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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:53 PM
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Then let's not even question the wisdom of allowing them to be sold to the public.
Because lord knows we're allowed to buy and sell whatever we like in this country, with no regulations in place for public safety, right?
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  -Should extended magazines be banned? Bandit  Jan-14-11 10:56 AM   #0 
  - What if 11 armed criminals have broken into your house and are hiding behind your fridge?  FSogol   Jan-14-11 10:59 AM   #1 
  - That's why machine guns need to be legalized.  Bandit   Jan-14-11 11:00 AM   #3 
  - They are, but it takes a Federal firearms license  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:01 AM   #8 
     - Have you ever fired a machine gun?  Bandit   Jan-14-11 11:09 AM   #18 
     - Yes; I carried and fired my platoon's M240-G  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   #21 
        - I was a door gunner on a gunship in Vietnam  Bandit   Jan-14-11 11:18 AM   #32 
           - You got a foot-wide grouping with an M-60 on a gunship moving at 80mph?  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:21 AM   #38 
           - I did not say I got a foot wide grouping  Bandit   Jan-14-11 01:03 PM   #80 
              - Ah, sorry, I misread that  Recursion   Jan-14-11 01:06 PM   #82 
           - Note to self: Don't joke around with Bandit.  FSogol   Jan-14-11 11:59 AM   #56 
     - Proof That Gun Control Programs Work. (n/t)  Paladin   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   # 
        - Yes, the NFA has been very effective  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:12 AM   #24 
           - I don't believe machine guns were particularly rare in Chicago during prohibition.  badtoworse   Jan-14-11 12:17 PM   #61 
           - A bit of history  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 02:11 PM   #104 
              - Very interesting post! Thanks for the history lesson.  badtoworse   Jan-14-11 02:40 PM   #117 
           - i wish they werent so rare  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 03:51 PM   #137 
              - Then buy one for someone needy  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 04:16 PM   #146 
                 - wish this forum had rep features  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 04:21 PM   #150 
                    - rep features? huh?  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 04:46 PM   #152 
                       - if you like someones post  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 05:01 PM   #154 
                          - Ahhh. A "rec" button. Same thing only different.. n/t  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 05:05 PM   #155 
                             - apologies  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 05:32 PM   #157 
  - Hey, it could happen--ever seen "A ChristmasStory?" That was based on Jean Shepherd's  blondeatlast   Jan-14-11 11:00 AM   #5 
  - You should always have one up the pipe  michreject   Jan-14-11 11:01 AM   #7 
  - Find A New Pick-Up Line....... (n/t)  Paladin   Jan-14-11 11:12 AM   #25 
     - I guess that was suppose to be whitty  michreject   Jan-14-11 11:18 AM   #31 
  - The police always say: Do not try to be a hero. Just give them what they ask for.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 11:06 AM   #16 
     - Yeah ok  Brilliantrocket   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   # 
     - A nation of living wimps is preferable to a nation of dead toughguys.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 02:16 PM   #105 
     - that doesnt always work  bossy22   Jan-14-11 01:10 PM   #84 
     - Good thing neither party had a gun.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 02:17 PM   #107 
        - yeah, it would be a shame  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 04:02 PM   #143 
     - and when they kill you anyways? Do you get a do-over? n/t  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:14 PM   #87 
     - Most of the time, all they want is your cash so they can go score some drugs. Just give it to them.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 02:18 PM   #108 
        - and the time they don't? Roughly 20% of all homicides occur in the comission of another crime.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 03:04 PM   #125 
     - I would not use a firearm to protect cash.  benEzra   Jan-14-11 02:50 PM   #122 
     - Like these clerks?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 03:28 PM   #127 
     - as an every day carrier  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 04:01 PM   #142 
  - In case I mugged by 12 bad guys  michreject   Jan-14-11 11:00 AM   #2 
  - If you get mugged, it is best if you just comply with the demands of the mugger. Attempting to use a  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 11:05 AM   #13 
     - Then I die nt  michreject   Jan-14-11 11:12 AM   #26 
  - There are millions of them in the country. How are you going to get them?  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:00 AM   #4 
