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Sun Jan-16-11 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
| 92. Any you complian about so called propoganda? |
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HIPPA and other health privacy laws as well as lawsuits have strongly discouraged people from forcing the mentally ill to get treatment. Somehow you hold those in support of self defense gun ownership responsible for that.
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| -What do you consider "Sensible gun control"? (Read the post before responding) |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 08:22 AM |
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IBTM.. |
Fumesucker |
Jan-16-11 08:25 AM |
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LOL ... Well said .... |
Trajan |
Jan-16-11 08:48 AM |
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Ask a police officer who is outgunned on the street and get back to me. |
mmonk |
Jan-16-11 08:26 AM |
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Few police are out gunned here in CA |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 08:33 AM |
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Police officers have access to firearms the public cannot buy... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-16-11 08:35 AM |
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You can check. |
mmonk |
Jan-16-11 08:41 AM |
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I didn't see any axamples... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-16-11 08:50 AM |
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A brief perusal showed no instances where criminals had access... |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:43 AM |
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Police Offices can buy NIB fully automatic weapons from the manufacturers |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 08:45 AM |
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The ability to buy them is different than every beat officer carrying one. |
mmonk |
Jan-16-11 09:17 AM |
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If police departments want officers carrying automatic rifles, departments would purchase them. nt |
bluestate10 |
Jan-16-11 09:19 AM |
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And since no-one is carrying them in public... |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:39 AM |
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I haven't seen a police car without an AR-15 or similar in it |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-16-11 12:14 PM |
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Yes, if they don't have them it is because they choose to make it that way |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 01:58 PM |
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There were fewer cops killed ITLOD last year than any year since 1956 |
Recursion |
Jan-16-11 09:15 AM |
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Outgunned police? |
notesdev |
Jan-16-11 09:57 AM |
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I saw the Redmond PD tank getting new shoes at Les Schwab Tires one afternoon. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-16-11 12:07 PM |
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Look at you, falling for the media spin hook line and sinker. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-16-11 12:06 PM |
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What do you consider "reasonable regulations"? |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jan-16-11 08:29 AM |
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Gun crimes beng punished with full terms. |
Tejas |
Jan-16-11 08:59 AM |
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I meant in terms of what a person should be allowed to legally own. |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jan-16-11 09:55 AM |
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My bad, was trying to |
Tejas |
Jan-16-11 11:58 AM |
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This is something that interests me too. |
NewMoonTherian |
Jan-16-11 07:08 PM |
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If it's on theT O &E for an 11 Bravo I want one NT |
RSillsbee |
Jan-16-11 11:36 AM |
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Well can we start the discussion without injecting NRA propaganda ? |
Vinnie From Indy |
Jan-16-11 08:31 AM |
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False as to fact |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 08:34 AM |
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And how exactly would the OP know that? |
Vinnie From Indy |
Jan-16-11 08:44 AM |
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The OP asked for a debate, not a flame. |
bluestate10 |
Jan-16-11 09:26 AM |
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You are exactly correct. Discussion is required, |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:29 AM |
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Would that discussion also include the examination and explanation of facts |
Vinnie From Indy |
Jan-16-11 09:40 AM |
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The NRA helped write and pass the current federal laws |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-16-11 12:10 PM |
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Any you complian about so called propoganda? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 12:30 PM |
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His post didn't state as fact that anyone wants to grant the mentally unbalanced access to firearms |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 08:54 AM |
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but they are utterly unwilling to put up with any inconvenience |
dsc |
Jan-16-11 09:21 AM |
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Yours is the definitive post on this thread. Nothing more needs to be said. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 08:49 AM |
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Block people adjudicated mentally unfit from buying guns |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 08:51 AM |
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In this regard, the OP has a point. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 08:55 AM |
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That is the problem with considering people innocent until proven guilty |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 08:59 AM |
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I, too, want a single payer health care system, but it won't solve the problem. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 09:03 AM |
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What problem? The non-existent gun problem |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 09:07 AM |
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Oh. I thought we were having a conversation. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 09:15 AM |
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Rant? I'm just commenting on our focus being on two different problems |
Taitertots |
Jan-16-11 09:26 AM |
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sincere question: If all the existing laws were consistently enforced, what would happen ? |
steve2470 |
Jan-16-11 08:52 AM |
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Hardcore advocates of the 2nd Amendment, when honest, will admit that they don't want them enforced. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 08:57 AM |
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Your post contributes nothing to the discussion |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:31 AM |
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I disagree. |
bluestate10 |
Jan-16-11 09:43 AM |
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The Second Amendment is not about hunting. |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:50 AM |
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registered firearms |
RSillsbee |
Jan-16-11 11:42 AM |
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Ok, then -- prove me wrong. Give me a piece of gun control legislation that you support. |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 11:04 AM |
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I support all gun legislation already on the books. There is no need for more |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 11:07 AM |
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You support it all, yet you still equate gun control to Mao and Pol Pot? |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 11:13 AM |
