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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:14 AM
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6. Clearly that's a problem
that means on average, one out of ten people is defenseless!
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  -90 guns per 100 people kpete  Jan-14-11 09:51 AM   #0 
  - and about 3 gun murders per 100 THOUSAND people. Looks like most guns not used to kill. NT  dmallind   Jan-14-11 10:01 AM   #1 
  - What does that have to do with the number in the OP?  tridim   Jan-14-11 10:04 AM   #2 
  - Just goes to show how numbers work depending on what side of the arguement you are on.  William769   Jan-14-11 10:52 AM   #24 
  - I get defensive when people think our guns per capita number is just too low.  tridim   Jan-14-11 11:01 AM   #30 
     - Then you erred - I just think it's an irrelevant red herring  dmallind   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #49 
     - Who said or stated "our guns per capita number is just too low" ?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-14-11 11:52 AM   #61 
     - Straw. Who said "our guns per capita number is just too low?" Cites? nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:24 PM   #98 
     - It's about 10 people too low NT  RSillsbee   Jan-15-11 01:18 AM   #163 
  - as long as deaths don't skyrocket, I'm fine with the sale of guns.I own 4 myself :)  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 10:59 AM   #29 
  - Gun deaths skyrocketed in this country long ago.  tridim   Jan-14-11 11:03 AM   #31 
  - so when is a good time period that has the right amount of guns that should be out in the world?  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:08 AM   #37 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 11:12 AM   #41 
  - Corrections to your post...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:26 PM   #99 
  - gun ownership way up  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 07:49 PM   #133 
  - one death is too many, but that's not important is it?  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 11:27 AM   #53 
     - ANY death is a tragedy.  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:37 AM   #55 
     - your quote is "as long as deaths don't skyrocket"  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 11:38 AM   #56 
        - no.  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:04 PM   #63 
           - As long as you can keep your precious guns people can die from them  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:07 PM   #64 
              - that's the problem with freedoms, huh?  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:10 PM   #65 
              - Freedom to kill? You know what website you are on?  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:13 PM   #67 
                 - you are putting words in my mouth.  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:17 PM   #68 
                    - Nice diversion, we're talking about guns........  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:18 PM   #69 
                       - its an analogy... in case you didn't catch that..  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:21 PM   #71 
                          - Your original quote and insensitivity stands, we're done  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:27 PM   #72 
                             - I don't want people to die from drunk drivers, purposely or accidentally  shadowrider   Jan-14-11 12:30 PM   #73 
                             - Jump to his defence, in spite of his insensitiity, of course, you agree...  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:34 PM   #75 
                                - You put words in his mouth...  PavePusher   Jan-14-11 04:23 PM   #97 
                             - don't want anyone to die!! I want people to be free and I understand that  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:42 PM   #76 
                             - How do you feel about  rrneck   Jan-14-11 03:58 PM   #94 
                             - Whenever you say "we're done," it's a signal that you can't get enough! nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:33 PM   #103 
              - Specious and illogical, sad but expected. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:31 PM   #102 
     - And all you have to do to back that up as a case for gun control is demonstrate one thing  dmallind   Jan-14-11 02:27 PM   #84 
     - Sure whatever............  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 02:33 PM   #86 
     - You haven't presented any convincing arguments ...  spin   Jan-14-11 05:57 PM   #113 
     - You mean logic, data and facts can change minds ...  spin   Jan-14-11 06:00 PM   #114 
     - Nobody actually believes that "one death is too many"  Euromutt   Jan-14-11 10:41 PM   #148 
  - That's the point - it doesn't,.  dmallind   Jan-14-11 11:24 AM   #47 
  - Yup, get that point in, that's an acceptable death count yep....  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 11:26 AM   #51 
  - I'm ready for Red Dawn.  Renew Deal   Jan-14-11 10:05 AM   #3 
  - Wolverines...  WCGreen   Jan-14-11 10:54 AM   #27 
  - Ve-l-Iy interesting. I thought that guy on the right was in a German tank. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:36 PM   #104 
     - Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty or BMP  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 05:49 PM   #110 
  - I'm doing my part  michreject   Jan-14-11 10:06 AM   #4 
  - I hope you bring enough ammo for everyone.  -..__...   Jan-14-11 10:13 AM   #5 
     - I try and keep up.  michreject   Jan-14-11 10:25 AM   #12 
  - Clearly that's a problem  notesdev   Jan-14-11 10:14 AM   #6 
  - It's much worse than that...  NewMoonTherian   Jan-14-11 03:07 PM   #91 
  - yeah I know, but shhhh  notesdev   Jan-15-11 02:13 AM   #164 
  - I think I should help out and buy a new gun. Maybe XD-M in .40S&W?  Statistical   Jan-14-11 10:14 AM   #7 