  - Make them illegal to be sold  Bandit   Jan-14-11 11:02 AM   #9 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 11:04 AM   #11 
  - And when an owner of the magazines dies?  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:06 AM   #15 
  - Magazine size: deck chairs on the Titanic. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:34 PM   #130 
  - Its simple. If you get cuaght with one, you get a pre-determined jail sentence, say ten years, nt  right2bfree   Jan-15-11 04:36 AM   #161 
     - That wasn't the deal  Recursion   Jan-15-11 12:37 PM   #177 
     - I wasnt reffering to thier ideas. One large magazine=10 Years!  right2bfree   Jan-16-11 06:40 PM   #179 
     - Your username seems to be in conflict  Abq_Sarah   Jan-17-11 01:27 PM   #180 
  - If transfer is illegal, what happens when you die or transfer your guns to your adult daughter/son?  benEzra   Jan-14-11 02:40 PM   #116 
  - Hmmm, "gun show?" How about over the kitchen table?  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:33 PM   #128 
  - Yoe you are correct but we have even more since Bush  Tippy   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   #19 
     - If we repealed the fourth amendment  Brilliantrocket   Jan-14-11 11:16 AM   #30 
     - But we are not talking about cars we are talking about  Tippy   Jan-14-11 11:43 AM   #52 
        - So do I n/t  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 01:08 PM   #83 
        - Actually, these magazines are used by those who...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:41 PM   #131 
     - Bush didn't make the legal.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 12:58 PM   #78 
     - Bush did not make them legal again.  beevul   Jan-14-11 01:40 PM   #93 
  - Extended Magazines keep the NRA happy?  Tippy   Jan-14-11 11:01 AM   #6 
  - Yes, there are those here at DU who will defend the need for extended clips.  elocs   Jan-14-11 11:02 AM   #10 
  - Its not a matter of simply defending a need.  beevul   Jan-14-11 01:43 PM   #94 
  - And the gun-controllers will spur the manufacture and sale of these magazines.  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:44 PM   #133 
  - i dont "need"  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 04:19 PM   #149 
  - Yes! Of course.  Shagbark Hickory   Jan-14-11 11:04 AM   #12 
  - I love it...  beevul   Jan-14-11 01:46 PM   #95 
  - Here's a good example of why they shouldn't be banned.  Brilliantrocket   Jan-14-11 11:06 AM   #14 
  - Is that the magazine for enhanced male performance? I think I read it once  The Straight Story   Jan-14-11 11:07 AM   #17 
  - It's settled Law! I want my guns!  Kingofalldems   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   #20 
  - do you need organic tofu at $20/lb from the yuppie market?  Kali   Jan-14-11 11:10 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-14-11 11:11 AM   #23 
  - Why does anyone NEED more than three bullets? One?  Xithras   Jan-14-11 11:13 AM   #27 
  - I am a gun owner and support the 2nd Amendment  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:14 AM   #28 
  - "they will want a lower limit to 5 and so on until all guns are banned"  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 11:15 AM   #29 
  - Dems don't learn from their mistakes...  Brilliantrocket   Jan-14-11 11:20 AM   #34 
  - That's the goal and you know it. n/t  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:20 AM   #35 
  - Nope. Nice try though :)  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 11:23 AM   #41 
     - Here you go, post number 48 proves my point n/t  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:31 AM   #47 
        - How does my post prove your point? I simply said that you are wrong about the slippery slope.  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 11:32 AM   #48 
           - I made a typo #48 n/t  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:34 AM   #49 
           - That is the ultimate goal of most of the anti-gun people. As far  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:37 AM   #50 
           - See post 141 nt  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 08:06 PM   #159 
  - The Brady Campaign introduced a 6-round limit in 1994 (H.R.3932/S.1878, known as "Brady II").  benEzra   Jan-14-11 02:53 PM   #123 
  - Take a look at #123. When you are through laughing, of course. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:48 PM   #134 
  - Some proof.  beevul   Jan-14-11 03:53 PM   #138 
  - So common sense is overridden by vague slippery slope imaginings.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 11:20 AM   #37 
     - That is the gun lobby position, anyway it is a non-starter  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:22 AM   #39 
     - Of course. Paranoia about gun grabbing keeps us from doing ANYTHING rational  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #42 
        - I agree. Nobody needs a 30 round magazine but as long as  doc03   Jan-14-11 11:28 AM   #44 
        - Cho killed far more with much smaller mags; he just carried extras.nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:50 PM   #136 
        - Perhaps you will read post 138...  beevul   Jan-14-11 04:56 PM   #153 
     - #123.nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:49 PM   #135 
     - I have a question  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 04:01 PM   #141 
