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Thu Feb-12-04 10:50 AM
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| 19. and we've got criminals running our government |
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and yet you want them to have more power?
makes no sense to me, but hey I'm just some 'ol crank who believes in freedom.
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| -"Myths of Murder" -- junk science in the debate on guns and crime |
NorthernSpy |
Feb-12-04 06:05 AM |
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Thanks for posting this. |
SheilaT |
Feb-12-04 06:24 AM |
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The UK and Australia both have higher crime rates then the US |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 07:07 AM |
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That Still Doesn't Justify America's Obsession With Guns |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 07:34 AM |
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It does show that ... |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 07:41 AM |
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And Neither Does Increased Gun Access |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 09:07 AM |
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If gun control does not affect crime rates, why impose stricter laws??? |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 10:22 AM |
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And Why Make Them Looser??? |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 10:24 AM |
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Because we live in a free society that values individual liberty |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 10:29 AM |
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well said |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 10:40 AM |
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I Do Not Consider Gun Control Needless or Useless |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 10:53 AM |
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you want the government to have too much power |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:15 AM |
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And You Seem to Want The NRA To Have Too Much Power |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 11:17 AM |
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Weird projection on your part (I just want my freedom) |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:21 AM |
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Not to Mention YOUR Feeble Attampts.... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 11:26 AM |
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Feb-12-04 11:28 AM |
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Some gun control makes sense to me |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 11:15 AM |
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they have to continue the smear by association |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:24 AM |
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Perhaps The Desperation... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 11:29 AM |
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Seems somebody failed to notice |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 11:31 AM |
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How is that any different then the VPC's 1n 5 LEO killed lie?? |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 11:33 AM |
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For one thing it's not a lie |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 11:58 AM |
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It is a lie |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 12:03 PM |
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Not even close to true |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 12:05 PM |
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I read the VPC's report |
jimsteuben |
Feb-12-04 12:23 PM |
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Again, not even close to true... |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 12:35 PM |
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Nope |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 12:48 PM |
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Yup.... |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 12:58 PM |
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Nope |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 01:10 PM |
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What else does the RKBA crowd do? |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 03:51 PM |
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The study is incorrect |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 01:16 PM |
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Only to those |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 03:20 PM |
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I have never said ... |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 04:09 PM |
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Tough luck... |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 04:11 PM |
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When did I use a NRA source?? |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 04:20 PM |
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No More Paranoid... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 10:41 PM |
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what is an "assault weapon"? |
jimsteuben |
Feb-12-04 08:01 PM |
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Your desperation is a result of your lame arguements CO |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:33 AM |
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It also stems from the anti-RKBAers' |
Superfly |
Feb-12-04 12:07 PM |
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But Too Many Of Your Fellow Travelers.... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 12:17 PM |
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What in the holy hell are you talking about now? |
Superfly |
Feb-12-04 12:19 PM |
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I, for one, am strongly opposed to stifling anyone's viewpoint |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 01:09 PM |
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And I'm NOT A "Freedom Loving Liberal"??? |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 02:07 PM |
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We know |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 02:23 PM |
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And Stop Trying to Take Away MY Freedom... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 02:28 PM |
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Your freedom to take away my right to own a gun? LOL! |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 02:38 PM |
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My Stating An Opinion On This Board |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 02:48 PM |
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Your opinion is that we should have less freedom |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 02:53 PM |
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My Opinion Is That We Should Have Less Guns... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 04:56 PM |
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and how do you go about doing that? |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 05:09 PM |
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It Doesn't Matter What I Suggest |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 05:12 PM |
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Throw out one proposal... |
RoeBear |
Feb-12-04 05:54 PM |
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What You're Asking For is Impossible |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 09:44 PM |
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And of course... |
RoeBear |
Feb-13-04 07:20 AM |
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Also Impossible |
CO Liberal |
Feb-13-04 09:04 AM |
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Try suggesting... |
beevul |
Feb-12-04 05:56 PM |
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There was never an implication that you are not |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 07:13 PM |
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are you actually saying |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 12:44 PM |
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Let's see here... |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 01:07 PM |
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yes, do let's |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 02:27 PM |
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Yup |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 02:34 PM |
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Feb-12-04 03:01 PM |
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Feb-12-04 03:09 PM |
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really? |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:14 PM |
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I'd say the whole thing |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 03:26 PM |
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no it doesn't |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 12:39 PM |
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Only according to a survey |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 07:46 AM |
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The real truth about the UN International Crime Victim Survey |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 08:45 AM |
