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Fri Jan-14-11 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #40 |
| 72. "All the mass shoot 'em ups" with extended "clips"... |
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I can't think if many AT ALL aside from Tuscon.
How many mass shootings have been committed with these 30 round extended clips in the past 6 years since the AWB expired?
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| -Should extended magazines be banned? |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 10:56 AM |
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What if 11 armed criminals have broken into your house and are hiding behind your fridge? |
FSogol |
Jan-14-11 10:59 AM |
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That's why machine guns need to be legalized. |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
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They are, but it takes a Federal firearms license |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
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Have you ever fired a machine gun? |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:09 AM |
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Yes; I carried and fired my platoon's M240-G |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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I was a door gunner on a gunship in Vietnam |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
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You got a foot-wide grouping with an M-60 on a gunship moving at 80mph? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:21 AM |
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I did not say I got a foot wide grouping |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 01:03 PM |
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Ah, sorry, I misread that |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 01:06 PM |
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Note to self: Don't joke around with Bandit. |
FSogol |
Jan-14-11 11:59 AM |
#56 |
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Proof That Gun Control Programs Work. (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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Yes, the NFA has been very effective |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
#24 |
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I don't believe machine guns were particularly rare in Chicago during prohibition. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 12:17 PM |
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A bit of history |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 02:11 PM |
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Very interesting post! Thanks for the history lesson. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#117 |
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i wish they werent so rare |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 03:51 PM |
#137 |
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Then buy one for someone needy |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 04:16 PM |
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wish this forum had rep features |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:21 PM |
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rep features? huh? |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 04:46 PM |
#152 |
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if you like someones post |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 05:01 PM |
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Ahhh. A "rec" button. Same thing only different.. n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 05:05 PM |
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apologies |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 05:32 PM |
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Hey, it could happen--ever seen "A ChristmasStory?" That was based on Jean Shepherd's |
blondeatlast |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
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You should always have one up the pipe |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
#7 |
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Find A New Pick-Up Line....... (n/t) |
Paladin |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
#25 |
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I guess that was suppose to be whitty |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
#31 |
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The police always say: Do not try to be a hero. Just give them what they ask for. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
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Yeah ok |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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A nation of living wimps is preferable to a nation of dead toughguys. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:16 PM |
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that doesnt always work |
bossy22 |
Jan-14-11 01:10 PM |
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Good thing neither party had a gun. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:17 PM |
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yeah, it would be a shame |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:02 PM |
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and when they kill you anyways? Do you get a do-over? n/t |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:14 PM |
#87 |
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Most of the time, all they want is your cash so they can go score some drugs. Just give it to them. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 02:18 PM |
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and the time they don't? Roughly 20% of all homicides occur in the comission of another crime. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 03:04 PM |
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I would not use a firearm to protect cash. |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:50 PM |
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Like these clerks? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 03:28 PM |
#127 |
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as an every day carrier |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:01 PM |
#142 |
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In case I mugged by 12 bad guys |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
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If you get mugged, it is best if you just comply with the demands of the mugger. Attempting to use a |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:05 AM |
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Then I die nt |
michreject |
Jan-14-11 11:12 AM |
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There are millions of them in the country. How are you going to get them? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:00 AM |
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Make them illegal to be sold |
Bandit |
Jan-14-11 11:02 AM |
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Jan-14-11 11:04 AM |
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And when an owner of the magazines dies? |
Recursion |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
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Magazine size: deck chairs on the Titanic. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:34 PM |
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Its simple. If you get cuaght with one, you get a pre-determined jail sentence, say ten years, nt |
right2bfree |
Jan-15-11 04:36 AM |
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That wasn't the deal |
Recursion |
Jan-15-11 12:37 PM |
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I wasnt reffering to thier ideas. One large magazine=10 Years! |
right2bfree |
Jan-16-11 06:40 PM |
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Your username seems to be in conflict |
Abq_Sarah |
Jan-17-11 01:27 PM |
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If transfer is illegal, what happens when you die or transfer your guns to your adult daughter/son? |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#116 |
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Hmmm, "gun show?" How about over the kitchen table? |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:33 PM |
#128 |
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Yoe you are correct but we have even more since Bush |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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If we repealed the fourth amendment |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:16 AM |
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But we are not talking about cars we are talking about |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:43 AM |
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So do I n/t |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 01:08 PM |
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Actually, these magazines are used by those who... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:41 PM |
#131 |
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Bush didn't make the legal. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 12:58 PM |
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Bush did not make them legal again. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:40 PM |
