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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. And you're parroting AshKKKroft's rhetoric
But keep on pretending that arming criminals and shielding a corrupt industry from its responsibility from the law is "liberty." It's almost as hilarious as you pretending that the racist heads of the two largest gun owner organizations don't speak for gun owners.
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  -"Myths of Murder" -- junk science in the debate on guns and crime NorthernSpy  Feb-12-04 06:05 AM   #0 
  - Thanks for posting this.  SheilaT   Feb-12-04 06:24 AM   #1 
  - The UK and Australia both have higher crime rates then the US  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 07:07 AM   #2 
  - That Still Doesn't Justify America's Obsession With Guns  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 07:34 AM   #3 
  - It does show that ...  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 07:41 AM   #4 
     - And Neither Does Increased Gun Access  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 09:07 AM   #8 
     - If gun control does not affect crime rates, why impose stricter laws???  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 10:22 AM   #15 
        - And Why Make Them Looser???  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 10:24 AM   #16 
        - Because we live in a free society that values individual liberty  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 10:29 AM   #17 
           - well said  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 10:40 AM   #18 
           - I Do Not Consider Gun Control Needless or Useless  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 10:53 AM   #20 
              - you want the government to have too much power  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:15 AM   #23 
              - And You Seem to Want The NRA To Have Too Much Power  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 11:17 AM   #25 
                 - Weird projection on your part (I just want my freedom)  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:21 AM   #28 
                    - Not to Mention YOUR Feeble Attampts....  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 11:26 AM   #34 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 11:28 AM   #35 
              - Some gun control makes sense to me  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 11:15 AM   #24 
                 - they have to continue the smear by association  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:24 AM   #32 
                    - Perhaps The Desperation...  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 11:29 AM   #36 
                       - Seems somebody failed to notice  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 11:31 AM   #38 
                       - How is that any different then the VPC's 1n 5 LEO killed lie??  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 11:33 AM   #39 
                          - For one thing it's not a lie  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 11:58 AM   #41 
                             - It is a lie  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 12:03 PM   #43 
                                - Not even close to true  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 12:05 PM   #44 
                                   - I read the VPC's report  jimsteuben   Feb-12-04 12:23 PM   #51 
                                      - Again, not even close to true...  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 12:35 PM   #54 
                                      - Nope  Columbia   Feb-12-04 12:48 PM   #57 
                                      - Yup....  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 12:58 PM   #58 
                                      - Nope  Columbia   Feb-12-04 01:10 PM   #61 
                                      - What else does the RKBA crowd do?  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 03:51 PM   #91 
                                      - The study is incorrect  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 01:16 PM   #62 
                                      - Only to those  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 03:20 PM   #83 
                                      - I have never said ...  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 04:09 PM   #94 
                                      - Tough luck...  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 04:11 PM   #95 
                                      - When did I use a NRA source??  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 04:20 PM   #101 
                                      - No More Paranoid...  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 10:41 PM   #132 
                                      - what is an "assault weapon"?  jimsteuben   Feb-12-04 08:01 PM   #123 
                       - Your desperation is a result of your lame arguements CO  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:33 AM   #40 
