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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:58 AM
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4. Guns (in the hands of qualified citizens) as a solution to guns (in the hands of criminals)... Yup.
You often hear the "Guns as a solution to guns?!?" snark put forth by people that want to decrease the number of firearms out there. It's an interesting observation and, at face valve, does not pass the logic test - how can more guns possibly be a solution? But upon further observation it makes sense with a few qualifiers.

Lets look at antineoplastics for a moment. Antineoplastics are poisons designed to kill. Used improperly, carelessly, or maliciously they can severely injure or kill people. Used correctly, they present a decent chance at curing people from cancer - chemotherapy. Antineoplastics are nothing more than a tool to fight cancer when used properly... a deadly agent used to combat another deadly agent with steep associated risks.

Firearms, used improperly, carelessly, or maliciously can severely injure or kill people. Used correctly, they present a decent chance at preventing grievous bodily injury or death - self defense. Firearms, in the hands of trained law-abiding people, are nothing more than a tool to fight crime. They are tool to equalize the force between an assailant and a victim. Guns, in the hands of qualified citizens, have positive externalities on safety and security.

The problem with attacking gun violence using legislation against the tool is that the law will disproportionately change the actions of those willing to obey the law. The tool is not the problem... the intent (the criminals) are the problem. Said otherwise, anti-gun legislation will handcuff the positive externalities of firearms in the hopes that the negative externalities can be mitigated. That is not sound logic which is further backed up by failed prohibition of illicit items in America and failed gun control around the globe. Legislation efforts to attack criminal possession of firearms - without infringing on the rights of the other 96%+ of the gun-owning population is perfectly acceptable.

"Guns (in the hands of qualified citizens) as a solution to guns (in the hands of criminals)" does make sense.
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  -Shooting at Kennewick home was self defense GreenStormCloud  Mar-07-11 08:24 AM   #0 
  - The intruder was carrying a gun, and was emboldened to commit the crime because of it.  sharesunited   Mar-07-11 08:49 AM   #1 
  - +1  jpak   Mar-07-11 08:52 AM   #2 
  - Guns (in the hands of qualified citizens) as a solution to guns (in the hands of criminals)... Yup.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Mar-07-11 08:58 AM   #4 
  - "guns as a solution to guns"  guitar man   Mar-07-11 10:27 AM   #13 
  - And committing an armed crime is against the law. Shows you how well firearms...  Maine_Nurse   Mar-07-11 09:14 AM   #8 
  - Taking wagers now that the intruder's gun was NOT home made.  sharesunited   Mar-07-11 09:21 AM   #9 
     - I'm sure you are correct, but it easily could be if real he couldn't get a real one.  Maine_Nurse   Mar-07-11 10:18 AM   #12 
     - Home made guns aren't necessary  Kennah   Mar-07-11 01:17 PM   #22 
  - You are fogetting the rules  ProgressiveProfessor   Mar-07-11 09:46 AM   #10 
  - What else would be a solution to guns?  Atypical Liberal   Mar-07-11 10:56 AM   #20 
  - Mad Ninja Skillz as a solution to intruder with gun?  speltwon   Mar-07-11 02:30 PM   #25 
  - Perhaps, but the armed homeowner UNemboldened him, now didn't he?  cleanhippie   Mar-07-11 01:20 PM   #23 
  - I wonder what other weapons could have emboldened him?  PavePusher   Mar-07-11 02:32 PM   #26 
  - Score another point...  Texas_Uber_Alles   Mar-07-11 08:55 AM   #3 
  - We have guns  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-07-11 08:59 AM   #5 
     - More civilized? The violent crime rate in the UK is higher than in the US. nt  TheWraith   Mar-07-11 09:01 AM   #6 
     - Rapes, flash mobs, and knifings don't count... only evil gun crime... duh!  OneTenthofOnePercent   Mar-07-11 09:08 AM   #7 
     - Like I keep saying  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-08-11 05:49 AM   #30 
        - "you crazy fuckers"  PavePusher   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #32 
        - Lets be pleasant about this now.....  oneshooter   Mar-08-11 07:18 AM   #33 
        - You'd rather fight off an attack by a knife-wielding thug with your 'fisty cuffs'?  AtheistCrusader   Mar-08-11 08:23 AM   #34 
     - And how many homicides?  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-08-11 05:46 AM   #29 
     - Really? I lived there for 7 1/2 years and in that time was a victim of crime....  PavePusher   Mar-07-11 02:35 PM   #27 
        - Was you shot?  Boudica the Lyoness   Mar-08-11 05:43 AM   #28 
           - Being shot is not the only way to be injured or killed.  PavePusher   Mar-08-11 05:49 AM   #31 
           - You know even the police shoot people with knives right?  AtheistCrusader   Mar-08-11 08:24 AM   #35 
  - Too bad you guys are quick to dismiss cases like Loughner when promoting gun carrying.  Hoyt   Mar-07-11 10:10 AM   #11 
  - This thread isn't about legally carrying guns in public  slackmaster   Mar-07-11 10:30 AM   #14 
  - Yes, comparing someone like Loughner to people legally permitted to carry a firearm...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Mar-07-11 10:33 AM   #16 
  - Do REALLY believe the Loughner would have left his gun at home if it had been illegal? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Mar-07-11 12:24 PM   #21 
  - Actually, it's you anti-carry people who forget about people like Loughner and the intruder in  petronius   Mar-07-11 10:34 AM   #17 
  - Naw, anti-carry people are just tired of propaganda from folks who can't leave home without a gun.  Hoyt   Mar-07-11 10:39 AM   #18 
     - When you're too tired to think straight or stay on topic, you should probably log off and take a nap  petronius   Mar-07-11 10:48 AM   #19 
  - Too bad every one of your talking points is old and busted.  cleanhippie   Mar-07-11 01:23 PM   #24 
  - That's the thing. You'll never know that I'm carrying, until and unless  AtheistCrusader   Mar-08-11 08:26 AM   #36 
  - Another victory for those who believe in civil liberties.,.  Upton   Mar-07-11 10:31 AM   #15 

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