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105. No, I disagree.
Edited on Sat Jan-15-11 10:26 PM by beevul
"Yes, people are free to own weapons. Farmers are one of the groups that are allowed to own them. I'm wondering why you seem to think everyone should be able to walk into a shop and buy one."

I didn't ask if people gould own guns,I asked if people could own semi-automatic weapons. Specifically handguns, shotguns, and rifles. What is the answer to that question?

I think anyone not prohibited by law, SHOULD be able to walk into a gun shop and buy one. Is that somehow wrong?

"I'm not sure why yr getting a bit hostile. If it's true that you support gun control measnures like restricting the sale of weapons to criminals and mentally unstable people then you and I have no argument with each other."

I'm not getting hostile at all. I'm sorry if it appears otherwise, as theres no hostility on my part. Sometimes text does not translate well.

"So, where did you copy'n'paste all that from if it wasn't from a gun-nut website? You certainly copied'n'pasted it from somewhere..."

These are quotes I've accumulated over the years, and keep in a text file. the purpose of which, is to refute claims of "nobody wants to take your guns", and like claims.

"Yes, I read everything, which is why I commented the way I did about the stupidity of slippery slope arguments..."

Are you of the opinion that theres simply never slippery slope?

"The US does need gun control laws passed. It's absolutely ridiculous that people carry guns round in their pockets that go off accidentally in restaraunts and wound other patrons, and it's even more ridiculous that mentally unstable people can easily get hold of a gun."

We HAVE what control proponents called "sensible gun control" laws, when they were pushing them. Now they pretend we have none. they were iether lieing then, or lieing now. One way or another they were lieing. And now theyre asking for more. Theres your slippery slope, demonstrated and real.

I think its ridiculous when people carry them in pockets and go off as well. Thats what conceal carry holsters are for.

On edit: If you reread those quotes, you'll see the stated intent to use an incremental approach. Thats the definition of a slippery slope.

