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| 28. You assume the guards would have been hired only when something was going to happen. |
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The guards would have been needed for ALL congressional events, for ALL congressperson. So that is $500 X 435 X 365 = $80,000,000
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| -Polls Show Americans Strongly Reject More Gun Control. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-15-11 08:29 PM |
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Sigh. |
aquart |
Jan-15-11 08:34 PM |
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If these polls are valid, then America is too dumb to decide anything, |
ladjf |
Jan-15-11 08:37 PM |
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Disagreeing with you does not equal dumb. nt |
Codeine |
Jan-15-11 08:41 PM |
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I'm not sure that I have your point. Is it that you agree with the polls, |
ladjf |
Jan-15-11 08:52 PM |
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Yes. Gun control doesn't work. There is no need for further restrictions. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 08:59 PM |
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How do we compare to the UK? LOL. |
KansasVoter |
Jan-15-11 09:15 PM |
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The UK has more violent crime, it just isn't as lethal as us. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-15-11 09:21 PM |
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And why was violent crime and murder lower here in 1965 when.... |
KansasVoter |
Jan-15-11 09:24 PM |
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You mean when people could buy guns mail order? |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:28 PM |
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I said carry concealed. Can you read? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-15-11 09:30 PM |
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Yes I can. You also said in 1965, do you remember saying that? |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:38 PM |
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How many CCW in 1965? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-15-11 09:43 PM |
#69 |
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Are you in favor of returning to the laws as they were in 1965? n?t |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 10:04 PM |
#91 |
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What on earth is a "backgrounc check" ... I gave you a pass on |
BlueMTexpat |
Jan-15-11 10:11 PM |
#100 |
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The "c" key is adjacent to the "d" key |
Euromutt |
Jan-16-11 12:55 AM |
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Pretty much. |
beevul |
Jan-16-11 01:02 AM |
#125 |
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Chill - it was merely a failed attempt at humor in a heated thread. nt |
BlueMTexpat |
Jan-16-11 09:41 AM |
#144 |
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You trotting out that straw man, again? |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 09:48 PM |
#77 |
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In 1965 |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-16-11 01:37 AM |
#129 |
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I want people to discuss the polls, instead of discussing me. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-15-11 09:00 PM |
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America is right to dislike more restrictions on our lives. More gun control is more police state.nt |
w4rma |
Jan-15-11 09:42 PM |
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Look |
dwilso40641 |
Jan-15-11 10:09 PM |
#98 |
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So anyone who doesn't see |
emilyg |
Jan-15-11 11:36 PM |
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It may also be the case that you are not smart enough to realize that the majority ... |
spin |
Jan-16-11 11:57 AM |
#147 |
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What, and give up show business? |
Forkboy |
Jan-15-11 08:38 PM |
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Meanwhile, a couple of armed security guards would have |
ladjf |
Jan-15-11 08:39 PM |
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A couple of cops on site would have helped too |
Taverner |
Jan-15-11 08:40 PM |
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Without a doubt. Chances are the attack would never have happened. nt |
ladjf |
Jan-15-11 08:48 PM |
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You assume the guards would have been hired only when something was going to happen. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jan-15-11 09:05 PM |
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The sad thing is $80 mil is a rounding error on our $3.2 trillion federal budget. n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:10 PM |
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Your formula computes the costs for all 435, every day of the year. |
ladjf |
Jan-16-11 01:59 PM |
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Gun control doesn't do any good |
Taverner |
Jan-15-11 08:39 PM |
#5 |
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Exactly |
guitar man |
Jan-15-11 10:22 PM |
#106 |
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Wow - We're Stupid |
otohara |
Jan-15-11 08:39 PM |
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We live in a democratic republic not a democracy. |
Lint Head |
Jan-15-11 08:40 PM |
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Still with 70%+ support the elected officials of said Republic know |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:34 PM |
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Correct. A majority cannot vote away anyone's civil rights. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-15-11 10:16 PM |
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Money rules America. nt |
ladjf |
Jan-16-11 02:00 PM |
#153 |
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Flatly wrong |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 08:44 PM |
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+1 |
villager |
Jan-15-11 08:50 PM |
#12 |
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Extended mags weren't banned under the AWB |
Kaleva |
Jan-15-11 08:54 PM |
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And Loughner's were manufactured and sold after the original ban |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:28 PM |
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Which wouldn't have prevented him from buying such mags made before the ban. |
