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Flyboy_451 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-11 10:00 AM
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27. your friend is either mistaken or is a liar....
Is it possible to purchase the parts kit required to build full autos? Yes, but these parts kits are the parts that are regulated by federal law and require specific licensing and a $200 transfer tax.

The only parts kits that are available to anyone who does not have either a Class III dealers license or a Class II manufacturers license, are those made prior to 1986. Any of these items made after that are referred to as post sample parts and may only be traded amongst dealers, manufacturers and military/law enforcement agencies. The reason they are referred to as post sample is because they were manufactured after 1986 and the only way a dealer may possess them is on specific request from a military/law enforcement agency for a demonstration (or sample) of the weapon. Manufacturers may possess them because they are licensed to produce this type of equipment.

Now, after one has jumped through all the hoops required to get such licenses, do you really think it is likely that they are going to risk that investment to sell such parts to just anyone? Particularly, when these items are tightly regulated and tracked by the ATF? Seriously?

Ok, lets assume that we find such an unscrupulous dealer/manufacturer...The ATF has ruled that any semi-auto that can be readily converted to full auto IS A MACHINE GUN, and is thus, under the same requirements outlined previously. Just so there is not a misunderstanding here, that means that you can not go out and buy an AR-15 or AK clone and just buy a parts kit that drops in to make it full auto. The receivers are different, and the parts simply will not fit in them. In all likelihood, a skilled machinist with access to a machine shop could probably make such a conversion a reality, but now we are talking about far more than just buying some parts and throwing them into your AR-15. And you still have to be able to find the dealer willing to risk not only his freedom, but his business, to even acquire the parts. The myth of the gunshow machine gun is just that...a myth.