                          - It also stems from the anti-RKBAers'  Superfly   Feb-12-04 12:07 PM   #45 
                          - But Too Many Of Your Fellow Travelers....  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 12:17 PM   #47 
                             - What in the holy hell are you talking about now?  Superfly   Feb-12-04 12:19 PM   #49 
                             - I, for one, am strongly opposed to stifling anyone's viewpoint  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 01:09 PM   #60 
                                - And I'm NOT A "Freedom Loving Liberal"???  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 02:07 PM   #64 
                                   - We know  el_gato   Feb-12-04 02:23 PM   #71 
                                   - And Stop Trying to Take Away MY Freedom...  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 02:28 PM   #74 
                                      - Your freedom to take away my right to own a gun? LOL!  el_gato   Feb-12-04 02:38 PM   #76 
                                      - My Stating An Opinion On This Board  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 02:48 PM   #77 
                                      - Your opinion is that we should have less freedom  el_gato   Feb-12-04 02:53 PM   #78 
                                      - My Opinion Is That We Should Have Less Guns...  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 04:56 PM   #105 
                                      - and how do you go about doing that?  el_gato   Feb-12-04 05:09 PM   #108 
                                      - It Doesn't Matter What I Suggest  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 05:12 PM   #109 
                                      - Throw out one proposal...  RoeBear   Feb-12-04 05:54 PM   #119 
                                      - What You're Asking For is Impossible  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 09:44 PM   #127 
                                      - And of course...  RoeBear   Feb-13-04 07:20 AM   #133 
                                      - Also Impossible  CO Liberal   Feb-13-04 09:04 AM   #135 
                                      - Try suggesting...  beevul   Feb-12-04 05:56 PM   #120 
                                   - There was never an implication that you are not  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 07:13 PM   #122 
        - are you actually saying  iverglas   Feb-12-04 12:44 PM   #56 
           - Let's see here...  Columbia   Feb-12-04 01:07 PM   #59 
              - yes, do let's  iverglas   Feb-12-04 02:27 PM   #73 
                 - Yup  Columbia   Feb-12-04 02:34 PM   #75 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 03:01 PM   #79 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 03:09 PM   #80 
                          - really?  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:14 PM   #82 
                             - I'd say the whole thing  Columbia   Feb-12-04 03:26 PM   #86 
     - no it doesn't  iverglas   Feb-12-04 12:39 PM   #55 
  - Only according to a survey  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 07:46 AM   #6 
  - The real truth about the UN International Crime Victim Survey  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 08:45 AM   #7 
  - comparing crime rates  jimsteuben   Feb-12-04 09:59 AM   #9 
     - Too frigging funny...  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 10:03 AM   #10 
     - Don't take my "crowd's" word for it  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 10:15 AM   #13 
        - Crime in the UK  jimsteuben   Feb-12-04 12:18 PM   #48 
           - It's the Fraser Institute!  iverglas   Feb-12-04 02:09 PM   #65 
           - where are its champions?  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:13 PM   #81 
           - Gee, another far right wing source from the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 03:21 PM   #85 
           - Don't you understand?  grower   Feb-16-04 02:03 PM   #140 
     - And Many of the Criminals Use Guns  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 10:14 AM   #12 
        - and we've got criminals running our government  el_gato   Feb-12-04 10:50 AM   #19 
        - And those criminals are pushing gun rights  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 11:04 AM   #21 
           - so why are you supporting criminals benchly?  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:13 AM   #22 
              - Not me, gato....YOU  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 11:20 AM   #27 
                 - you want to put more power in the hands of John Ashcroft  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:23 AM   #29 
                    - Not even close to true  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 11:26 AM   #33 
                       - hey it's your arguements  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:30 AM   #37 
                          - And you're parroting AshKKKroft's rhetoric  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 12:00 PM   #42 
                             - Leave my rights alone (My rhetoric nobody else's)  el_gato   Feb-12-04 12:13 PM   #46 