Kaleva |
Jan-15-11 09:33 PM |
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There are, according to estimated I've seen... |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:35 PM |
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You're assuming a logical and sound mind |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:39 PM |
#67 |
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so called "high capacity" mags were available in every gun store in American during the "ban" |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:46 PM |
#73 |
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Thanks for making my arguement |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:50 PM |
#79 |
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He purchased a second gun that same day. |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 09:50 PM |
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I'd rather err on the side of Gabby and the other victims |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:57 PM |
#86 |
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Well Gabby is pro-gun rights so I doubt she wants your "support" |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:59 PM |
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She's a lot bigger than that, don't you think? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 10:06 PM |
#92 |
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He was 'together' enough to plan well in advance.. (purchased Nov 30). |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 10:10 PM |
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He bought two $500 firearms (only used one). $200 in magazines and ~$100 in ammo. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:54 PM |
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So Loughner was logical? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:59 PM |
#88 |
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No he wasn't logical but he was comitted. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 10:00 PM |
#90 |
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Actually, Loughner was quite logical ... if one accepts his |
BlueMTexpat |
Jan-15-11 10:15 PM |
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How do you know when they were manufactured? N/T |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 11:07 PM |
#111 |
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You're right. |
Straw Man |
Jan-15-11 11:20 PM |
#113 |
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No you are flatly wrong. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 08:58 PM |
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Sorry |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:20 PM |
#41 |
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And this shooter would have likely chosen different tactics if limited to 10 rounds. |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 09:31 PM |
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How in the world are they different? |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 07:17 AM |
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You are flatly wrong. |
former9thward |
Jan-15-11 08:59 PM |
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Uh, no. Changing takes less than a second. |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:26 PM |
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He wasn't posing for a You Tube video in his living room |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:32 PM |
#57 |
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It all depends on practice and training: |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:47 PM |
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Yes, in addition to the situation - I like how you guys make my arguements for me |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:52 PM |
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Nope, he didn't seem to be capable of that kind of follow through in his life. |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:58 PM |
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I think IDPA is better demonstration. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:53 PM |
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What if's |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-16-11 06:59 AM |
#136 |
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'Murka |
Cali_Democrat |
Jan-15-11 08:48 PM |
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Excellent.. |
Upton |
Jan-15-11 08:52 PM |
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Since when does gun control equal 'anti gun'? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-11 09:01 PM |
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Because no useful proposals have been made in last 20 years. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:04 PM |
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You don't think Australian gun control laws are sensible? Why? |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-11 09:13 PM |
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Nobody has proposed that in US in last 20 years. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:21 PM |
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Then they need to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-11 09:37 PM |
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Well in the US many of the people pushing so called "sensible gun control" |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:44 PM |
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We are not interested in turning the USA into a facist police state like Australia where they will |
lawodevolution |
Jan-15-11 11:49 PM |
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Jan-15-11 10:07 PM |
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About 80% of the guns sold annually in the United States for lawful purposes |
benEzra |
Jan-16-11 05:36 PM |
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Not to mention the incrementalist approach endorsed -openly- by many. |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 09:21 PM |
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In the last 20 years? Sure! |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:28 PM |
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Good point. The NRA lobbied for implantation of NICS. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:37 PM |
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The sad thing about it is the backlog. |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:45 PM |
