| 80. I did not say I got a foot wide grouping |
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The men on the ground would usually be in a bomb crater or other very small clearing and the enemy would often be within a few meters of the men. We would suppress around their group with bullets hitting within a few feet of their location. It was imperative we could ring their position with rounds so an extraction could be accomplished. We also would put rounds as close to the blades on the extraction ship as humanly possible without actually striking the ship..  it was a job... |
| -Should extended magazines be banned? |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 10:56 AM |
#0 |
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What if 11 armed criminals have broken into your house and are hiding behind your fridge? |
FSogol |
Jan-14-11 10:59 AM |
#1 |
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That's why machine guns need to be legalized. |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
#3 |
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They are, but it takes a Federal firearms license |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
#8 |
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Have you ever fired a machine gun? |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:09 AM |
#18 |
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Yes; I carried and fired my platoon's M240-G |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
#21 |
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I was a door gunner on a gunship in Vietnam |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
#32 |
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You got a foot-wide grouping with an M-60 on a gunship moving at 80mph? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:21 AM |
#38 |
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I did not say I got a foot wide grouping |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 01:03 PM |
#80 |
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Ah, sorry, I misread that |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 01:06 PM |
#82 |
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Note to self: Don't joke around with Bandit. |
FSogol |
Jan-14-11 11:59 AM |
#56 |
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Proof That Gun Control Programs Work. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
# |
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Yes, the NFA has been very effective |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
#24 |
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I don't believe machine guns were particularly rare in Chicago during prohibition. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 12:17 PM |
#61 |
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A bit of history |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 02:11 PM |
#104 |
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Very interesting post! Thanks for the history lesson. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#117 |
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i wish they werent so rare |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 03:51 PM |
#137 |
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Then buy one for someone needy |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 04:16 PM |
#146 |
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wish this forum had rep features |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:21 PM |
#150 |
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rep features? huh? |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 04:46 PM |
#152 |
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if you like someones post |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 05:01 PM |
#154 |
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Ahhh. A "rec" button. Same thing only different.. n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 05:05 PM |
#155 |
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apologies |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 05:32 PM |
#157 |
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Hey, it could happen--ever seen "A ChristmasStory?" That was based on Jean Shepherd's |
blondeatlast |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
#5 |
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You should always have one up the pipe |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
#7 |
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Find A New Pick-Up Line....... (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
#25 |
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I guess that was suppose to be whitty |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
#31 |
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The police always say: Do not try to be a hero. Just give them what they ask for. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
#16 |
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Yeah ok |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
# |
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A nation of living wimps is preferable to a nation of dead toughguys. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:16 PM |
#105 |
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that doesnt always work |
bossy22 |
Jan-14-11 01:10 PM |
#84 |
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Good thing neither party had a gun. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:17 PM |
#107 |
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yeah, it would be a shame |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:02 PM |
#143 |
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and when they kill you anyways? Do you get a do-over? n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:14 PM |
#87 |
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Most of the time, all they want is your cash so they can go score some drugs. Just give it to them. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:18 PM |
#108 |
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and the time they don't? Roughly 20% of all homicides occur in the comission of another crime. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 03:04 PM |
#125 |
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I would not use a firearm to protect cash. |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:50 PM |
#122 |
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Like these clerks? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 03:28 PM |
#127 |
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as an every day carrier |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:01 PM |
#142 |
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In case I mugged by 12 bad guys |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
