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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-11 01:26 PM
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56. The world without guns *was* more dangerous. Look at Late Medieval murder rates...
in Western Europe- they made the South Bronx of the 1970s look like Sunnybrook Farm. The only guns they had were a few cannon.


And your assertion that "Carrying a gun just ups the ante" is unsupported by evidence. Florida and Texas track crimes

committed by handgun permit holders, and they tend to be far more law abiding than the public at large.
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  -Running count of gun deaths goes on tour-FixGunChecks.org-Mayors against illegal guns RamboLiberal  Feb-16-11 01:47 PM   #0 
  - But Americans think 34 gun murders a day are worth it! Carry on dying!  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 01:50 PM   #1 
  - 40 million firearm owners killed no one today.  Atypical Liberal   Feb-16-11 02:20 PM   #8 
  - You may enjoy Russian roulette with the nation's guns. Some of us do not.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 02:28 PM   #9 
  - Punishment.  Atypical Liberal   Feb-16-11 02:56 PM   #13 
  - Would a society without cars or booze be a punishment?  Common Sense Party   Feb-16-11 02:57 PM   #14 
  - Responsible ownership is a punishment?  onehandle   Feb-16-11 06:00 PM   #20 
     - Define "responsible".  Atypical Liberal   Feb-17-11 09:02 AM   #43 
  - Americans also think 50 alcohol-related car crash deaths a day are worth it!  Common Sense Party   Feb-16-11 02:55 PM   #12 
  - Yeah we tried restricting alcohol - that worked real well  RamboLiberal   Feb-16-11 04:27 PM   #15 
  - My focus is on removing the ability of some people to act upon their intention to end other people.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 07:21 PM   #32 
  - Most murder victims are themselves criminals.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-16-11 04:47 PM   #17 
     - Not that you'd know from most news reports  Euromutt   Feb-16-11 09:48 PM   #33 
        - Blame the media is Ultra Beck. Do you want to be known by how Ultra Beck you are?  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 09:56 PM   #34 
        - True. From the same article, this paragraph:  GreenStormCloud   Feb-17-11 08:47 AM   #39 
  - be interesting in what types of deaths are lumped in this...  ileus   Feb-16-11 01:51 PM   #2 
  - Presumably, it does not include permanently maimed and crippled.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 01:56 PM   #3 
  - How many unresisted rapes, gay-bashings and violent stalkers are acceptable?  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-16-11 02:53 PM   #11 
  - None. Why add gun crimes among those offenses?  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 05:20 PM   #18 
     - Why would you criminalize people defending themselves from  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-16-11 05:25 PM   #19 
        - Only because the menace of guns and ammo in the hands of the public snuffs out innocents.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 06:34 PM   #23 
           - Do you consider criminals to be "the public" deserving of an equal place  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-16-11 06:36 PM   #24 
           - I am very vigilent about lawful gun owners suddenly going rogue and having their fellows  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 06:40 PM   #25 
           - So what is the breakdown on people who buy guns for legit reasons  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-16-11 06:48 PM   #26 
           - You are not thinking with the breadth of probability with which the real world presents society.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 07:06 PM   #28 
           - I asked a simple question  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-16-11 07:12 PM   #29 
              - I conceded that this is perhaps least likely to occur among female gun owners.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 07:16 PM   #30 
           - You say "If someone, however, chooses to live outside society's rules  Starboard Tack   Feb-17-11 01:54 PM   #48 
              - There are many ways to defend yourself without using a gun.  rrneck   Feb-17-11 03:16 PM   #49 
                 - If you are really interested you might start here  Starboard Tack   Feb-17-11 06:49 PM   #51 
                    - LOL!  rrneck   Feb-17-11 07:50 PM   #52 
                       - Thanks for making my point  Starboard Tack   Feb-17-11 08:30 PM   #53 
                          - What point was that?  rrneck   Feb-17-11 08:47 PM   #54 
                             - Look, I really don't want to get into a pissing contest with you  Starboard Tack   Feb-18-11 12:47 PM   #55 
                                - The world without guns *was* more dangerous. Look at Late Medieval murder rates...  friendly_iconoclast   Feb-18-11 01:26 PM   #56 
                                - How about Western Europe today?  Starboard Tack   Feb-18-11 02:25 PM   #57 
                                   - If I could live in any city in the world  rrneck   Feb-18-11 03:57 PM   #59 
                                - Actually...  rrneck   Feb-18-11 03:28 PM   #58 
                                   - Very well said  Starboard Tack   Feb-18-11 05:42 PM   #60 
                                      - It is refreshing  rrneck   Feb-18-11 07:40 PM   #61 
           - That very rarely happens. Usually a murderer has a violent past.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-17-11 08:53 AM   #40 
           - Are you willing to own every victim that couldn't defend themselves...  GreenStormCloud   Feb-17-11 08:55 AM   #41 
           - Until or unless they have been convicted before a jury of their peers  RSillsbee   Feb-16-11 07:20 PM   #31 
              - You're out of step then, Roscoe. Because EVERYONE knows a nut who shouldn't be armed.  sharesunited   Feb-16-11 11:57 PM   #37 
                 - Why is taking the lead in disarming innocent people easier for you?  Nuclear Unicorn   Feb-17-11 10:31 AM   #44 
                    - Because it's easier to accomplish the easy and ineffective than the difficult and effective.  Glassunion   Feb-17-11 11:35 AM   #45 
                       - And people always ask .................."How do you do it ? "  Katya Mullethov   Feb-17-11 12:05 PM   #46 
           - Snuffs...Snuffy? Is that you?  beevul   Feb-17-11 12:05 AM   #38 
  - But it most likely includes those killed in legitimate self defense  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-17-11 05:03 PM   #50 
  - GUN deaths!  Starboard Tack   Feb-16-11 02:02 PM   #4 
     - Not to the gun. nt  rrneck   Feb-16-11 02:10 PM   #5 
     - Actually, yes it does.  S_B_Jackson   Feb-16-11 02:12 PM   #6 
     - Probably includes self defense and police shootings as well  DonP   Feb-16-11 02:17 PM   #7 
     - No it doesn't  russ1943   Feb-16-11 06:03 PM   #21 
     - Yes, very much.  GreenStormCloud   Feb-17-11 09:01 AM   #42 
  - Fixing gun background checks makes more sense than banning magazines ...  spin   Feb-16-11 02:52 PM   #10 
  - +1000 - agree on all you said  RamboLiberal   Feb-16-11 04:28 PM   #16 
  - Oh the irony! Jesus is facepalming... right now.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Feb-16-11 06:05 PM   #22 
  - The delicious part?  Starboard Tack   Feb-16-11 07:02 PM   #27 
  - Didn't they used to do this under the name of...  beevul   Feb-16-11 10:59 PM   #35 
  - Bloomberg on tour.  Remmah2   Feb-17-11 12:36 PM   #47 
  - criminal mayors against your rights to own guns. criminals support gun control so it makes sense.  lawodevolution   Feb-16-11 11:03 PM   #36 
 

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