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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #30
40. How do you figure?
It is already against Federal law to transfer a handgun out of state except to an FFL.

For example, you can not cross the bridge from Cincinnati to Covington and legally buy a handgun in a Kentucky gun store. You must show documentation showing your residency for a handgun sale, normally a driver's license.

If you buy a handgun from a private individual in Kentucky, you have still violated Federal law. If the seller knows you are from out of state, he has as well.

If a Kentucky FFL has a booth at a Cincinnati gun show, he can't deliver a gun to you. He must transfer the gun to an Ohio FFL, who then does the NICS check and, assuming you pass, delivers the gun to you.

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  -So, members of this forum, is the "Gun Show Loophole" real? KansasVoter  Jan-12-11 07:45 AM   #0 
  - Here is what a gun enthusiast told me yesterday  liberal N proud   Jan-12-11 07:53 AM   #1 
  - That does not sound right to me  badtoworse   Jan-12-11 08:03 AM   #2 
  - False  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:45 AM   #5 
  - You're friend is wrong.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:02 AM   #13 
  - 10 years in the federal pen  guitar man   Jan-12-11 09:40 AM   #22 
  - your friend is either mistaken or is a liar....  Flyboy_451   Jan-12-11 10:00 AM   #27 
  - Excellent/detailed/truthful post, sir! (n/t)  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:37 AM   #36 
  - Good response!  Hangingon   Jan-12-11 12:29 PM   #49 
  - That's a crock of shit  slackmaster   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #52 
  - Just posted what I was told by a gun enthusiast  liberal N proud   Jan-12-11 12:36 PM   #54 
  - Not true  kudzu22   Jan-12-11 12:41 PM   #55 
  - Are you sure he was a "gun enthusiast"? ...  spin   Jan-12-11 08:04 PM   #69 
  - You can do that if  old mark   Jan-12-11 08:12 PM   #71 
  - No it is not real.  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 08:09 AM   #3 
  - So can someone who cannot pass a normal background check get a gun at a show?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 08:40 AM   #4 
     - Read the Wikipedia article....  PoliticAverse   Jan-12-11 08:45 AM   #6 
     - A private sale  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 09:18 AM   #16 
     - But this makes the background check worthless. True?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:48 AM   #23 
     - So you agree that private sellers should be allowed/required to call in checks to NICS?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:40 AM   #39 
     - Able to ? Yes  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:32 AM   #46 
     - Should be allowed, can't be required  kudzu22   Jan-12-11 12:47 PM   #56 
     - I've always thought NICS was a waste of time  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:28 AM   #45 
     - Why would you say that?  pipoman   Jan-12-11 08:21 PM   #73 
        - I disagree  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 08:46 PM   #74 
     - Not if you want to buy a new gun.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-12-11 12:53 PM   #57 
     - if only I was so lucky  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 11:37 PM   #84 
     - Yes, that is true.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:04 PM   #61 
     - That according to self reports  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 03:43 PM   #64 
     - Maybe  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 09:19 AM   #17 
        - So basically, the store background check is worthless?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:48 AM   #24 
           - You might be right.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:27 AM   #32 
              - Wow, scary! Thanks!  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 11:51 AM   #47 
                 - Simple explanation  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 01:03 PM   #60 
  - From a dealer no from a ...  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:47 AM   #7 
  - Depends on the state.  PoliticAverse   Jan-12-11 08:49 AM   #9 
  - FFLs must do a background check on all sales, regardless of venue.  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 08:49 AM   #8 
  - You are correct. NT  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:59 AM   #11 
  - From the article  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 08:59 AM   #12 
     - Nor does the ATF break down those stats re straw sales, private sellers, or dealers.  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #53 
  - There is not a gun show loophole.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 08:57 AM   #10 
  - So why not require all sales of guns to require a back ground check?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:14 AM   #14 
     - Apparently there are not many people who wish it so.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:20 AM   #18 
     - Because the law would be meaningless w/out unilateral registration  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 09:20 AM   #19 
     - Whoops I thought you were responding to me.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:55 AM   #26 
     - It is now, but  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:20 AM   #29 
        - Its unclear if the Commerce Clause would allow it as a Federal law  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 10:40 AM   #38 
        - We've been here before  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:21 AM   #43 
     - It is a state issue  hack89   Jan-12-11 10:09 AM   #28 
     - If a high number of handguns  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:22 AM   #30 
        - No - it would involve interstate crime  hack89   Jan-12-11 10:33 AM   #33 
        - How do you figure?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:52 AM   #40 
           - None of which prevents me  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:25 AM   #44 
           - Just like driving 70 in a 65 zone  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 11:52 AM   #48 
              - So it is back on you  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #51 
                 - Not me, I bought a handgun at a garage sale  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 03:36 PM   #63 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-11 03:58 PM   #65 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-11 06:13 PM   #67 
                    - Only states can make that requirement., the Feds can't force them  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 07:47 PM   #68 
                       - My example of violating the speed limit  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 09:12 PM   #75 
                          - Isn't that a stretch?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:14 PM   #78 
                             - Sorry, I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  safeinOhio   Jan-13-11 08:26 AM   #85 
     - Because states will inact the 10th on it and private sales will continue to be legal within the  lawodevolution   Jan-12-11 10:39 AM   #37 
     - It is possible.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:09 PM   #62 
        - Kentucky has a better system.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:51 PM   #82 
  - I own 17 firearms......  Uben   Jan-12-11 09:15 AM   #15 
  - Good post!  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:23 AM   #20 
  - Your opinion represents  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:25 AM   #31 
  - That's what I believe, as well.  Uben   Jan-12-11 10:36 AM   #35 
  - You *believe* his opinion represents the majority of American gun owners  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-14-11 02:34 AM   #88 
  - Please clarify.  beevul   Jan-13-11 08:35 PM   #86 
  - It's not a loophole.  jeepnstein   Jan-12-11 09:23 AM   #21 
  - No it is not  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-12-11 09:51 AM   #25 
  - Yes, guns can be bought at a show with no background check. No, that is not a "loophole".  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:35 AM   #34 
  - If it allows a purchaser to bypass a NICS then I call it a loophole  RamboLiberal   Jan-12-11 10:53 AM   #41 
     - If call you a jerk that doesn't make you a jerk...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 11:13 AM   #42 
        - I still call it a loophole  RamboLiberal   Jan-12-11 04:09 PM   #66 
           - OK, now you understand what a loophole is.  ManiacJoe   Jan-14-11 01:17 AM   #87 
  - It depends on what state the show is in, local laws, and the rules of the particular show  slackmaster   Jan-12-11 12:33 PM   #50 
  - Most states allow private sales...gunshow or not.  ileus   Jan-12-11 12:54 PM   #58 
  - Buying firearms at a gun show.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:00 PM   #59 
  - i believe that you can only sell a limited number of guns a year  table1   Jan-12-11 08:12 PM   #72 
     - Not true  pipoman   Jan-12-11 09:39 PM   #76 
     - There is no set number  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 09:53 PM   #77 
  - Simply put, no...there is no such thing...nt  old mark   Jan-12-11 08:11 PM   #70 
  - Depends whether the seller is a licensed dealer or a private seller  Euromutt   Jan-12-11 10:26 PM   #79 
  - Q & A  russ1943   Jan-12-11 10:26 PM   #80 
  - Why don't they call it the "flea market loophole"?  DissedByBush   Jan-12-11 10:28 PM   #81 
  - Let me fix that question for you  krispos42   Jan-12-11 11:07 PM   #83 

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