  - Your explanation of why I need only 10 shots is as much conjecture as my argument that I need 30...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 11:18 AM   #33 
  - Because reloading is not a big deal for legal uses of guns  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 11:28 AM   #43 
     - "it's not a big deal"...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 11:49 AM   #53 
     - Oh, I'm not saying it would necessarily save people in every instance.  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 12:14 PM   #60 
        - Well, the constitutionality remains to be seen...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 12:48 PM   #71 
        - Well technically yes. All laws that restrict rights are infringements.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:30 PM   #91 
     - To answer the OP's question about why I feel I might need 31 rounds:  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 11:56 AM   #55 
     - Like it was a problem for Cho. Who was smart enough to use 2 guns.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:26 PM   #90 
  - What are you posting this crap here for? Flame bait?  L0oniX   Jan-14-11 11:20 AM   #36 
  - It's a reasonable question, in light of all the mass shoot-em-ups we have every year.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 11:23 AM   #40 
     - It's not flambebait, it's just the wrong question. When proposing a ban, the onus  petronius   Jan-14-11 12:02 PM   #57 
     - It's not a "wrong" question. It's never wrong to explore ways to keep the body count lower  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 12:05 PM   #58 
        - It's fine to ask and discuss, it's wrong as a starting point for discussing a ban  petronius   Jan-14-11 12:13 PM   #59 
        - Why shouldn't people who own high-capacity magazines explain their desire?  BzaDem   Jan-14-11 12:25 PM   #64 
        - Why should they have to? It's really a basic question about the philosophy of  petronius   Jan-14-11 12:43 PM   #68 
        - For the same reasons that those who wish...  beevul   Jan-14-11 01:57 PM   #98 
        - Your question has swayed me.  NewMoonTherian   Jan-14-11 05:13 PM   #156 
        - How can anyone decide that it won't make a difference if we can't even question  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 12:26 PM   #65 
           - It seems that we have two very different attitudes toward law. I believe that  petronius   Jan-14-11 12:52 PM   #73 
              - I don't know, if this guy, or anyone, was able to kill more people specifically  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 01:05 PM   #81 
                 - He would have killed more people firing a shotgun at close range into the crowd.  beevul   Jan-14-11 01:54 PM   #97 
                 - I don't care if anyone studies a ban on shotguns. As the owner of a shotgun.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 01:57 PM   #99 
                    - I rather prefer...  beevul   Jan-14-11 02:05 PM   #101 
                       - Sometimes solutions = laws.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 02:23 PM   #110 
                          - Because as we all know...  beevul   Jan-14-11 02:40 PM   #118 
                             - Hmm. Yep, I still want reasonable laws. Even if they're not a deterrent, they are  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 03:34 PM   #129 
                                - First...  beevul   Jan-14-11 03:58 PM   #140 
                                - Big whoop, and a clue  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 04:18 PM   #148 
                                - If I kill someone with a chain saw...  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 12:42 PM   #178 
                 - Look at it from the other direction: if it could be demonstrated that banning  petronius   Jan-14-11 02:45 PM   #120 
        - Show us how an "extended" magazine will "keep the body count lower"...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:56 PM   #139 
     - "All the mass shoot 'em ups" with extended "clips"...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 12:50 PM   #72 
        - Then let's not even question the wisdom of allowing them to be sold to the public.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 12:53 PM   # 
           - Strawman. There are roughly 20,000 laws regarding firearms in this country.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:01 PM   #79 
              - And when new incidents show that certain items result in higher body counts,  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 01:10 PM   #85 
                 - There is no evidence and ATF, DOJ, and CDC all did studies  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:13 PM   #86 
                    - Laws get initiated or changed based on new events. Always. That's how it works.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 01:25 PM   #89 
                       - However a law that did nothing before is unlikely to magically be useful the second time around.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 01:35 PM   #92 
