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Wed Jan-19-11 10:38 AM
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Just try to break in a new pistol w/that amount, LOL.
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| -BREAKING NEWS: California Court Rules Ammunition Ban AB962 Unconstitutional |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-19-11 10:05 AM |
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There will be appeals and the anti will certainly pass another ban |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-19-11 10:06 AM |
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Governor Brown's biggest problem is the state budget. |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 10:10 AM |
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Even though some state pols found the money for fighting the suit. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:22 PM |
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IBMG |
cleanhippie |
Jan-19-11 10:06 AM |
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Partial Dupe |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-19-11 10:07 AM |
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Good. It was a dumb law that would have cost the state many millions in sales tax revenue |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 10:09 AM |
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Yikes! |
Dappleganger |
Jan-19-11 10:38 AM |
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No shit. My 1911 wasn't 100% reliable until I had put about 2,000 rounds through it |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 10:41 AM |
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guns make us less safe, not more |
CreekDog |
Jan-19-11 11:22 AM |
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The issue isn't guns |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 12:03 PM |
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Actually, guns don't "make" people safe, they... |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:24 PM |
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guns provide more illusion of safety than actual safety |
CreekDog |
Jan-20-11 02:33 AM |
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So are there no defensive gun uses? 800,000 a year? 1.5 million a year? |
DonP |
Jan-20-11 09:25 AM |
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I'll raise ya (and cite) to 2.5 million times a year. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-20-11 03:56 PM |
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did not say there were "no" defensive uses, they are just outweighed by the danger they add |
CreekDog |
Jan-20-11 08:47 PM |
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There are ~400,000 uses of guns in crime each year.. (per DOJ BJS) |
X_Digger |
Jan-20-11 09:05 PM |
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Bzzzzzt. WrongOh. Please check here: |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-20-11 09:09 PM |
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cite the last peer reviewed study that bolstered gun control that you believe valid |
CreekDog |
Jan-20-11 09:27 PM |
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Why? How about you cite the last peer reviewed study that bolstered gun rights that YOU |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-20-11 09:29 PM |
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i'm willing to accept the data analysis of a study with respect to bolstered gun rights |
CreekDog |
Jan-20-11 10:24 PM |
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I note that you do not refute any of the peer reviewed information. How telling is that? |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-20-11 09:31 PM |
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The ban on mail order was largely an attempt to pull that revenue back into the state. |
Xithras |
Jan-19-11 11:44 AM |
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I was going to reply, "Where's your sarcasm tag?" but then I read |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 10:23 AM |
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they should ban Amazon |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-19-11 10:25 AM |
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you obviously didn't read up on the issue |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:25 AM |
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You're correct, I haven't read up on the issue. My take is solely based |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 10:40 AM |
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Your opinion as a potential target or accidental recipient of fired rounds is good enough for me. |
sharesunited |
Jan-19-11 11:46 AM |
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For me also. I regard ANY measures to limit or ban this damnable shit as a good thing. |
calimary |
Jan-19-11 01:18 PM |
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This decision won't increase the availability of guns or of ammunition |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 01:29 PM |
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Should not be too difficult to make law clear. The pro-gunners will claim it's vague no matter what |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 11:03 AM |
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You're not allowed to drive to the state next door and buy all the Sudafed you want. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-19-11 12:06 PM |
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Actually, remember one Wal Mart denied Loughner bullet because of the way he was acting. |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 01:33 PM |
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Yes, but this law would do nothing to stop either of them. |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 04:30 PM |
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Absurd? Yet it happened at the first store -- the clerk said he acted strange, so no ammo. |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 05:45 PM |
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So, in the second store, maybe he acted non-crazy to ensure the sale. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-19-11 06:06 PM |
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OK -- waiting period for ammo or something. But, what's a few lives compared to unconvincing toters. |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 06:19 PM |
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Jan-19-11 06:49 PM |
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You'd become a Republican because you could not get bullets on demand? Sad. |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 06:56 PM |
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I would rather be a Democrat with elected officials. I can and do make bullets on demand. - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 07:01 PM |
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Yep ... and note: "We made them do it!" . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 03:52 PM |
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I really doubt you will find that many Democrats who live/breath guns and public toting. |
Hoyt |
Jan-20-11 04:33 PM |
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He bought it legally and face to face. It made no difference. |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 06:09 PM |