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Supporting gun legislation in the US has NOTHING to do with calling |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 11:16 AM |
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Cite to evidence? Or did you pull that from your colon? n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:47 AM |
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From my colon to your ear? |
Buzz Clik |
Jan-16-11 01:29 PM |
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Most of us are convinced that if they were enforced no additional laws would be needed |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 12:34 PM |
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The universe would implode |
notesdev |
Jan-16-11 09:59 AM |
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The ban on assault weapons and 30-round booster ammunition that was allowed to expire |
Overseas |
Jan-16-11 08:54 AM |
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"booster ammunition" - 2 or 3 stage? Can you hit sattellites with it? |
Tejas |
Jan-16-11 09:08 AM |
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There was no appreciable difference in the percentage of such magazines used in crime 94-04 |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 09:11 AM |
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Hard to take a post serious when it contains only scare words and no facts |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 12:40 PM |
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My 2 cents: I'd prefer to restrict the supply side rather than the demand side. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-16-11 08:59 AM |
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THAT is a thought out post. I don't agree it would ever work |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:04 AM |
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Thank you. As for foreign manufacturers, we do have the ability to restrict all sorts of imports. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-16-11 09:16 AM |
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Don't we also restrict the import of cocaine and heroin? |
hack89 |
Jan-16-11 10:27 AM |
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Actually I do. Gun factories aren't underground and illegal, they operate in full view. |
scarletwoman |
Jan-16-11 11:10 AM |
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Let me respectfully correct your statement |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 11:13 AM |
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Absolutely correct |
Maine_Nurse |
Jan-16-11 11:38 AM |
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Corrupt countries like Russia can and will provide all the guns we would want |
hack89 |
Jan-16-11 11:50 AM |
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Restrict the supply for US Mfgs, and others will fill the demand. |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 09:14 AM |
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The pernicious and diabolical Heller affirming Miller is its holding that |
sharesunited |
Jan-16-11 10:38 AM |
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Bet you say the same thing about other decisions affirming rights and liberties |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-16-11 12:35 PM |
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Wrong. The 2A is playing with dynamite. |
sharesunited |
Jan-16-11 01:39 PM |
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Except for the fact that the Second Amendment is not about hunting. |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:53 AM |
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No way to work |
Maine_Nurse |
Jan-16-11 11:30 AM |
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For over a decade, I've participated in DU discussions on this topic. I have not read a single post |
jody |
Jan-16-11 09:03 AM |
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Jan-16-11 09:19 AM |
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And for the ostensible "purpose" of going to war with the government. |
sharesunited |
Jan-16-11 10:34 AM |
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So, you have historical fact and evidence to refute his presentation... |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 10:55 AM |
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Very interesting - thanks for the info. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-16-11 10:32 AM |
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Jan-16-11 09:13 AM |
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Why the infamous right-wing graphic in your signature? |
onehandle |
Jan-16-11 09:14 AM |
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You make a number of salient points. |
bluestate10 |
Jan-16-11 09:15 AM |
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And I truly appreciate the thoughtful response. n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:22 AM |
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Oh God no... |
Maine_Nurse |
Jan-16-11 09:41 AM |
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Sorry, my self-defense requirements are not subject to... |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 11:01 AM |
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The only truly effective means of reducing gun crime would be to repeal the 2nd Amendment |
cowcommander |
Jan-16-11 09:20 AM |
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That response is an emotional rant devoid of any suggestions |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:25 AM |
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There isn't one, the best we can do is improve mental health care for Americans |
cowcommander |
Jan-16-11 09:38 AM |
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That is a much better answer than simply eradicating the 2nd which isn't going to happen |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 10:32 AM |
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Jan-16-11 07:08 PM |
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One man's absolutes are not everyone's absolutes. |
mmonk |
Jan-16-11 09:26 AM |
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The problem, as I see it.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 09:31 AM |
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Your third para is exactly what I'm asking |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 09:34 AM |
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I believe current regulations are sensible.... |
Uben |
Jan-16-11 09:32 AM |
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Here's how you tell |
notesdev |
Jan-16-11 10:02 AM |
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Jan-16-11 07:17 PM |
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I am generally against gun control, however, |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-16-11 10:35 AM |
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Define those principLES please. Only then can I tell you whether or not |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 10:41 AM |
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I mean |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-16-11 04:44 PM |
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The Democrats had the White House, the Senate and the House |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 04:50 PM |
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Less |
Katya Mullethov |
Jan-16-11 10:57 AM |
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Jared Laughner is a gun owner, like you |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 11:49 AM |
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Not any more he isn't. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jan-16-11 12:13 PM |
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Jared Laughner cannot in any way, shape or form be described as sane |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 01:59 PM |
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You said 100% of gun owners agree - but "gun owner" is not synonymous with responsible or reasonable |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 06:51 PM |
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"gun owner" is not synonymous with responsible or reasonable |
shadowrider |
Jan-17-11 06:21 AM |
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One change I'd like to see |
burrfoot |
Jan-16-11 01:34 PM |
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A thoughtful response. Thank you for your reasoning and civility n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 02:01 PM |
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