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Extended Magazines keep the NRA happy? |
Tippy |
Jan-14-11 11:01 AM |
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Yes, there are those here at DU who will defend the need for extended clips. |
elocs |
Jan-14-11 11:02 AM |
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Its not a matter of simply defending a need. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:43 PM |
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And the gun-controllers will spur the manufacture and sale of these magazines. |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:44 PM |
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i dont "need" |
YllwFvr |
Jan-14-11 04:19 PM |
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Yes! Of course. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Jan-14-11 11:04 AM |
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I love it... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:46 PM |
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Here's a good example of why they shouldn't be banned. |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
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Is that the magazine for enhanced male performance? I think I read it once |
The Straight Story |
Jan-14-11 11:07 AM |
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It's settled Law! I want my guns! |
Kingofalldems |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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do you need organic tofu at $20/lb from the yuppie market? |
Kali |
Jan-14-11 11:10 AM |
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Jan-14-11 11:11 AM |
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Why does anyone NEED more than three bullets? One? |
Xithras |
Jan-14-11 11:13 AM |
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I am a gun owner and support the 2nd Amendment |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:14 AM |
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"they will want a lower limit to 5 and so on until all guns are banned" |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:15 AM |
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Dems don't learn from their mistakes... |
Brilliantrocket |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
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That's the goal and you know it. n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
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Nope. Nice try though :) |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:23 AM |
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Here you go, post number 48 proves my point n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:31 AM |
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How does my post prove your point? I simply said that you are wrong about the slippery slope. |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:32 AM |
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I made a typo #48 n/t |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:34 AM |
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That is the ultimate goal of most of the anti-gun people. As far |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:37 AM |
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See post 141 nt |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 08:06 PM |
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The Brady Campaign introduced a 6-round limit in 1994 (H.R.3932/S.1878, known as "Brady II"). |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:53 PM |
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Take a look at #123. When you are through laughing, of course. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:48 PM |
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Some proof. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 03:53 PM |
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So common sense is overridden by vague slippery slope imaginings. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
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That is the gun lobby position, anyway it is a non-starter |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:22 AM |
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Of course. Paranoia about gun grabbing keeps us from doing ANYTHING rational |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:25 AM |
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I agree. Nobody needs a 30 round magazine but as long as |
doc03 |
Jan-14-11 11:28 AM |
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Cho killed far more with much smaller mags; he just carried extras.nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:50 PM |
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Perhaps you will read post 138... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 04:56 PM |
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#123.nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:49 PM |
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I have a question |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 04:01 PM |
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Your explanation of why I need only 10 shots is as much conjecture as my argument that I need 30... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:18 AM |
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Because reloading is not a big deal for legal uses of guns |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 11:28 AM |
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"it's not a big deal"... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:49 AM |
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Oh, I'm not saying it would necessarily save people in every instance. |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 12:14 PM |
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Well, the constitutionality remains to be seen... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 12:48 PM |
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Well technically yes. All laws that restrict rights are infringements. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:30 PM |
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To answer the OP's question about why I feel I might need 31 rounds: |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 11:56 AM |
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Like it was a problem for Cho. Who was smart enough to use 2 guns. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:26 PM |
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What are you posting this crap here for? Flame bait? |
L0oniX |
Jan-14-11 11:20 AM |
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It's a reasonable question, in light of all the mass shoot-em-ups we have every year. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 11:23 AM |
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It's not flambebait, it's just the wrong question. When proposing a ban, the onus |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:02 PM |
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It's not a "wrong" question. It's never wrong to explore ways to keep the body count lower |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:05 PM |
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It's fine to ask and discuss, it's wrong as a starting point for discussing a ban |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:13 PM |
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Why shouldn't people who own high-capacity magazines explain their desire? |
BzaDem |
Jan-14-11 12:25 PM |
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Why should they have to? It's really a basic question about the philosophy of |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:43 PM |
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For the same reasons that those who wish... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:57 PM |
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Your question has swayed me. |
NewMoonTherian |
Jan-14-11 05:13 PM |
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How can anyone decide that it won't make a difference if we can't even question |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:26 PM |
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It seems that we have two very different attitudes toward law. I believe that |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 12:52 PM |
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I don't know, if this guy, or anyone, was able to kill more people specifically |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:05 PM |
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He would have killed more people firing a shotgun at close range into the crowd. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 01:54 PM |
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I don't care if anyone studies a ban on shotguns. As the owner of a shotgun. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:57 PM |
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I rather prefer... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:05 PM |
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Sometimes solutions = laws. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:23 PM |
#110 |
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Because as we all know... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:40 PM |
#118 |