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  -Polls Show Americans Strongly Reject More Gun Control. GreenStormCloud  Jan-15-11 08:29 PM   #0 
  - Sigh.  aquart   Jan-15-11 08:34 PM   #1 
  - If these polls are valid, then America is too dumb to decide anything,  ladjf   Jan-15-11 08:37 PM   #2 
  - Disagreeing with you does not equal dumb. nt  Codeine   Jan-15-11 08:41 PM   #8 
  - I'm not sure that I have your point. Is it that you agree with the polls,  ladjf   Jan-15-11 08:52 PM   #14 
     - Yes. Gun control doesn't work. There is no need for further restrictions.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 08:59 PM   #18 
     - How do we compare to the UK? LOL.  KansasVoter   Jan-15-11 09:15 PM   #36 
        - The UK has more violent crime, it just isn't as lethal as us. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-15-11 09:21 PM   #42 
           - And why was violent crime and murder lower here in 1965 when....  KansasVoter   Jan-15-11 09:24 PM   #46 
              - You mean when people could buy guns mail order?  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:28 PM   # 
              - I said carry concealed. Can you read?  KansasVoter   Jan-15-11 09:30 PM   #52 
                 - Yes I can. You also said in 1965, do you remember saying that?  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:38 PM   #66 
                    - How many CCW in 1965?  KansasVoter   Jan-15-11 09:43 PM   #69 
                    - Are you in favor of returning to the laws as they were in 1965? n?t  beevul   Jan-15-11 10:04 PM   #91 
                    - What on earth is a "backgrounc check" ... I gave you a pass on  BlueMTexpat   Jan-15-11 10:11 PM   #100 
                       - The "c" key is adjacent to the "d" key  Euromutt   Jan-16-11 12:55 AM   #124 
                          - Pretty much.  beevul   Jan-16-11 01:02 AM   #125 
                          - Chill - it was merely a failed attempt at humor in a heated thread. nt  BlueMTexpat   Jan-16-11 09:41 AM   #144 
              - You trotting out that straw man, again?  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 09:48 PM   #77 
              - In 1965  one-eyed fat man   Jan-16-11 01:37 AM   #129 
     - I want people to discuss the polls, instead of discussing me. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-15-11 09:00 PM   #20 
  - America is right to dislike more restrictions on our lives. More gun control is more police state.nt  w4rma   Jan-15-11 09:42 PM   #68 
  - Look  dwilso40641   Jan-15-11 10:09 PM   #98 
  - So anyone who doesn't see  emilyg   Jan-15-11 11:36 PM   #117 
  - It may also be the case that you are not smart enough to realize that the majority ...  spin   Jan-16-11 11:57 AM   #147 
  - What, and give up show business?  Forkboy   Jan-15-11 08:38 PM   #3 
  - Meanwhile, a couple of armed security guards would have  ladjf   Jan-15-11 08:39 PM   #4 
  - A couple of cops on site would have helped too  Taverner   Jan-15-11 08:40 PM   # 
  - Without a doubt. Chances are the attack would never have happened. nt  ladjf   Jan-15-11 08:48 PM   #11 
  - You assume the guards would have been hired only when something was going to happen.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-15-11 09:05 PM   #28 
     - The sad thing is $80 mil is a rounding error on our $3.2 trillion federal budget. n/t  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:10 PM   #30 
     - Your formula computes the costs for all 435, every day of the year.  ladjf   Jan-16-11 01:59 PM   #151 
  - Gun control doesn't do any good  Taverner   Jan-15-11 08:39 PM   #5 
  - Exactly  guitar man   Jan-15-11 10:22 PM   #106 
  - Wow - We're Stupid  otohara   Jan-15-11 08:39 PM   #6 
  - We live in a democratic republic not a democracy.  Lint Head   Jan-15-11 08:40 PM   #7 
  - Still with 70%+ support the elected officials of said Republic know  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:34 PM   #59 
  - Correct. A majority cannot vote away anyone's civil rights.  Hoopla Phil   Jan-15-11 10:16 PM   #104 
  - Money rules America. nt  ladjf   Jan-16-11 02:00 PM   #153 
  - Flatly wrong  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 08:44 PM   #9 
  - +1  villager   Jan-15-11 08:50 PM   #12 
  - Extended mags weren't banned under the AWB  Kaleva   Jan-15-11 08:54 PM   #15 
  - And Loughner's were manufactured and sold after the original ban  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:28 PM   #50 
     - Which wouldn't have prevented him from buying such mags made before the ban.  Kaleva   Jan-15-11 09:33 PM   #58 
     - There are, according to estimated I've seen...  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:35 PM   #60 
     - You're assuming a logical and sound mind  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:39 PM   #67 
        - so called "high capacity" mags were available in every gun store in American during the "ban"  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:46 PM   #73 
           - Thanks for making my arguement  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:50 PM   #79 
              - He purchased a second gun that same day.  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 09:50 PM   #80 
              - I'd rather err on the side of Gabby and the other victims  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:57 PM   #86 
                 - Well Gabby is pro-gun rights so I doubt she wants your "support"  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:59 PM   #89 
                 - She's a lot bigger than that, don't you think?  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 10:06 PM   #92 
                 - He was 'together' enough to plan well in advance.. (purchased Nov 30).  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 10:10 PM   #99 
              - He bought two $500 firearms (only used one). $200 in magazines and ~$100 in ammo.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:54 PM   #84 
                 - So Loughner was logical?  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:59 PM   #88 
                    - No he wasn't logical but he was comitted.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 10:00 PM   #90 
                    - Actually, Loughner was quite logical ... if one accepts his  BlueMTexpat   Jan-15-11 10:15 PM   #102 
     - How do you know when they were manufactured? N/T  beevul   Jan-15-11 11:07 PM   #111 