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That I agree with 100%. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:47 PM |
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A law to enforce a law... |
boppers |
Jan-15-11 09:52 PM |
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Well without penalties not so much. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:57 PM |
#85 |
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Since when? |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:05 PM |
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That slippery slope crap is just that...complete crap... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-11 09:10 PM |
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Is it? |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:18 PM |
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Yes, it is. Slippery slope logic is totally lazy logic... |
Violet_Crumble |
Jan-15-11 09:32 PM |
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No, I disagree. |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 10:19 PM |
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"allowed to own", "one of the groups".. |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 01:34 AM |
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Let me ask a simple question? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-16-11 07:21 AM |
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If I had to live under Australia's gun laws I'd have to give up every gun I own. |
lawodevolution |
Jan-15-11 11:53 PM |
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As would I, except maybe 1 |
beevul |
Jan-16-11 01:11 AM |
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Define "mentally unstable" |
pipoman |
Jan-15-11 09:17 PM |
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Jan-15-11 09:22 PM |
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HINT: Anyone deemed mentally unstable by a government authority |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 07:22 AM |
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Jan-15-11 09:16 PM |
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That's right |
BeFree |
Jan-15-11 08:57 PM |
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Gunowners aren't dangerous. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:02 PM |
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well |
BeFree |
Jan-15-11 09:31 PM |
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Caution: Your bigotry is showing.... I mean glaring. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jan-16-11 01:35 AM |
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How many reasons can I give you why not? |
Euromutt |
Jan-16-11 05:12 AM |
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why not the potential criminals |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 07:29 AM |
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Loughner was a gun owner |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-15-11 09:43 PM |
#70 |
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MEH. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:49 PM |
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Sorta like the yellow stars Jews had to wear in Germany. |
former9thward |
Jan-15-11 09:03 PM |
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Eh? |
BeFree |
Jan-15-11 09:35 PM |
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I don't think either are dangerous. |
former9thward |
Jan-15-11 10:06 PM |
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Gun owners are a danger |
BeFree |
Jan-15-11 10:15 PM |
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Congresswoman Giffords is a danger? |
Upton |
Jan-15-11 10:24 PM |
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Yes |
BeFree |
Jan-15-11 10:37 PM |
#108 |
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I'm sure some of them were |
Euromutt |
Jan-16-11 04:42 AM |
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!! |
guitar man |
Jan-15-11 09:11 PM |
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A badge? Like yellow stars or pink triangles? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-16-11 07:29 AM |
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Good. |
beevul |
Jan-15-11 09:02 PM |
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With no real details. |
jp11 |
Jan-15-11 09:05 PM |
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One fact to add. He DID obtain two guns. He left one at home. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:09 PM |
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He actually did purchase a second gun, so that could have been possible. n/t |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 09:36 PM |
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They are probably correct about more restrictive laws not impacting the Giffords assassination. |
aikoaiko |
Jan-15-11 09:11 PM |
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Jan-15-11 09:14 PM |
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And meaningful gun control at a Federal Level is simply not going to happen. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jan-15-11 09:15 PM |
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Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow. But a few more mass killings like what happened, and it is |
Major Hogwash |
Jan-15-11 09:24 PM |
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Nope Violent crime on 30+ year decline, homicide rate on 40+ year decline. |
Statistical |
Jan-15-11 09:29 PM |
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LOL.....you are funny. Need to protect your family?? |
KansasVoter |
Jan-15-11 09:32 PM |
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This is MLK weekend, whoop it up -- they killed him with a high-powered rifle. |
Major Hogwash |
Jan-15-11 09:35 PM |
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Sad, if that source is to be believed. |
madinmaryland |
Jan-15-11 09:47 PM |
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To the gungeon in |
Tsiyu |
Jan-15-11 10:07 PM |
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Thank Christ. |
Forkboy |
Jan-15-11 10:08 PM |
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this country is nuts.... |
unkachuck |
Jan-15-11 10:07 PM |
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Psst, Christina's father disagrees with you.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 10:14 PM |
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Oh, you *had* to go and ruin a perfectly good Lovejoy.... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-16-11 03:39 PM |
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Nobody's advocating more GUN control--but we DO need BULLET control, |