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Less "passion" when you are talking packing in public is a GOOD thing. |
Hoyt |
Jan-19-11 06:20 PM |
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LMAOROTF - So now you prefer that it be sold on line. - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 06:24 PM |
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No, those reports haven't been backed up.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-19-11 07:24 PM |
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What is the exact legal definition for |
rl6214 |
Jan-20-11 10:46 PM |
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Agreed. The DU gun lobby doesn't, though /nt |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 10:26 AM |
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so you believe unconstutionally vague legislation |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:31 AM |
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I think the appalling 2nd Amendment should be repealed /nt |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 10:41 AM |
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but even if we didnt have a 2A |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:54 AM |
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Got it |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 11:18 AM |
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It's a GOPs/NRA issue and a right wing win -- celebrate!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 01:58 PM |
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or |
gejohnston |
Jan-19-11 12:37 PM |
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Sometimes Burke sounds just right! |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 01:14 PM |
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Then repeal it. Pretending it doesn't exist is hardly Democratic. n/t. |
Statistical |
Jan-19-11 04:04 PM |
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"Public health perspective?" Then you may wish to... |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:32 PM |
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What are you referring to? |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 07:35 PM |
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Is this the study you are referring to? |
Bragi |
Jan-19-11 07:45 PM |
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Hello Steve M, any response? |
Bragi |
Jan-20-11 07:40 AM |
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You may agree with Alan Dershowitz... |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:29 PM |
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Go for it. An amendment can be blocked by any 13 states. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-19-11 09:01 PM |
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Of course an amendment isn't viable |
Bragi |
Jan-20-11 06:03 AM |
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It's a bad bill... |
Dappleganger |
Jan-19-11 10:40 AM |
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... |
elleng |
Jan-19-11 10:45 AM |
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it was the right decision |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:24 AM |
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Thanks for explaining. I am not a gun owner although I'm from a family |
snappyturtle |
Jan-19-11 10:30 AM |
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Seems to me mail order would be *less* dangerous |
Lance_Boyle |
Jan-19-11 10:32 AM |
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JADP - Ammunition is never shipped by mail |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 10:33 AM |
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buying ammo online and shipping it to yourself |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:35 AM |
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A bullet is dirt cheap -- 20 cents? -- vs a human life ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 02:07 PM |
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It's going to cost him the rest of his life |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 03:14 PM |
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Well, it may be worth only $3.80. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:34 PM |
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Agree X 2. |
elleng |
Jan-19-11 10:46 AM |
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and .22 lr is the *only* way to take target practice economically |
Lance_Boyle |
Jan-19-11 10:31 AM |
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'Unconstitutionally vague' can be remedied, and shouldn't be difficult, imo. |
elleng |
Jan-19-11 10:43 AM |
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in some cases...but not in this case |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:53 AM |
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Gotcha, so its difficult for technical reasons relating to use? |
elleng |
Jan-19-11 11:14 AM |
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Actually, the language could just be broadened. |
Xithras |
Jan-19-11 11:53 AM |
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If I remember right, |
gejohnston |
Jan-19-11 12:27 PM |
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Correct. You have to be over 21 years old to buy handgun ammunition anywhere in the USA. |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 12:33 PM |
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The age requirement wouldn't simply be to check your age. |
Xithras |
Jan-19-11 03:23 PM |
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You're right: it is "reasonable to assume drafters didn't know about this..." |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:37 PM |
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Awww crap. |
Xithras |
Jan-19-11 11:01 AM |
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then why can't California wine be shipped to many states? |
DBoon |
Jan-19-11 11:18 AM |
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Simple. |
Xithras |
Jan-19-11 11:50 AM |
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You shouldn't. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-19-11 11:57 AM |
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The 21st Amendment Repealed The 18th Amendment |
hardluck |
Jan-19-11 02:00 PM |
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This, actually, isn't different than restrictions on the 2nd |
pipoman |
Jan-19-11 08:57 PM |
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Actually, if California is similar to Georgia, you can order it |
shadowrider |
Jan-19-11 04:31 PM |
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There are few states with laws on alcohol as screwed up as Kansas |
pipoman |
Jan-19-11 09:07 PM |
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Jan-19-11 11:34 AM |
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I'd just load my own. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-19-11 11:58 AM |
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No, reloading supplies were also baned by this insane law. - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 03:07 PM |
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K&R-Evidently judges have some sense, even in California-Good ruling. |
old mark |
Jan-19-11 11:45 AM |