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comparing crime rates |
jimsteuben |
Feb-12-04 09:59 AM |
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Too frigging funny... |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 10:03 AM |
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Don't take my "crowd's" word for it |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 10:15 AM |
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Crime in the UK |
jimsteuben |
Feb-12-04 12:18 PM |
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It's the Fraser Institute! |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 02:09 PM |
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where are its champions? |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:13 PM |
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Gee, another far right wing source from the RKBA crowd |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 03:21 PM |
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Don't you understand? |
grower |
Feb-16-04 02:03 PM |
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And Many of the Criminals Use Guns |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 10:14 AM |
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and we've got criminals running our government |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 10:50 AM |
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And those criminals are pushing gun rights |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 11:04 AM |
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so why are you supporting criminals benchly? |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:13 AM |
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Not me, gato....YOU |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 11:20 AM |
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you want to put more power in the hands of John Ashcroft |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:23 AM |
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Not even close to true |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 11:26 AM |
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hey it's your arguements |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:30 AM |
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And you're parroting AshKKKroft's rhetoric |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 12:00 PM |
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Leave my rights alone (My rhetoric nobody else's) |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 12:13 PM |
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Hey, it's AshKKKroft's rhetoric |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 12:22 PM |
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Feb-12-04 02:05 PM |
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Many Pro-Gunners Lost It Years Ago, Gato |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 02:17 PM |
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Feb-12-04 02:25 PM |
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Nor do gun control laws address |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 02:10 PM |
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how many times? |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 12:35 PM |
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Every time someone says that the UK or Australia has a lower crime rate |
Withergyld |
Feb-12-04 03:27 PM |
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oh dear |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:46 PM |
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Feb-12-04 04:49 PM |
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and more evasion |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 05:26 PM |
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Feb-13-04 10:05 AM |
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Pretty weak attack on survey methodology |
slackmaster |
Feb-13-04 10:10 AM |
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The unfortunate issue here is simple |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 07:42 AM |
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Quite right |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 12:35 PM |
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can you footnote that? |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 02:20 PM |
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Do you disagree? |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 02:23 PM |
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sorry, I asked first |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:20 PM |
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Opinions of guns is germane to the whole discussion |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 03:28 PM |
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actually, it's completely and utterly irrelevant to the discussion |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:57 PM |
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Generalizations are not only allowed |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 04:08 PM |
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Without broad generalizations and distortion |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 04:13 PM |
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the gun grabbers would be out of work |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 04:15 PM |
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yes indeedy |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 04:42 PM |
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Holy smokes |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 05:19 PM |
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but the standard definition |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 05:32 PM |
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As Bench would say |
Columbia |
Feb-12-04 05:39 PM |
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we can "discuss" whatever we want to |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 04:17 PM |
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to what imaginary friend are you speaking? |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 05:15 PM |
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Mr. Imaginary here! |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 06:46 PM |
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"I don't like or dislike anyone's choice of what to discuss... |
RoeBear |
Feb-12-04 08:07 PM |
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gee, you're right |
iverglas |
Feb-13-04 07:49 AM |
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well Iver Judging by the gun-control poll from yesterday |
el_gato |
Feb-13-04 10:08 AM |
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boolshite |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 02:17 PM |
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I prefer the good ol' American bullshit |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 09:22 PM |
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Hey, I think the immigration thing is... |
MrSandman |
Feb-12-04 09:28 PM |
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So I've heard |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 10:11 PM |
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armed citizens |
jimsteuben |
Feb-12-04 10:11 AM |
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Damn! The gun grabbers are getting spanked today! |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 10:18 AM |
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wot a very bizarre thing to say |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 03:27 PM |
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you seem a little defensive and testy today |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 04:14 PM |
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I'll be waiting |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 05:35 PM |
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debaters on all sides of many issues can gain perspective from the article |
NorthernSpy |
Feb-12-04 05:00 PM |
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the big fraud perpetrated by the gun grabbers (have gun = nugent lover) |
el_gato |
Feb-12-04 11:18 AM |
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Well said |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 11:23 AM |
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you need to work that equation out again |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 04:19 PM |
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Feb-12-04 04:39 PM |
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then perhaps you can direct me to one |
iverglas |
Feb-12-04 05:47 PM |
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Feb-13-04 10:12 AM |
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## Support Democratic Underground! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Feb-12-04 11:23 AM |
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Amazing that so many of the folks posting gun porn |
MrBenchley |
Feb-12-04 05:00 PM |
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Maybe there should be a sliding scale system of loyalty |
slackmaster |
Feb-12-04 05:13 PM |
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My check is on the way... |
RoeBear |
Feb-12-04 05:45 PM |
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Much like the mental masturbation that occurs daily |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 09:55 PM |
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The Biggest Problem (As I See It).... |
CO Liberal |
Feb-12-04 10:06 PM |
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That knife cuts both ways |
alwynsw |
Feb-12-04 10:34 PM |
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