                                - Hey, it's AshKKKroft's rhetoric  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 12:22 PM   #50 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 02:05 PM   #63 
                                      - Many Pro-Gunners Lost It Years Ago, Gato  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 02:17 PM   #67 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 02:25 PM   #72 
        - Nor do gun control laws address  Columbia   Feb-12-04 02:10 PM   #66 
  - how many times?  iverglas   Feb-12-04 12:35 PM   #53 
     - Every time someone says that the UK or Australia has a lower crime rate  Withergyld   Feb-12-04 03:27 PM   #87 
        - oh dear  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:46 PM   #90 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 04:49 PM   #104 
           - and more evasion  iverglas   Feb-12-04 05:26 PM   #113 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-13-04 10:05 AM   #136 
           - Pretty weak attack on survey methodology  slackmaster   Feb-13-04 10:10 AM   #138 
  - The unfortunate issue here is simple  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 07:42 AM   #5 
  - Quite right  Columbia   Feb-12-04 12:35 PM   #52 
  - can you footnote that?  iverglas   Feb-12-04 02:20 PM   #69 
     - Do you disagree?  Columbia   Feb-12-04 02:23 PM   #70 
        - sorry, I asked first  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:20 PM   #84 
           - Opinions of guns is germane to the whole discussion  Columbia   Feb-12-04 03:28 PM   #89 
              - actually, it's completely and utterly irrelevant to the discussion  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:57 PM   #92 
                 - Generalizations are not only allowed  Columbia   Feb-12-04 04:08 PM   #93 
                 - Without broad generalizations and distortion  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 04:13 PM   #96 
                 - the gun grabbers would be out of work  el_gato   Feb-12-04 04:15 PM   #98 
                 - yes indeedy  iverglas   Feb-12-04 04:42 PM   #103 
                    - Holy smokes  Columbia   Feb-12-04 05:19 PM   #112 
                       - but the standard definition  iverglas   Feb-12-04 05:32 PM   #114 
                          - As Bench would say  Columbia   Feb-12-04 05:39 PM   #116 
                 - we can "discuss" whatever we want to  el_gato   Feb-12-04 04:17 PM   #99 
                    - to what imaginary friend are you speaking?  iverglas   Feb-12-04 05:15 PM   #111 
                       - Mr. Imaginary here!  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 06:46 PM   #121 
                       - "I don't like or dislike anyone's choice of what to discuss...  RoeBear   Feb-12-04 08:07 PM   #124 
                          - gee, you're right  iverglas   Feb-13-04 07:49 AM   #134 
                             - well Iver Judging by the gun-control poll from yesterday  el_gato   Feb-13-04 10:08 AM   #137 
  - boolshite  iverglas   Feb-12-04 02:17 PM   #68 
     - I prefer the good ol' American bullshit  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 09:22 PM   #125 
        - Hey, I think the immigration thing is...  MrSandman   Feb-12-04 09:28 PM   #126 
           - So I've heard  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 10:11 PM   #130 
  - armed citizens  jimsteuben   Feb-12-04 10:11 AM   #11 
  - Damn! The gun grabbers are getting spanked today!  el_gato   Feb-12-04 10:18 AM   #14 
  - wot a very bizarre thing to say  iverglas   Feb-12-04 03:27 PM   #88 
     - you seem a little defensive and testy today  el_gato   Feb-12-04 04:14 PM   #97 
     - I'll be waiting  iverglas   Feb-12-04 05:35 PM   #115 
     - debaters on all sides of many issues can gain perspective from the article  NorthernSpy   Feb-12-04 05:00 PM   #106 
  - the big fraud perpetrated by the gun grabbers (have gun = nugent lover)  el_gato   Feb-12-04 11:18 AM   #26 
  - Well said  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 11:23 AM   #30 
  - you need to work that equation out again  iverglas   Feb-12-04 04:19 PM   #100 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-12-04 04:39 PM   #102 
        - then perhaps you can direct me to one  iverglas   Feb-12-04 05:47 PM   #118 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-13-04 10:12 AM   #139 
  - ## Support Democratic Underground! ##  DU GrovelBot   Feb-12-04 11:23 AM   #31 
     - Amazing that so many of the folks posting gun porn  MrBenchley   Feb-12-04 05:00 PM   #107 
        - Maybe there should be a sliding scale system of loyalty  slackmaster   Feb-12-04 05:13 PM   #110 
        - My check is on the way...  RoeBear   Feb-12-04 05:45 PM   #117 
        - Much like the mental masturbation that occurs daily  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 09:55 PM   #128 
           - The Biggest Problem (As I See It)....  CO Liberal   Feb-12-04 10:06 PM   #129 
              - That knife cuts both ways  alwynsw   Feb-12-04 10:34 PM   #131 
 

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