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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-11 09:34 AM
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5. I used the word "credible" as a shorthand for the standard legal definition.
For the shooting to be self-defense the defender must show that the attacker had:

MEANS, the attacker had the ability inflicting death or grievous bodily harm

OPPORTUNITY The attacker had an immediate chance to inflict death or grievous bodily harm

MOTIVE The attacker had a desire to inflict death or grievous bodily harm

DEMONSTRATION OF INTENT The attacker did something to indicate that a violent attack was imminent.

All of the above is subject to the "reasonable man" standard. The District Attorney, Judge, Grand Jury, and possible a regular jury decide if it was reasonable.

BTW - Horn did not merely think the two guys were burglars. He observed them in the act.
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  -Iowa: Stand Your Ground Legislation Passes in the House Public Safety Committee shadowrider  Mar-03-11 07:42 AM   #0 
  - So if someone open carries a gun & someone feels intimidated by them, they can just start shooting?  jpak   Mar-03-11 08:00 AM   #1 
  - No. The same self defense rules as always apply.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-03-11 08:34 AM   #2 
  - Who determines "credible"? What statutes define "credible"? There are none - insanity  jpak   Mar-03-11 08:42 AM   #3 
     - I used the word "credible" as a shorthand for the standard legal definition.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-03-11 09:34 AM   #5 
     - Actually no  speltwon   Mar-03-11 12:07 PM   #9 
        - OK. Thanks for the post.  GreenStormCloud   Mar-03-11 12:47 PM   #10 
           - Thx. otoh to quote Dirty Harry on intent  speltwon   Mar-03-11 12:51 PM   #11 
     - It is a judgment call that can be second guessed, and if the people doing it are anti rights  ProgressiveProfessor   Mar-03-11 09:59 AM   #6 
        - So after the Monday Morning QBs decide on what is 'credible" the dead victims get ther lives back?  jpak   Mar-03-11 09:02 PM   #12 
           - You mean perps, not victims  ProgressiveProfessor   Mar-03-11 11:25 PM   #13 
  - Being intentionally disingenuous on the internet is a very old game...  PavePusher   Mar-03-11 11:00 AM   #8 
  - Emboldened with a gun and an attitude is no way to go through life son.  sharesunited   Mar-03-11 08:52 AM   #4 
     - Neither is being anti working man and anti civil rights  ProgressiveProfessor   Mar-03-11 09:59 AM   #7 

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