     - You're right.  Straw Man   Jan-15-11 11:20 PM   #113 
  - No you are flatly wrong.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 08:58 PM   #17 
  - Sorry  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:20 PM   #41 
     - And this shooter would have likely chosen different tactics if limited to 10 rounds.  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 09:31 PM   #53 
     - How in the world are they different?  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 07:17 AM   #137 
  - You are flatly wrong.  former9thward   Jan-15-11 08:59 PM   #19 
  - Uh, no. Changing takes less than a second.  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:26 PM   #48 
     - He wasn't posing for a You Tube video in his living room  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:32 PM   #57 
        - It all depends on practice and training:  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:47 PM   #76 
           - Yes, in addition to the situation - I like how you guys make my arguements for me  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:52 PM   #81 
           - Nope, he didn't seem to be capable of that kind of follow through in his life.  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:58 PM   #87 
           - I think IDPA is better demonstration.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:53 PM   #83 
  - What if's  one-eyed fat man   Jan-16-11 06:59 AM   #136 
  - 'Murka  Cali_Democrat   Jan-15-11 08:48 PM   #10 
  - Excellent..  Upton   Jan-15-11 08:52 PM   #13 
  - Since when does gun control equal 'anti gun'?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-15-11 09:01 PM   #21 
  - Because no useful proposals have been made in last 20 years.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:04 PM   #25 
  - You don't think Australian gun control laws are sensible? Why?  Violet_Crumble   Jan-15-11 09:13 PM   #34 
  - Nobody has proposed that in US in last 20 years.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:21 PM   #44 
  - Then they need to...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-15-11 09:37 PM   #65 
     - Well in the US many of the people pushing so called "sensible gun control"  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:44 PM   #71 
     - We are not interested in turning the USA into a facist police state like Australia where they will  lawodevolution   Jan-15-11 11:49 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 10:07 PM   #94 
  - About 80% of the guns sold annually in the United States for lawful purposes  benEzra   Jan-16-11 05:36 PM   #163 
  - Not to mention the incrementalist approach endorsed -openly- by many.  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 09:21 PM   #43 
  - In the last 20 years? Sure!  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:28 PM   #49 
     - Good point. The NRA lobbied for implantation of NICS.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:37 PM   #64 
        - The sad thing about it is the backlog.  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:45 PM   #72 
           - That I agree with 100%.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:47 PM   #75 
              - A law to enforce a law...  boppers   Jan-15-11 09:52 PM   #82 
                 - Well without penalties not so much.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:57 PM   #85 
  - Since when?  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:05 PM   #27 
  - That slippery slope crap is just that...complete crap...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-15-11 09:10 PM   #31 
     - Is it?  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:18 PM   #40 
     - Yes, it is. Slippery slope logic is totally lazy logic...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-15-11 09:32 PM   #56 
        - No, I disagree.  beevul   Jan-15-11 10:19 PM   #105 
        - "allowed to own", "one of the groups"..  PavePusher   Jan-16-11 01:34 AM   #127 
        - Let me ask a simple question?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-16-11 07:21 AM   #138 
     - If I had to live under Australia's gun laws I'd have to give up every gun I own.  lawodevolution   Jan-15-11 11:53 PM   #120 
        - As would I, except maybe 1  beevul   Jan-16-11 01:11 AM   #126 
  - Define "mentally unstable"  pipoman   Jan-15-11 09:17 PM   #39 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-15-11 09:22 PM   #45 
  - HINT: Anyone deemed mentally unstable by a government authority  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 07:22 AM   #139 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 09:16 PM   #38 
  - That's right  BeFree   Jan-15-11 08:57 PM   #16 
  - Gunowners aren't dangerous.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:02 PM   #23 
  - well  BeFree   Jan-15-11 09:31 PM   #54 
  - Caution: Your bigotry is showing.... I mean glaring. n/t  PavePusher   Jan-16-11 01:35 AM   #128 
  - How many reasons can I give you why not?  Euromutt   Jan-16-11 05:12 AM   #132 
  - why not the potential criminals  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 07:29 AM   #141 
  - Loughner was a gun owner  Still a Democrat   Jan-15-11 09:43 PM   #70 
     - MEH.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:49 PM   #78 
  - Sorta like the yellow stars Jews had to wear in Germany.  former9thward   Jan-15-11 09:03 PM   #24 
  - Eh?  BeFree   Jan-15-11 09:35 PM   #62 
     - I don't think either are dangerous.  former9thward   Jan-15-11 10:06 PM   #93 
     - Gun owners are a danger  BeFree   Jan-15-11 10:15 PM   #103 
        - Congresswoman Giffords is a danger?  Upton   Jan-15-11 10:24 PM   #107 
           - Yes  BeFree   Jan-15-11 10:37 PM   #108 
     - I'm sure some of them were  Euromutt   Jan-16-11 04:42 AM   #131 
  - !!  guitar man   Jan-15-11 09:11 PM   #32 
  - A badge? Like yellow stars or pink triangles?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-16-11 07:29 AM   #140 
  - Good.  beevul   Jan-15-11 09:02 PM   #22 
  - With no real details.  jp11   Jan-15-11 09:05 PM   #26 
  - One fact to add. He DID obtain two guns. He left one at home.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:09 PM   #29 
  - He actually did purchase a second gun, so that could have been possible. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 09:36 PM   #63 