  - Nah, go for the 45acp. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 10:18 AM   #9 
  - Yeah that is a contender  Statistical   Jan-14-11 10:23 AM   #10 
  - That's my next buy...  Cid_B   Jan-14-11 11:07 AM   #36 
  - Will that really make you feel better?  tridim   Jan-14-11 10:42 AM   #18 
  - Any chance you could mention...  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:11 PM   #115 
  - S&W MP9 .40 45 ...all good.  L0oniX   Jan-14-11 11:23 AM   #46 
  - Useless statistic because it doesn't account for multiple gun ownership.  yellowcanine   Jan-14-11 10:18 AM   #8 
  - Here is households stats ... pretty constant.  Statistical   Jan-14-11 10:24 AM   #11 
  - I take that with a grain of salt  michreject   Jan-14-11 10:28 AM   #14 
     - And likewise there are plenty of people who would say they HAD a gun when they didn't.  yellowcanine   Jan-14-11 10:37 AM   #15 
     - Absolutely true.  Xithras   Jan-14-11 10:45 AM   #20 
  - Or the 10/22 ruger I've got that needs a firing pin  snooper2   Jan-14-11 10:40 AM   #16 
  - The point of this useful statistic is a comparative per capita measure.  Gormy Cuss   Jan-14-11 11:05 AM   #34 
     - Interestingly...  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:14 PM   #116 
  - My husband used to own four guns.  Zephie   Jan-14-11 10:25 AM   #13 
  - Your husband sounds cool!  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 10:53 AM   #25 
  - I hate them too. Just like I hate people, we are so violent and selfish.  Threedifferentones   Jan-14-11 11:09 AM   #39 
  - Just don't "hate" the people who have them. Thanks. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:40 PM   #106 
  - now thats love  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 07:58 PM   #134 
  - Swap four guns for a cat?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 08:39 PM   #141 
  - but, but.... we are infringing on gun enthusiasts' rights...  fascisthunter   Jan-14-11 10:42 AM   #17 
  - Of course the point of the statistic is the "most heavily armed" part.  FredStembottom   Jan-14-11 10:44 AM   #19 
  - To keep the Rooskies out!  progressoid   Jan-14-11 10:52 AM   #23 
  - Somebody better tighten up  Fla_Democrat   Jan-14-11 10:49 AM   #21 
  - Best sig line I've seen in months. nt  rrneck   Jan-14-11 04:03 PM   #95 
  - The gun fixation is the most depressing thing about the US  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 10:51 AM   #22 
  - well because of the 2nd amendment, this love affair will remain.  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:03 AM   #32 
  - That, is pathetic and sick reasoning.  tridim   Jan-14-11 11:05 AM   #35 
  - Yeah that messy Constitution always seems to get in the way  Upton   Jan-14-11 11:09 AM   #40 
  - Can I see your "well regulated militia" membership card?  tridim   Jan-14-11 11:13 AM   #43 
     - US Code Title 10, Sub A, Part 1, Chapter 13, Sec 311  Recursion   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #48 
     - holy smokes! Does that mean women can't own guns?  provis99   Jan-14-11 03:05 PM   #90 
        - It says women who are not in the National Guard or Naval Militia are not in the unorganized militia  Recursion   Jan-14-11 03:12 PM   #92 
        - No, it means women are not obligated.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 07:13 PM   #128 
        - Certainly not...  NewMoonTherian   Jan-14-11 03:13 PM   #93 
        - It means you have revokable priviledge, not an inherent right  krispos42   Jan-14-11 11:34 PM   #153 
     - A well educated electorate being necessary for free elections,...  Statistical   Jan-14-11 12:21 PM   #70 
     - Mine looks like this  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 12:54 PM   #80 
     - Well?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 05:57 PM   #112 
     - No, but you can see this...  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:25 PM   #117 
     - from the Heller decision  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 08:02 PM   #136 
  - so anyone owning a gun is wrong is your eyes?  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:16 AM   #44 
     - No. I support the second amendment with reasonable restrictions.  tridim   Jan-14-11 11:20 AM   #45 
        - (I don't agree with this statement but I'm making it for an argument reason.)  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #50 
        - Translation: Restricted out of existance, as in Pre-Donald Chicago. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jan-14-11 01:02 PM   #81 
        - Would that be Donald Duck? nt  michreject   Jan-14-11 05:51 PM   #111 
        - Reasonable restrictions?  Straw Man   Jan-15-11 12:27 AM   #161 
  - 2nd amendment says well-regulated not de-regulated or un-regulated  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 11:27 AM   #52 
     - who is talking WMD's?  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 11:43 AM   #58 
     - Assault weapons such as in this instance are for  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 06:51 PM   #123 
     - Is that the current interpretation?  Fla_Democrat   Jan-14-11 11:51 AM   #60 
     - Current regulations allow a flaming psycho to buy an assault weapon  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 06:52 PM   #124 
        - You are mistaken  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 07:32 PM   #131 
        - assault weapons  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 08:07 PM   #137 
           - Oh please like a private citizen is going fight off  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 09:52 PM   #144 
              - it worked ok in nam  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 10:15 PM   #145 
                 - Oh we all need guns to be in a guerilla war with the US government?  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 10:39 PM   #146 
                    - Biological weapons didn't exist?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 11:01 PM   #150 