ProgressiveEconomist |
Jan-15-11 10:57 PM |
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I'm going to repeat what I said elsewhere on this forum |
Euromutt |
Jan-16-11 06:28 AM |
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Describing millions of people as spree killers is a *great* way to get their votes.... |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-16-11 03:54 PM |
#159 |
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Nobody's advocating more GUN control - HUH???????? |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 06:37 AM |
#135 |
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And this newest attempt at IGP (incremental gun prohibition) will also fail. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-16-11 03:52 PM |
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"Used...only by psychotic mass murderers" |
benEzra |
Jan-16-11 05:48 PM |
#165 |
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You can take my Mozilla from my cold, dead hands n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 05:49 PM |
#166 |
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The second amendment is clear. |
David__77 |
Jan-15-11 10:59 PM |
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I can't even count how many have been slain by luntics petitioning for a redress of grievances. |
Orrex |
Jan-15-11 11:16 PM |
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How about murderers freed by the fourth? fifth? eighth? |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 11:20 PM |
#114 |
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Searching for the point... |
Orrex |
Jan-15-11 11:21 PM |
#115 |
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You said.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-15-11 11:33 PM |
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With respect, I believe that you missed my original point |
Orrex |
Jan-15-11 11:48 PM |
#118 |
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I must've missed it on first go-around then. |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 12:36 AM |
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"2. If these polls are valid, then America is too dumb to decide anything, " |
lawodevolution |
Jan-16-11 12:02 AM |
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Hardly the same. The rationales you guys use to promote carrying in public are amazing. |
Hoyt |
Jan-16-11 01:37 AM |
#130 |
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How the hell would you know, Hoyt? |
Euromutt |
Jan-16-11 05:23 AM |
#133 |
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Bull Shit? So is carrying a gun into a church, bar, public park, restaurant under the guise of 2A. |
Hoyt |
Jan-16-11 01:55 PM |
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actually it's tough for you, given that we can carry guns in many public places |
lawodevolution |
Jan-16-11 03:03 PM |
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I've been meaning to ask you: what's so special about a church? |
Euromutt |
Jan-17-11 01:27 AM |
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Jan-17-11 05:40 AM |
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I am still waiting for an answer |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-16-11 07:56 AM |
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Isn't it amazing |
shadowrider |
Jan-16-11 07:59 AM |
#143 |
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And they didn't help. Thank God for a 61 year old unarmed lady who did help. |
Hoyt |
Jan-16-11 01:59 PM |
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They held their fire because they realized they were about to shoot the wrong person. |
Hoyt |
Jan-16-11 01:58 PM |
#150 |
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I don't think he almost shot the wrong person, he delayed firing because |
lawodevolution |
Jan-16-11 03:05 PM |
#155 |
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I'm glad to see you're down with the Newspeak- "Carrying guns in public is ineffective" |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-16-11 03:59 PM |
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Jan-17-11 05:19 AM |
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Take note, somewhere around 62-72% of America are against further censorship of my heritage and |
lawodevolution |
Jan-16-11 12:09 AM |
#122 |
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You're misreading the poll |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 11:54 AM |
#146 |
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You mean like this? |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 12:10 PM |
#148 |
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Exactly, thank you - 86% want as much or more gun control |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 06:48 PM |
#167 |
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Lol, spin spin spin.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 07:01 PM |
#168 |
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And now you've come up with one at 85% wanting the same or more gun control |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 07:19 PM |
#169 |
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And 100% want the same, less, or more! (see how stupid that sounds?) n/t |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 07:29 PM |
#170 |
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My response would be more gun control - what would yours be? |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 07:34 PM |
#171 |
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Not a damned thing (gun control-wise).. I'm in the plurality. |
X_Digger |
Jan-16-11 07:48 PM |
#172 |
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Okey dokey |
Still a Democrat |
Jan-16-11 07:53 PM |
#173 |
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I'm glad to know that I'm in the majority on this one... |
NaturalHigh |
Jan-16-11 11:45 AM |
#145 |
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Republican Rasmussen poll within story that does not have that headline from a right wing website. |
onehandle |
Jan-16-11 03:31 PM |
#156 |
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Jan-16-11 04:01 PM |
#161 |
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Do you prefer the Gallup results? Or are they too soiled by association? |
TPaine7 |
Jan-16-11 05:27 PM |
#162 |
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Psst. Don't tell them where high speed rail and government antismoking programs got started, |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-16-11 05:41 PM |
#164 |
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