#2 |
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If you get mugged, it is best if you just comply with the demands of the mugger. Attempting to use a |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:05 AM |
#13 |
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Then I die nt |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
#26 |
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There are millions of them in the country. How are you going to get them? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
#4 |
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Make them illegal to be sold |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:02 AM |
#9 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-14-11 11:04 AM |
#11 |
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And when an owner of the magazines dies? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
#15 |
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Magazine size: deck chairs on the Titanic. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:34 PM |
#130 |
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Its simple. If you get cuaght with one, you get a pre-determined jail sentence, say ten years, nt |
right2bfree |
Jan-15-11 04:36 AM |
#161 |
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That wasn't the deal |
Recursion |
Jan-15-11 12:37 PM |
#177 |
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I wasnt reffering to thier ideas. One large magazine=10 Years! |
right2bfree |
Jan-16-11 06:40 PM |
#179 |
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Your username seems to be in conflict |
Abq_Sarah |
Jan-17-11 01:27 PM |
#180 |
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If transfer is illegal, what happens when you die or transfer your guns to your adult daughter/son? |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#116 |
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Hmmm, "gun show?" How about over the kitchen table? |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:33 PM |
#128 |
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Yoe you are correct but we have even more since Bush |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
#19 |
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If we repealed the fourth amendment |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:16 AM |
#30 |
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But we are not talking about cars we are talking about |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:43 AM |
#52 |
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So do I n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 01:08 PM |
#83 |
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Actually, these magazines are used by those who... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:41 PM |
#131 |
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Bush didn't make the legal. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 12:58 PM |
#78 |
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Bush did not make them legal again. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:40 PM |
#93 |
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Extended Magazines keep the NRA happy? |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
#6 |
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Yes, there are those here at DU who will defend the need for extended clips. |
elocs |
Jan-14-11 11:02 AM |
#10 |
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Its not a matter of simply defending a need. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:43 PM |
#94 |
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And the gun-controllers will spur the manufacture and sale of these magazines. |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:44 PM |
#133 |
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i dont "need" |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:19 PM |
#149 |
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Yes! Of course. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:04 AM |
#12 |
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I love it... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:46 PM |
#95 |
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Here's a good example of why they shouldn't be banned. |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
#14 |
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Is that the magazine for enhanced male performance? I think I read it once |
The Straight Story |
Jan-14-11 11:07 AM |
#17 |
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It's settled Law! I want my guns! |
Kingofalldems |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
#20 |
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do you need organic tofu at $20/lb from the yuppie market? |
Kali |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
#22 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-14-11 11:11 AM |
#23 |
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Why does anyone NEED more than three bullets? One? |
Xithras |
Jan-14-11 11:13 AM |
#27 |
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I am a gun owner and support the 2nd Amendment |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:14 AM |
#28 |
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"they will want a lower limit to 5 and so on until all guns are banned" |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:15 AM |
#29 |
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Dems don't learn from their mistakes... |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
#34 |
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That's the goal and you know it. n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
#35 |
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Nope. Nice try though :) |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:23 AM |
#41 |
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Here you go, post number 48 proves my point n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:31 AM |
#47 |
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How does my post prove your point? I simply said that you are wrong about the slippery slope. |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:32 AM |
#48 |
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I made a typo #48 n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:34 AM |
#49 |
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That is the ultimate goal of most of the anti-gun people. As far |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:37 AM |
#50 |
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See post 141 nt |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 08:06 PM |
#159 |
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The Brady Campaign introduced a 6-round limit in 1994 (H.R.3932/S.1878, known as "Brady II"). |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:53 PM |