                       - Not asking you to support it. But I'm being told it's not even worth discussing.  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 01:50 PM   #96 
                          - Discuss away. I just don't like junk legislation...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:07 PM   #144 
                          - It's not worth discussing, for reasons that have already been given to you.  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 12:34 PM   #175 
                       - Not quite.  beevul   Jan-14-11 02:03 PM   #100 
                          - Right--and when your right to buy and own something interferes with my right  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 02:08 PM   #102 
                             - False dichotomy.  beevul   Jan-14-11 02:16 PM   #106 
                                - My right to safety overrides your right to buy, possess, manufacture, or  TwilightGardener   Jan-14-11 02:25 PM   #111 
                                   - Thats arguable.  beevul   Jan-14-11 02:34 PM   #113 
                                   - The "in certain contexts" is key.  benEzra   Jan-14-11 02:46 PM   #121 
                                   - What does this perceived "right to safety" entail, and where is it enumerated?  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-14-11 03:44 PM   #132 
                                   - His right to do so has not endangered you.  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 12:36 PM   #176 
  - yes as should sale of ammunition to civilians. nt  bowens43   Jan-14-11 11:29 AM   #45 
  - You going to ban wheel weights?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 02:28 PM   #112 
  - Prohibitionism. It's what's for dinner; slippery slopes are for dessert. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:11 PM   #145 
  - Prescription for Democratic defeat, no matter the logic....  steve2470   Jan-14-11 11:31 AM   #46 
  - You've started the discussion on the wrong foot by invoking "need"  slackmaster   Jan-14-11 11:37 AM   #51 
  - No they should not be banned  RamboLiberal   Jan-14-11 11:51 AM   #54 
  - stop  john donathon   Jan-14-11 12:20 PM   #62 
  - Banning extended magazines isn't going to solve the problem.  Lucian   Jan-14-11 12:22 PM   #63 
  - No. And not just because I own a couple.  immoderate   Jan-14-11 12:39 PM   #66 
  - How about both. n/t  Cleita   Jan-14-11 12:44 PM   #70 
  - Very nice gun! I own one as well.  badtoworse   Jan-14-11 02:56 PM   #124 
  - Wow! This tread must be deep in unrecs.  immoderate   Jan-14-11 12:41 PM   #67 
  - Absolutely.  Cleita   Jan-14-11 12:44 PM   #69 
  - Ah, yes the "slippery slope" in action...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:18 PM   #147 
     - Her body guards should but only by permit. n/t  Cleita   Jan-14-11 04:28 PM   #151 
        - Is there something about her body?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 08:17 PM   #160 
  - extended stupidty should be banned. nt  GSLevel9   Jan-14-11 12:53 PM   #74 
  - Why the artificial number of 10?  ManiacJoe   Jan-14-11 12:53 PM   #75 
  - Why do cops carry STANDARD CAPACITY magazines?  Statistical   Jan-14-11 12:56 PM   #76 
  - LOL, and I suppose you're the judge on a "logical defense"?  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 12:58 PM   #77 
  - I am of a mixed mind on the issue.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-14-11 01:21 PM   #88 
  - Here's one way to look at it...  rrneck   Jan-14-11 02:08 PM   #103 
  - No.  Xela   Jan-14-11 02:20 PM   #109 
  - Given that the majority of civilian pistols hold more than 10 rounds,  benEzra   Jan-14-11 02:36 PM   #114 
  - It's nice not reloading every 13 seconds while doing drills.  ileus   Jan-14-11 02:39 PM   #115 
  - No. Banning extended mgazines is a "feel good" law ...  spin   Jan-14-11 02:44 PM   #119 
  - How many people have been killed using "extended clips?" nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 03:27 PM   #126 
  - False assumption. The STANDARD magazine for most of the newer handguns is 14-19  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-14-11 07:31 PM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 05:04 AM   #162 
  - Abso- FRACKING- lutely not  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 05:54 AM   #163 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 05:59 AM   #164 
        - So, your idea solves nothing  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 06:01 AM   #165 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 06:03 AM   #166 
              - Do you want to actually discuss this  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 06:05 AM   #167 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 06:08 AM   #168 
                    - Good bye NT  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 06:12 AM   #169 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 06:13 AM   #170 
                       - Damn that was quick NT  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 06:29 AM   #171 
  - Last I checked, prohibitionists have the burden of proof.  Callisto32   Jan-15-11 06:50 AM   #172 
  - I agree, however  shadowrider   Jan-15-11 07:43 AM   #173 
  - It's been done  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 08:54 AM   #174 

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