  - They are probably correct about more restrictive laws not impacting the Giffords assassination.  aikoaiko   Jan-15-11 09:11 PM   #33 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-15-11 09:14 PM   #35 
  - And meaningful gun control at a Federal Level is simply not going to happen.  Warren DeMontague   Jan-15-11 09:15 PM   #37 
  - Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But a few more mass killings like what happened, and it is  Major Hogwash   Jan-15-11 09:24 PM   #47 
     - Nope Violent crime on 30+ year decline, homicide rate on 40+ year decline.  Statistical   Jan-15-11 09:29 PM   #51 
        - are funny. Need to protect your family??  KansasVoter   Jan-15-11 09:32 PM   #55 
        - This is MLK weekend, whoop it up -- they killed him with a high-powered rifle.  Major Hogwash   Jan-15-11 09:35 PM   #61 
  - Sad, if that source is to be believed.  madinmaryland   Jan-15-11 09:47 PM   #74 
  - To the gungeon in  Tsiyu   Jan-15-11 10:07 PM   #95 
  - Thank Christ.  Forkboy   Jan-15-11 10:08 PM   #97 
  - this country is nuts....  unkachuck   Jan-15-11 10:07 PM   #96 
  - Psst, Christina's father disagrees with you..  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 10:14 PM   #101 
     - Oh, you *had* to go and ruin a perfectly good Lovejoy....  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-16-11 03:39 PM   #157 
  - Nobody's advocating more GUN control--but we DO need BULLET control,  ProgressiveEconomist   Jan-15-11 10:57 PM   #109 
  - I'm going to repeat what I said elsewhere on this forum  Euromutt   Jan-16-11 06:28 AM   #134 
  - Describing millions of people as spree killers is a *great* way to get their votes....  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-16-11 03:54 PM   #159 
  - Nobody's advocating more GUN control - HUH????????  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 06:37 AM   #135 
  - And this newest attempt at IGP (incremental gun prohibition) will also fail.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-16-11 03:52 PM   #158 
  - "Used...only by psychotic mass murderers"  benEzra   Jan-16-11 05:48 PM   #165 
     - You can take my Mozilla from my cold, dead hands n/t  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 05:49 PM   #166 
  - The second amendment is clear.  David__77   Jan-15-11 10:59 PM   #110 
  - I can't even count how many have been slain by luntics petitioning for a redress of grievances.  Orrex   Jan-15-11 11:16 PM   #112 
     - How about murderers freed by the fourth? fifth? eighth?  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 11:20 PM   #114 
        - Searching for the point...  Orrex   Jan-15-11 11:21 PM   #115 
           - You said..  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 11:33 PM   #116 
              - With respect, I believe that you missed my original point  Orrex   Jan-15-11 11:48 PM   #118 
                 - I must've missed it on first go-around then.  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 12:36 AM   #123 
  - "2.If these polls are valid, then America is too dumb to decide anything, "  lawodevolution   Jan-16-11 12:02 AM   #121 
  - Hardly the same. The rationales you guys use to promote carrying in public are amazing.  Hoyt   Jan-16-11 01:37 AM   #130 
     - How the hell would you know, Hoyt?  Euromutt   Jan-16-11 05:23 AM   #133 
     - Bull Shit? So is carrying a gun into a church, bar, public park, restaurant under the guise of 2A.  Hoyt   Jan-16-11 01:55 PM   #149 
        - actually it's tough for you, given that we can carry guns in many public places  lawodevolution   Jan-16-11 03:03 PM   #154 
        - I've been meaning to ask you: what's so special about a church?  Euromutt   Jan-17-11 01:27 AM   #174 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-11 05:40 AM   #176 
     - I am still waiting for an answer  one-eyed fat man   Jan-16-11 07:56 AM   #142 
        - Isn't it amazing  shadowrider   Jan-16-11 07:59 AM   #143 
        - And they didn't help. Thank God for a 61 year old unarmed lady who did help.  Hoyt   Jan-16-11 01:59 PM   #152 
        - They held their fire because they realized they were about to shoot the wrong person.  Hoyt   Jan-16-11 01:58 PM   #150 
           - I don't think he almost shot the wrong person, he delayed firing because  lawodevolution   Jan-16-11 03:05 PM   #155 
           - I'm glad to see you're down with the Newspeak- "Carrying guns in public is ineffective"  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-16-11 03:59 PM   #160 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-17-11 05:19 AM   #175 
  - Take note, somewhere around 62-72% of America are against further censorship of my heritage and  lawodevolution   Jan-16-11 12:09 AM   #122 
  - You're misreading the poll  Still a Democrat   Jan-16-11 11:54 AM   #146 
     - You mean like this?  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 12:10 PM   #148 
        - Exactly, thank you - 86% want as much or more gun control  Still a Democrat   Jan-16-11 06:48 PM   #167 
           - Lol, spin spin spin..  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 07:01 PM   #168 
              - And now you've come up with one at 85% wanting the same or more gun control  Still a Democrat   Jan-16-11 07:19 PM   #169 
                 - And 100% want the same, less, or more! (see how stupid that sounds?) n/t  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 07:29 PM   #170 
                    - My response would be more gun control - what would yours be?  Still a Democrat   Jan-16-11 07:34 PM   #171 
                       - Not a damned thing (gun control-wise).. I'm in the plurality.  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 07:48 PM   #172 
                          - Okey dokey  Still a Democrat   Jan-16-11 07:53 PM   #173 
  - I'm glad to know that I'm in the majority on this one...  NaturalHigh   Jan-16-11 11:45 AM   #145 
  - Republican Rasmussen poll within story that does not have that headline from a right wing website.  onehandle   Jan-16-11 03:31 PM   #156 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-16-11 04:01 PM   #161 
     - Do you prefer the Gallup results? Or are they too soiled by association?  TPaine7   Jan-16-11 05:27 PM   #162 
        - Psst. Don't tell them where high speed rail and government antismoking programs got started,  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-16-11 05:41 PM   #164 

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