#123 |
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Take a look at #123. When you are through laughing, of course. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:48 PM |
#134 |
| -
Some proof. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 03:53 PM |
#138 |
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So common sense is overridden by vague slippery slope imaginings. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
#37 |
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That is the gun lobby position, anyway it is a non-starter |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:22 AM |
#39 |
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Of course. Paranoia about gun grabbing keeps us from doing ANYTHING rational |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:25 AM |
#42 |
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I agree. Nobody needs a 30 round magazine but as long as |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:28 AM |
#44 |
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Cho killed far more with much smaller mags; he just carried extras.nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:50 PM |
#136 |
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Perhaps you will read post 138... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 04:56 PM |
#153 |
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#123.nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:49 PM |
#135 |
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I have a question |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 04:01 PM |
#141 |
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Your explanation of why I need only 10 shots is as much conjecture as my argument that I need 30... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
#33 |
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Because reloading is not a big deal for legal uses of guns |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:28 AM |
#43 |
| -
"it's not a big deal"... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:49 AM |
#53 |
| -
Oh, I'm not saying it would necessarily save people in every instance. |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 12:14 PM |
#60 |
| -
Well, the constitutionality remains to be seen... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 12:48 PM |
#71 |
| -
Well technically yes. All laws that restrict rights are infringements. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:30 PM |
#91 |
| -
To answer the OP's question about why I feel I might need 31 rounds: |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:56 AM |
#55 |
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Like it was a problem for Cho. Who was smart enough to use 2 guns. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:26 PM |
#90 |
| -
What are you posting this crap here for? Flame bait? |
L0oniX |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
#36 |
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It's a reasonable question, in light of all the mass shoot-em-ups we have every year. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:23 AM |
#40 |
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It's not flambebait, it's just the wrong question. When proposing a ban, the onus |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:02 PM |
#57 |
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It's not a "wrong" question. It's never wrong to explore ways to keep the body count lower |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:05 PM |
#58 |
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It's fine to ask and discuss, it's wrong as a starting point for discussing a ban |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:13 PM |
#59 |
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Why shouldn't people who own high-capacity magazines explain their desire? |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 12:25 PM |
#64 |
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Why should they have to? It's really a basic question about the philosophy of |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:43 PM |
#68 |
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For the same reasons that those who wish... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:57 PM |
#98 |
| -
Your question has swayed me. |
NewMoonTherian |
Jan-14-11 05:13 PM |
#156 |
| -
How can anyone decide that it won't make a difference if we can't even question |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:26 PM |
#65 |
| -
It seems that we have two very different attitudes toward law. I believe that |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:52 PM |
#73 |
| -
I don't know, if this guy, or anyone, was able to kill more people specifically |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:05 PM |
#81 |
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He would have killed more people firing a shotgun at close range into the crowd. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:54 PM |
#97 |
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I don't care if anyone studies a ban on shotguns. As the owner of a shotgun. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:57 PM |
#99 |
| -
I rather prefer... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:05 PM |
#101 |
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Sometimes solutions = laws. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:23 PM |
#110 |
| -
Because as we all know... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#118 |
| -
Hmm. Yep, I still want reasonable laws. Even if they're not a deterrent, they are |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 03:34 PM |
#129 |
| -
First... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 03:58 PM |
#140 |
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Big whoop, and a clue |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 04:18 PM |
#148 |
| -
If I kill someone with a chain saw... |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:42 PM |
#178 |
| -
Look at it from the other direction: if it could be demonstrated that banning |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 02:45 PM |
#120 |
| -
Show us how an "extended" magazine will "keep the body count lower"... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:56 PM |
#139 |
| -
"All the mass shoot 'em ups" with extended "clips"... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 12:50 PM |
#72 |
| -
Then let's not even question the wisdom of allowing them to be sold to the public. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
# |
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Strawman. There are roughly 20,000 laws regarding firearms in this country. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:01 PM |
#79 |
| -