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Jan-19-11 12:05 PM |
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Jan-19-11 12:23 PM |
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Awesome! |
Ter |
Jan-19-11 12:59 PM |
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Seems that the aggression of the GOPs/NRA continues on and on ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 01:55 PM |
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This law wouldn't have done anything to reduce violence |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 02:04 PM |
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All it would have done |
Abq_Sarah |
Jan-19-11 02:38 PM |
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It would have resulted in a lot of people hoarding ammunition. |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 04:49 PM |
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One big feature of this is the SALES advantage -- buying in bulk -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 09:19 PM |
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Bulk |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 10:38 PM |
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"Straw Man" was an excellent choice ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:53 PM |
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So you really DON'T want to make ammo more expensive? |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 11:29 PM |
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I'd make guns free and bullets a million $ a piece ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 04:16 PM |
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So not a straw man at at all. Thanks. |
Straw Man |
Jan-20-11 10:11 PM |
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Well, here are the problems with your outlook... |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:46 PM |
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The cost. |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 08:05 PM |
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Right ... Laughner could have killed 6 and wounded a total of 19 ... with his bare hands -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 09:21 PM |
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Moore said "a human life"... |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 09:52 PM |
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The point Moore is making and I'm making is how cheaply a human life can be taken ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:05 PM |
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Cheaply? |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 10:24 PM |
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The "triviality" is the concentration on what's good for the GOPs/NRA and gun lobby ... rather than |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:51 PM |
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"Life is cheap" is a metaphor: it's not about the price of ammo. |
Straw Man |
Jan-19-11 11:19 PM |
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Guns and bullets make "life cheap" -- or cheapen all our lives however you want to phrase it... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 12:03 AM |
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I prefer to blame the murderer. |
Straw Man |
Jan-20-11 12:13 AM |
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The murderer had a gun -- it was a shooting -- of 19 people -- 6 dead .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 12:20 AM |
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The murderer had a gun |
Straw Man |
Jan-20-11 08:56 AM |
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When you can kill 6 and wound 19 from a distance with $3.80 worth of bullets .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 03:48 PM |
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Question on the Poll, since you did not provide a link... |
Glassunion |
Jan-20-11 03:52 PM |
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Here you go -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 04:02 PM |
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actually |
timo |
Jan-20-11 09:47 PM |
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did LA just have a school shooting? |
florida08 |
Jan-19-11 02:32 PM |
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I'd like to see basic gun safety taught in public schools |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 02:58 PM |
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that's actually a good idea |
florida08 |
Jan-19-11 03:06 PM |
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I have seen this done very successfully in High School. |
BrightKnight |
Jan-19-11 03:47 PM |
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here's some info about who and what can be purchased online |
florida08 |
Jan-19-11 02:59 PM |
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The list of cities includes Los Angeles, where the accidental school shooting you mentioned occurred |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 03:03 PM |
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yes.. |
florida08 |
Jan-19-11 03:07 PM |
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While I agree with you concerning safety and responsibility... |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:49 PM |
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Newsflash. Guns Sales Sites are not News Sites. nt |
onehandle |
Jan-19-11 03:50 PM |
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I alerted. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jan-19-11 03:56 PM |
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LOL! |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 04:14 PM |
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Oh well, in that case then, it didn't happen. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-19-11 05:51 PM |
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WOW I guess you folks can stop hoarding now.... |
DainBramaged |
Jan-19-11 03:54 PM |
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Oh, I need some Rem Oil. Thanks for reminding me. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-19-11 04:52 PM |
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Nobody needs that much Rem Oil. |
Straw Man |
Jan-21-11 10:42 PM |
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California owned by the second amendment. Very good news. |
lawodevolution |
Jan-19-11 11:13 PM |
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Bravo California...well done... |
Xela |
Jan-20-11 08:57 AM |
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Did they include an apology of any kind? Any one of them notice Arizona? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-20-11 03:56 PM |
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The decision was based on California state law and well-established precedent |
slackmaster |
Jan-20-11 04:16 PM |
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Apology for what? n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-20-11 04:22 PM |
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Whaaaaaaargarble!! |
X_Digger |
Jan-20-11 04:30 PM |
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just so people understand why this is very important |
lawodevolution |
Jan-21-11 02:51 PM |
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