                    - So we all have a right to be armed with Smallpox virus or  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 11:37 PM   #155 
                       - I don't know if you are or not.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-15-11 12:47 AM   #162 
                       - I know some people with cannons  YllwFvr   Jan-15-11 12:52 PM   #165 
                    - the skin heads seem to be discontent  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 11:06 PM   #151 
     - Do you define an extended magazine as an WMD?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 04:31 PM   #101 
     - Yeah and aren't things just peachy over there.  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 06:53 PM   #125 
        - When was your last tour? nt  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 09:43 PM   #142 
           - Oh I guess I should have no opinion on Iraq  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 10:40 PM   #147 
              - Based on your other "first hand" expertise  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 11:35 PM   #154 
     - Definitions unclear...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:50 PM   #108 
     - OK by "well regulated" I mean to regulate in a proper manner  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 07:15 PM   #129 
        - I can buy military assault rifles at walmart?  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 08:10 PM   #138 
        - You have choices  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 09:46 PM   #143 
        - Do you really think they sell military assault rifles at walmart?  beevul   Jan-14-11 11:41 PM   #156 
     - Allow me to assist you.  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:26 PM   #118 
        - So what did they mean by "well regulated?"  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 06:49 PM   #122 
           - Taking it out of context, it could mean anything.  beevul   Jan-14-11 07:12 PM   #127 
              - Governments have NO POWER to regulate deadly weapons?  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 07:19 PM   #130 
                 - Applied differently...  beevul   Jan-14-11 07:45 PM   #132 
                    - Well then try NOT applying it differently  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 11:08 PM   #152 
                       - Jesus johnson.  beevul   Jan-14-11 11:52 PM   #157 
  - it's another type of drug problem.  FredStembottom   Jan-14-11 11:04 AM   #33 
  - I thought my old Ruger Police Service Six was cocaine in disguise...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:53 PM   #109 
  - Yeah, let's try Prohibition again! Third time's the charm, amirite?  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-15-11 12:14 AM   #159 
  - I agree --  Hell Hath No Fury   Jan-14-11 11:33 AM   #54 
  - "I think it is a sign of some seriously deep sickness as a culture and society"  lawodevolution   Jan-14-11 02:29 PM   #85 
  - Have an open mind?  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:34 PM   #119 
  - Why is having guns a "sickness in our culture?"  SteveM   Jan-14-11 04:44 PM   #107 
     - Gun LOVE is sick.  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 07:04 PM   #126 
        - Wow, thats a list of red herrings right there.  beevul   Jan-14-11 08:02 PM   #135 
        - "These things cause so much devastation"  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 08:17 PM   #139 
  - Actually I should think everybody would want to own at least one  Upton   Jan-14-11 10:54 AM   #26 
  - That would be resonable.  FredStembottom   Jan-14-11 11:09 AM   #38 
     - "Stock-piling"? Also known as hunters, sport shooters, and enthusiasts have different guns...  Taitertots   Jan-14-11 11:43 AM   #57 
     - It's too late to do anything now.  FredStembottom   Jan-14-11 11:49 AM   #59 
        - Dodge. n/t  PavePusher   Jan-14-11 04:27 PM   #100 
        - Intoxicating power?  Abq_Sarah   Jan-14-11 04:38 PM   #105 
     - No thats not it.  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:42 PM   #120 
  - those other ten need to step up, they are slacking.  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-14-11 10:57 AM   #28 
  - Kick and Rec (nt)  fascisthunter   Jan-14-11 11:13 AM   #42 
  - WOW.....that's a lot of guns  Cali_Democrat   Jan-14-11 11:54 AM   #62 
  - This is a lot of guns  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:12 PM   #66 
     - Great pic. What are they doing there?  TheCowsCameHome   Jan-14-11 12:33 PM   #74 
     - no one person had that amount.  svsuman23   Jan-14-11 12:44 PM   #77 
  - Explain, if you can  one-eyed fat man   Jan-14-11 12:49 PM   #78 
  - Ooh, ooh, I know, I know.. but I'll remain quiet :)  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 02:07 PM   #82 
  - Soon we will have those other ten armed too.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-14-11 12:52 PM   #79 
  - The "assault rifle" is also very popular here in El Paso  lawodevolution   Jan-14-11 02:21 PM   #83 
  - I assume...  beevul   Jan-14-11 06:48 PM   #121 
  - Most of them are here in Chicago. ntxt  DonP   Jan-14-11 04:10 PM   #96 
  - And after Republicans destroyed the economy for 8 years, we put them back in charge.  onehandle   Jan-14-11 02:41 PM   #87 
  - nice mag on that ak  YllwFvr   Jan-14-11 08:20 PM   #140 
  - The United States also has the oldest written Constitution ...  spin   Jan-14-11 02:49 PM   #88 
  - Yeah we are using Musket Law from the 1700's war for  K8-EEE   Jan-14-11 10:47 PM   #149 
     - Then attempt to...  beevul   Jan-14-11 11:55 PM   #158 
     - The First Amendment was also written in the 1700's . Please log off and use quill pens from now on.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-15-11 12:21 AM   #160 
  - 90:100 almost the golden ratio...  ileus   Jan-14-11 03:01 PM   #89 
 

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