |
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Here is the funny thing about that. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:16 PM |
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There is no federal registration. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:27 PM |
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Questions... |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:31 PM |
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To what end? To make fools accountable |
Starboard Tack |
Apr-04-11 10:23 PM |
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You realize they can already do that. |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 06:36 AM |
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Apr-04-11 03:41 PM |
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Owners of unregistered guns should |
KaoriMitsubishi |
Apr-04-11 03:11 PM |
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You do realize that most states do *NOT* require the registration of all firearms... |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:19 PM |
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Do *NOT* require. |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:28 PM |
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tnx... edited. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:32 PM |
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Owners of cars that are stolen and used in a crime should also get life in prison |
DonP |
Apr-04-11 04:04 PM |
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Inventing new crimes... |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:15 PM |
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How does gun registration help again? |
YllwFvr |
Apr-04-11 03:14 PM |
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IF someone registers their gun, AND they use it in a crime, AND they leave the gun behind |
AtheistCrusader |
Apr-04-11 03:30 PM |
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Personally, I see many downsides that outweigh the benefit. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:34 PM |
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It does not help... At all. |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:51 PM |
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I was aware of some of those |
YllwFvr |
Apr-04-11 09:27 PM |
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might check the source on the Bush quote... |
Flyboy_451 |
Apr-04-11 09:44 PM |
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Good catch... Times change... |
Glassunion |
Apr-05-11 11:09 AM |
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How many billions spent in Canada ? |
Katya Mullethov |
Apr-05-11 07:23 AM |
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They can't point to a single arrest |
YllwFvr |
Apr-05-11 08:06 AM |
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Haynes v. United States, 1968... n/t |
Glassunion |
Apr-04-11 03:41 PM |
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Good |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 07:03 PM |
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Maybe we should advocate confiscating your computer to silence your speech too? |
cleanhippie |
Apr-04-11 07:12 PM |
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Im not typing on a military computer |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:37 PM |
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But you *could*, if so inclined, use it to commit crimes. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:40 PM |
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And the number of military firearms in private hands is vanishingly small. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:49 PM |
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Um, isn't the www based on a military network? |
Union Scribe |
Apr-05-11 03:10 AM |
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Yep. The Internet is an outgrowth of ARPANET, started by the Defense Department. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 06:49 PM |
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Oh noes1!1!!1!11! |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 11:57 PM |
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The Internet was designed to be resistant to nuclear attacks |
slackmaster |
Apr-06-11 09:00 AM |
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What's a "military" computer? |
Euromutt |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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What "military weapons" are you talking about? |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 07:16 PM |
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All military weapons from assault rifles on up |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:38 PM |
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Your obviously not military... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-04-11 09:55 PM |
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You mean the 'civilian' AR15 rifles that have turned Mexico into a violent hellhole? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 10:02 PM |
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AR15s are banned for civilians in Mexico, IIRC. How's that working out? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:34 PM |
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Apr-04-11 10:59 PM |
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That's your second strawman argument in less than an hour. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 11:06 PM |
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You dont know? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:45 PM |
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Cite to evidence, please? |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 08:15 AM |
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You'll see clear video of a live chupacabra before you see *that* evidence n/t |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 12:08 PM |
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**Snort** |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 06:01 PM |
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By ass*oles with assault weapons, no less!!!1!! |
burrfoot |
Apr-07-11 12:50 AM |
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Total fabrication and dishonesty in your post. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-05-11 09:31 AM |
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I'm not sure you know what you are talking about. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:52 PM |
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That is where I got my information |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:00 PM |
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Then it seems you did not understand it. n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 11:20 PM |
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I understand the part that says it was designed for military use |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 11:41 PM |
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You missed this part... |
Straw Man |
Apr-05-11 12:09 AM |
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I can't think of a gun |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 12:12 AM |
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What part of 'from assault rifles on up' do you not understand? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:14 AM |
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You need to look up the definition of "assault rifle". |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 08:14 AM |
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You don't have a clue what you're writing about |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:48 AM |
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What part of vanishingly rare do you not undetstand? |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 09:52 AM |
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You do know that "assault rifles" are fully automatic don't you? |
rl6214 |
Apr-05-11 12:35 PM |
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This is where we reach our impasse then. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 03:57 AM |
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LOL |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:13 AM |
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I didn't make myself entirely clear. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 10:07 AM |
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Your fantasy of taking on the US military is absurd |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 05:44 PM |
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It's clearly absurd. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 05:53 PM |
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You want to pit civilians against 'We the people?' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:21 PM |
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Um... |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:46 PM |
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So, liberals are pushing for a total armed society? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:48 PM |