And when new incidents show that certain items result in higher body counts, |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:10 PM |
#85 |
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There is no evidence and ATF, DOJ, and CDC all did studies |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:13 PM |
#86 |
| -
Laws get initiated or changed based on new events. Always. That's how it works. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:25 PM |
#89 |
| -
However a law that did nothing before is unlikely to magically be useful the second time around. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:35 PM |
#92 |
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Not asking you to support it. But I'm being told it's not even worth discussing. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:50 PM |
#96 |
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Discuss away. I just don't like junk legislation... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:07 PM |
#144 |
| -
It's not worth discussing, for reasons that have already been given to you. |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:34 PM |
#175 |
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Not quite. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:03 PM |
#100 |
| -
Right--and when your right to buy and own something interferes with my right |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:08 PM |
#102 |
| -
False dichotomy. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:16 PM |
#106 |
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My right to safety overrides your right to buy, possess, manufacture, or |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:25 PM |
#111 |
| -
Thats arguable. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:34 PM |
#113 |
| -
The "in certain contexts" is key. |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:46 PM |
#121 |
| -
What does this perceived "right to safety" entail, and where is it enumerated? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-14-11 03:44 PM |
#132 |
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His right to do so has not endangered you. |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:36 PM |
#176 |
| -
yes as should sale of ammunition to civilians. nt |
bowens43 |
Jan-14-11 11:29 AM |
#45 |
| -
You going to ban wheel weights? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 02:28 PM |
#112 |
| -
Prohibitionism. It's what's for dinner; slippery slopes are for dessert. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:11 PM |
#145 |
| -
Prescription for Democratic defeat, no matter the logic.... |
steve2470 |
Jan-14-11 11:31 AM |
#46 |
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You've started the discussion on the wrong foot by invoking "need" |
slackmaster |
Jan-14-11 11:37 AM |
#51 |
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No they should not be banned |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-14-11 11:51 AM |
#54 |
| -
stop |
john donathon |
Jan-14-11 12:20 PM |
#62 |
| -
Banning extended magazines isn't going to solve the problem. |
Lucian |
Jan-14-11 12:22 PM |
#63 |
| -
No. And not just because I own a couple. |
immoderate |
Jan-14-11 12:39 PM |
#66 |
| -
How about both. n/t |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 12:44 PM |
#70 |
| -
Very nice gun! I own one as well. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 02:56 PM |
#124 |
| -
Wow! This tread must be deep in unrecs. |
immoderate |
Jan-14-11 12:41 PM |
#67 |
| -
Absolutely. |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 12:44 PM |
#69 |
| -
Ah, yes the "slippery slope" in action... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:18 PM |
#147 |
| -
Her body guards should but only by permit. n/t |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 04:28 PM |
#151 |
| -
Is there something about her body? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 08:17 PM |
#160 |
| -
extended stupidty should be banned. nt |
GSLevel9 |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
#74 |
| -
Why the artificial number of 10? |
ManiacJoe |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
#75 |
| -
Why do cops carry STANDARD CAPACITY magazines? |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 12:56 PM |
#76 |
| -
LOL, and I suppose you're the judge on a "logical defense"? |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 12:58 PM |
#77 |
| -
I am of a mixed mind on the issue. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-14-11 01:21 PM |
#88 |
| -
Here's one way to look at it... |
rrneck |
Jan-14-11 02:08 PM |
#103 |
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No. |
Xela |
Jan-14-11 02:20 PM |
#109 |
| -
Given that the majority of civilian pistols hold more than 10 rounds, |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:36 PM |
#114 |
| -
It's nice not reloading every 13 seconds while doing drills. |
ileus |
Jan-14-11 02:39 PM |
#115 |
| -
No. Banning extended mgazines is a "feel good" law ... |
spin |
Jan-14-11 02:44 PM |
#119 |
| -
How many people have been killed using "extended clips?" nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:27 PM |
#126 |
| -
False assumption. The STANDARD magazine for most of the newer handguns is 14-19 |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-14-11 07:31 PM |
#158 |
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Jan-15-11 05:04 AM |
#162 |
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Abso- FRACKING- lutely not |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 05:54 AM |
#163 |
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Jan-15-11 05:59 AM |
#164 |
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So, your idea solves nothing |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:01 AM |
#165 |
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Jan-15-11 06:03 AM |
#166 |
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Do you want to actually discuss this |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:05 AM |
#167 |
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Jan-15-11 06:08 AM |
#168 |
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Good bye NT |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:12 AM |
#169 |
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Jan-15-11 06:13 AM |
#170 |
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Damn that was quick NT |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:29 AM |
#171 |
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Last I checked, prohibitionists have the burden of proof. |
Callisto32 |
Jan-15-11 06:50 AM |
#172 |
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I agree, however |
shadowrider |
Jan-15-11 07:43 AM |
#173 |
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It's been done |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 08:54 AM |
#174 |
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