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Hmm. Yep, I still want reasonable laws. Even if they're not a deterrent, they are |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 03:34 PM |
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First... |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 03:58 PM |
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Big whoop, and a clue |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 04:18 PM |
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If I kill someone with a chain saw... |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:42 PM |
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Look at it from the other direction: if it could be demonstrated that banning |
petronius |
Jan-14-11 02:45 PM |
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Show us how an "extended" magazine will "keep the body count lower"... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:56 PM |
#139 |
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"All the mass shoot 'em ups" with extended "clips"... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jan-14-11 12:50 PM |
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Then let's not even question the wisdom of allowing them to be sold to the public. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
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Strawman. There are roughly 20,000 laws regarding firearms in this country. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:01 PM |
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And when new incidents show that certain items result in higher body counts, |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:10 PM |
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There is no evidence and ATF, DOJ, and CDC all did studies |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:13 PM |
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Laws get initiated or changed based on new events. Always. That's how it works. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:25 PM |
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However a law that did nothing before is unlikely to magically be useful the second time around. |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 01:35 PM |
#92 |
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Not asking you to support it. But I'm being told it's not even worth discussing. |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 01:50 PM |
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Discuss away. I just don't like junk legislation... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:07 PM |
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It's not worth discussing, for reasons that have already been given to you. |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:34 PM |
#175 |
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Not quite. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:03 PM |
#100 |
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Right--and when your right to buy and own something interferes with my right |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:08 PM |
#102 |
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False dichotomy. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:16 PM |
#106 |
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My right to safety overrides your right to buy, possess, manufacture, or |
TwilightGardener |
Jan-14-11 02:25 PM |
#111 |
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Thats arguable. |
beevul |
Jan-14-11 02:34 PM |
#113 |
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The "in certain contexts" is key. |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:46 PM |
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What does this perceived "right to safety" entail, and where is it enumerated? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jan-14-11 03:44 PM |
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His right to do so has not endangered you. |
PavePusher |
Jan-15-11 12:36 PM |
#176 |
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yes as should sale of ammunition to civilians. nt |
bowens43 |
Jan-14-11 11:29 AM |
#45 |
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You going to ban wheel weights? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 02:28 PM |
#112 |
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Prohibitionism. It's what's for dinner; slippery slopes are for dessert. nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:11 PM |
#145 |
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Prescription for Democratic defeat, no matter the logic.... |
steve2470 |
Jan-14-11 11:31 AM |
#46 |
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You've started the discussion on the wrong foot by invoking "need" |
slackmaster |
Jan-14-11 11:37 AM |
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No they should not be banned |
RamboLiberal |
Jan-14-11 11:51 AM |
#54 |
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stop |
john donathon |
Jan-14-11 12:20 PM |
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Banning extended magazines isn't going to solve the problem. |
Lucian |
Jan-14-11 12:22 PM |
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No. And not just because I own a couple. |
immoderate |
Jan-14-11 12:39 PM |
#66 |
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How about both. n/t |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 12:44 PM |
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Very nice gun! I own one as well. |
badtoworse |
Jan-14-11 02:56 PM |
#124 |
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Wow! This tread must be deep in unrecs. |
immoderate |
Jan-14-11 12:41 PM |
#67 |
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Absolutely. |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 12:44 PM |
#69 |
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Ah, yes the "slippery slope" in action... |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 04:18 PM |
#147 |
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Her body guards should but only by permit. n/t |
Cleita |
Jan-14-11 04:28 PM |
#151 |
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Is there something about her body? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jan-14-11 08:17 PM |
#160 |
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extended stupidty should be banned. nt |
GSLevel9 |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
#74 |
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Why the artificial number of 10? |
ManiacJoe |
Jan-14-11 12:53 PM |
#75 |
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Why do cops carry STANDARD CAPACITY magazines? |
Statistical |
Jan-14-11 12:56 PM |
#76 |
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LOL, and I suppose you're the judge on a "logical defense"? |
shadowrider |
Jan-14-11 12:58 PM |
#77 |
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I am of a mixed mind on the issue. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-14-11 01:21 PM |
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Here's one way to look at it... |
rrneck |
Jan-14-11 02:08 PM |
#103 |
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No. |
Xela |
Jan-14-11 02:20 PM |
#109 |
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Given that the majority of civilian pistols hold more than 10 rounds, |
benEzra |
Jan-14-11 02:36 PM |
#114 |
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It's nice not reloading every 13 seconds while doing drills. |
ileus |
Jan-14-11 02:39 PM |
#115 |
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No. Banning extended mgazines is a "feel good" law ... |
spin |
Jan-14-11 02:44 PM |
#119 |
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How many people have been killed using "extended clips?" nt |
SteveM |
Jan-14-11 03:27 PM |
#126 |
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False assumption. The STANDARD magazine for most of the newer handguns is 14-19 |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jan-14-11 07:31 PM |
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Jan-15-11 05:04 AM |
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Abso- FRACKING- lutely not |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 05:54 AM |
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Jan-15-11 05:59 AM |
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So, your idea solves nothing |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:01 AM |
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Jan-15-11 06:03 AM |
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Do you want to actually discuss this |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:05 AM |
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Jan-15-11 06:08 AM |
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Good bye NT |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:12 AM |
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Jan-15-11 06:13 AM |
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Damn that was quick NT |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 06:29 AM |
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Last I checked, prohibitionists have the burden of proof. |
Callisto32 |
Jan-15-11 06:50 AM |
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I agree, however |
shadowrider |
Jan-15-11 07:43 AM |
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It's been done |
RSillsbee |
Jan-15-11 08:54 AM |
#174 |
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