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Who here has that objective? |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:50 PM |
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Havent you heard the news? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 10:58 PM |
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Now, to be fair, I never advocated for a total armed society. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 11:07 PM |
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"Now, to be fair, I never advocated for a total armed society." |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:34 AM |
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You need to produce a quote |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 11:19 PM |
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oops |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:32 AM |
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OK |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:35 AM |
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Oh, sorry. You can read. |
rrneck |
Apr-06-11 11:03 AM |
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I've terribly miscommunicated my position, I'm afraid. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-06-11 10:01 PM |
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It's hard to defend hyperbole isn't it? nt |
rrneck |
Apr-06-11 01:27 PM |
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Wow. You've actually given me a good bit to think about. Thanks for the post! |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-05-11 10:42 PM |
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Better tell some South-Western Asian yahoos... |
PavePusher |
Apr-05-11 06:03 PM |
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All firearms were originally designed for military use |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:49 AM |
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See: 'Asssault rifles on up' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-05-11 07:42 PM |
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Define "assault rifle". |
rrneck |
Apr-05-11 07:52 PM |
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Military assault rifles are capable of automatic or burst fire, and are therefore strictly regulated |
slackmaster |
Apr-06-11 08:57 AM |
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So was the bolt action rifle, the lever action repeater, the semi auto rifle |
DonP |
Apr-05-11 08:59 AM |
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Don't forget the Brown Bess |
Euromutt |
Apr-06-11 07:40 PM |
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The name "AR-15" got applied to different designs |
Euromutt |
Apr-05-11 05:04 PM |
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Colt marketed the M16 to military |
rl6214 |
Apr-06-11 12:15 AM |
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More here.... |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 11:25 PM |
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You every study any history? |
one-eyed fat man |
Apr-05-11 08:57 AM |
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All guns were originally designed for military use. |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-05-11 06:37 PM |
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Again, specifics, please...? n/t |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:57 PM |
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The police and military would have a hard time doing their jobs if that happened |
slackmaster |
Apr-04-11 08:21 PM |
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The police and military arent civilians |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 09:38 PM |
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Police are most definitely 'civilians'. |
PavePusher |
Apr-04-11 10:54 PM |
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Now you are grasping at straws |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:36 AM |
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I merely stated a fact. |
PavePusher |
Apr-06-11 11:08 AM |
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I state fact |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 12:46 PM |
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This is one of the rare instances where I must disagree with a dictionary. |
PavePusher |
Apr-06-11 01:29 PM |
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Your beef isn't with me |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 05:12 PM |
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Feel free to place yourself subordinate to the UCMJ at any time. |
PavePusher |
Apr-07-11 10:59 AM |
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Actually the police are |
rl6214 |
Apr-04-11 10:57 PM |
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Oh dear, you are not good at this. |
Union Scribe |
Apr-05-11 03:11 AM |
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Apr-06-11 10:38 AM |
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Goalpost move, and police are in fact civilians |
slackmaster |
Apr-05-11 08:39 AM |
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So, arming the cops = a 'police state?' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:37 AM |
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Perhaps the tought |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 10:40 AM |
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Lets compromise then |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 10:42 AM |
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Well what would you call it |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 10:59 AM |
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I call it 'not anarchy' |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 11:04 AM |
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It is hardly a fantasy. |
Glassunion |
Apr-06-11 11:22 AM |
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Fantasy, delusion, whichever... |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-06-11 05:20 PM |
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Is observation of verifyable facts defined by fantasy or delusion in your book? |
Glassunion |
Apr-07-11 09:09 AM |
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Seriously |
RSillsbee |
Apr-04-11 11:35 PM |
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Exactly. CA and NY have done a pretty good job on assault weapons. But... |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:39 AM |
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Why do "we need a new AW ban"? |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:32 AM |
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Don't hpld your breath waiting for an answer. |
oneshooter |
Apr-07-11 05:57 PM |
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Congress won't pass it. It won't even get out of committees. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Apr-07-11 09:44 AM |
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I bet you cannot even correctly DEFINE an "AW" |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-07-11 02:51 PM |
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. |
Glassunion |
Apr-07-11 02:57 PM |
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gun registration systems can't be used to solve crimes or in court due to the 5th which |
lawodevolution |
Apr-04-11 07:10 PM |
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So vehicle registration systems can't be used to solve crimes due to the 5th? |
Avant Guardian |
Apr-04-11 10:12 PM |
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And here I'd thought certain other posters had used up all the straw. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-04-11 10:36 PM |
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link to a case in which vehicle registration was used to prosecute a criminal please |
lawodevolution |
Apr-05-11 12:26 PM |
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That's why people who want outright gun bans go for total registration first |
WatsonT |
Apr-05-11 10:46 AM |
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Yep. |
cleanhippie |
Apr-05-11 03:43 PM |
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And for some reason, they think we won't notice. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-05-11 11:49 PM |
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Of course they'll always retort with: |
WatsonT |
Apr-06-11 03:30 PM |
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Disturbing... |
Xela |
Apr-06-11 08:49 AM |
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Pretty simple, folks. If you like your guns, California is not the place to go!!! |
right2bfree |
Apr-07-11 12:33 AM |
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That too will change. |
beevul |
Apr-07-11 01:34 AM |
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That's always been my philosophy. |
NewMoonTherian |
Apr-07-11 01:44 AM |
#149 |
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Your disdain for Constitutional Rights is noted. |
PavePusher |
Apr-07-11 11:04 AM |
#153 |
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