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lepus Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:35 PM
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22. No, just considering that the richest one percent in NY and Mass
are quite a bit richer than the richest one percent in Maine and Vermont or for that matter, most any state except possibly California.

Manhattan's upper east side had an average per capita income of $90,000 in 2000 and we are not even getting to the uber rich. The rest of New York City had an average per capita income of about $20,000 in comparison. NY state average is about $40,000.

David Koch of NYC was worth about 17 billion dollars in 2007. He had more personal wealth than the poorest 1.5 million people in NYC put together. Of the top 400 richest people in the world, 72 of them live in New York.

While Vermont and Maine have their rich folk, they do not have anything like the super rich of New York and Massachusetts.

No I am not throwing out statistics I don't like, I'm just pointing out that raw statistics can be very misleading.

Remove the one percenters and NY compares a lot closer to Maine for average income.
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  - AZ Republic: Arizona's gun-death rate among the worst in U.S. RamboLiberal  Jan-27-11 05:55 PM   #0 
  - Gun advocates will not believe it  CreekDog   Jan-27-11 05:59 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-27-11 06:01 PM   #2 
  - here are some facts, nations with High gun ownership rates have 5 times lower murder rate  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:22 PM   #8 
  - california murder rate data inside, hope this is not inconvenient for you  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:16 PM   #5 
  - and what does one state's murder rate show?  CreekDog   Jan-27-11 06:28 PM   #9 
     - nothing but  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:33 PM   #11 
     - how about grouping states?  CreekDog   Jan-27-11 06:39 PM   #14 
        - I'm not really cherrypicking, there is a trend in the whole northeast area  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:43 PM   #15 
        - You refuse to look at 50 states, YES YOU ARE cherrypicking --oh and your diagram is wrong:  CreekDog   Jan-27-11 07:37 PM   #17 
           - get rid of the top one percenters and I imagine the income rates will match much better.  lepus   Jan-27-11 07:49 PM   #18 
              - throwing out statistics you don't like?  CreekDog   Jan-27-11 07:51 PM   #19 
                 - No, just considering that the richest one percent in NY and Mass  lepus   Jan-27-11 09:35 PM   #22 
                    - because you don't like a gun control argument, we have to throw out numbers that you don't like  CreekDog   Jan-28-11 12:21 AM   #27 
                       - Like the one percenters of either state go gang banging  lepus   Jan-28-11 06:56 AM   #28 
        - How about looking at the problem where the problem actually exists.  beevul   Jan-27-11 09:45 PM   #23 
     - So......  clffrdjk   Jan-27-11 08:10 PM   #20 
  - Keep in mind that we are also astride one of the busiest drug and people smuggling routes...  PavePusher   Jan-27-11 09:34 PM   #21 
  - No. We'll just point out that looking only at gun deaths gives an incomplete picture  Euromutt   Jan-27-11 10:17 PM   #24 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-27-11 06:04 PM   #3 
  - But, but, but....that can't be true.  TheCowsCameHome   Jan-27-11 06:07 PM   #4 
  - over the same time period in california 1999-2007, murder rates were never below 6.0 but were as  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:18 PM   #6 
  - Arizona has more than its share of gang violence thanks to the War On (some) Drugs  slackmaster   Jan-27-11 06:21 PM   #7 
  - Includes police shootings?  DissedByBush   Jan-27-11 06:31 PM   #10 
  - Guns are innocent kittens on the back of fluffy bunnies. nt  onehandle   Jan-27-11 06:34 PM   #12 
  - Dildos are innocent kittens on the back of fluffy bunnies  lawodevolution   Jan-27-11 06:45 PM   #16 
     - Kittens use dildos on the backs of innocent bunnies  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-28-11 10:12 AM   #29 
  - And yet...  beevul   Jan-27-11 06:37 PM   #13 
  - "Overall, violent-crime rates in Arizona are not far from rates for the U.S. as a whole..."  Euromutt   Jan-27-11 10:32 PM   #25 
  - +1. It's not as if you're *deader* when killed with a gun v. other means.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-28-11 11:07 AM   #30 
  - Speaking of cherry-picking data:  mvccd1000   Jan-27-11 11:50 PM   #26 
  - And that doesn't include the deaths from AZ guns smuggled into Mexico  jpak   Mar-01-11 12:32 PM   #31 
  - and that doesn't include the deaths from AZ guns smuggled into Mexico  jpak   Mar-01-11 12:33 PM   #32 

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