JW
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  -So, members of this forum, is the "Gun Show Loophole" real? KansasVoter  Jan-12-11 07:45 AM   #0 
  - Here is what a gun enthusiast told me yesterday  liberal N proud   Jan-12-11 07:53 AM   #1 
  - That does not sound right to me  badtoworse   Jan-12-11 08:03 AM   #2 
  - False  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:45 AM   #5 
  - You're friend is wrong.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:02 AM   #13 
  - 10 years in the federal pen  guitar man   Jan-12-11 09:40 AM   #22 
  - your friend is either mistaken or is a liar....  Flyboy_451   Jan-12-11 10:00 AM   #27 
  - Excellent/detailed/truthful post, sir! (n/t)  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:37 AM   #36 
  - Good response!  Hangingon   Jan-12-11 12:29 PM   #49 
  - That's a crock of shit  slackmaster   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #52 
  - Just posted what I was told by a gun enthusiast  liberal N proud   Jan-12-11 12:36 PM   #54 
  - Not true  kudzu22   Jan-12-11 12:41 PM   #55 
  - Are you sure he was a "gun enthusiast"? ...  spin   Jan-12-11 08:04 PM   #69 
  - You can do that if  old mark   Jan-12-11 08:12 PM   #71 
  - No it is not real.  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 08:09 AM   #3 
  - So can someone who cannot pass a normal background check get a gun at a show?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 08:40 AM   #4 
     - Read the Wikipedia article....  PoliticAverse   Jan-12-11 08:45 AM   #6 
     - A private sale  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 09:18 AM   #16 
     - But this makes the background check worthless. True?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:48 AM   #23 
     - So you agree that private sellers should be allowed/required to call in checks to NICS?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:40 AM   #39 
     - Able to ? Yes  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:32 AM   #46 
     - Should be allowed, can't be required  kudzu22   Jan-12-11 12:47 PM   #56 
     - I've always thought NICS was a waste of time  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:28 AM   #45 
     - Why would you say that?  pipoman   Jan-12-11 08:21 PM   #73 
        - I disagree  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 08:46 PM   #74 
     - Not if you want to buy a new gun.  GreenStormCloud   Jan-12-11 12:53 PM   #57 
     - if only I was so lucky  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 11:37 PM   #84 
     - Yes, that is true.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:04 PM   #61 
     - That according to self reports  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 03:43 PM   #64 
     - Maybe  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 09:19 AM   #17 
        - So basically, the store background check is worthless?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:48 AM   #24 
           - You might be right.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:27 AM   #32 
              - Wow, scary! Thanks!  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 11:51 AM   #47 
                 - Simple explanation  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 01:03 PM   #60 
  - From a dealer no from a ...  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:47 AM   #7 
  - Depends on the state.  PoliticAverse   Jan-12-11 08:49 AM   #9 
  - FFLs must do a background check on all sales, regardless of venue.  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 08:49 AM   #8 
  - You are correct. NT  27nitro   Jan-12-11 08:59 AM   #11 
  - From the wikipedia.org article  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 08:59 AM   #12 
     - Nor does the ATF break down those stats re straw sales, private sellers, or dealers.  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #53 
  - There is not a gun show loophole.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 08:57 AM   #10 
  - So why not require all sales of guns to require a back ground check?  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:14 AM   #14 
     - Apparently there are not many people who wish it so.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:20 AM   #18 
     - Because the law would be meaningless w/out unilateral registration  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 09:20 AM   #19 
     - Whoops I thought you were responding to me.  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 09:55 AM   #26 
     - It is now, but  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:20 AM   #29 
        - Its unclear if the Commerce Clause would allow it as a Federal law  aikoaiko   Jan-12-11 10:40 AM   #38 
        - We've been here before  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:21 AM   #43 
     - It is a state issue  hack89   Jan-12-11 10:09 AM   #28 
     - If a high number of handguns  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:22 AM   #30 
        - No - it would involve interstate crime  hack89   Jan-12-11 10:33 AM   #33 
        - How do you figure?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:52 AM   #40 
           - None of which prevents me  RSillsbee   Jan-12-11 11:25 AM   #44 
           - Just like driving 70 in a 65 zone  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 11:52 AM   #48 
              - So it is back on you  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 12:34 PM   #51 
                 - Not me, I bought a handgun at a garage sale  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 03:36 PM   #63 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-11 03:58 PM   #65 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-12-11 06:13 PM   #67 
                    - Only states can make that requirement., the Feds can't force them  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 07:47 PM   #68 
                       - My example of violating the speed limit  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 09:12 PM   #75 
                          - Isn't that a stretch?  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:14 PM   #78 
                             - Sorry, I'm not accusing anyone of anything.  safeinOhio   Jan-13-11 08:26 AM   #85 
     - Because states will inact the 10th on it and private sales will continue to be legal within the  lawodevolution   Jan-12-11 10:39 AM   #37 
     - It is possible.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:09 PM   #62 
        - Kentucky has a better system.  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 10:51 PM   #82 
  - I own 17 firearms......  Uben   Jan-12-11 09:15 AM   #15 
  - Good post!  KansasVoter   Jan-12-11 09:23 AM   #20 
  - Your opinion represents  safeinOhio   Jan-12-11 10:25 AM   #31 
  - That's what I believe, as well.  Uben   Jan-12-11 10:36 AM   #35 
  - You *believe* his opinion represents the majority of American gun owners  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-14-11 02:34 AM   #88 
  - Please clarify.  beevul   Jan-13-11 08:35 PM   #86 
  - It's not a loophole.  jeepnstein   Jan-12-11 09:23 AM   #21 
  - No it is not  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-12-11 09:51 AM   #25 
  - Yes, guns can be bought at a show with no background check. No, that is not a "loophole".  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 10:35 AM   #34 
  - If it allows a purchaser to bypass a NICS then I call it a loophole  RamboLiberal   Jan-12-11 10:53 AM   #41 
     - If call you a jerk that doesn't make you a jerk...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 11:13 AM   #42 
        - I still call it a loophole  RamboLiberal   Jan-12-11 04:09 PM   #66 
           - OK, now you understand what a loophole is.  ManiacJoe   Jan-14-11 01:17 AM   #87 
  - It depends on what state the show is in, local laws, and the rules of the particular show  slackmaster   Jan-12-11 12:33 PM   #50 
  - Most states allow private sales...gunshow or not.  ileus   Jan-12-11 12:54 PM   #58 
  - Buying firearms at a gun show.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:00 PM   #59 
  - i believe that you can only sell a limited number of guns a year  table1   Jan-12-11 08:12 PM   #72 
     - Not true  pipoman   Jan-12-11 09:39 PM   #76 
     - There is no set number  one-eyed fat man   Jan-12-11 09:53 PM   #77 
  - Simply put, no...there is no such thing...nt  old mark   Jan-12-11 08:11 PM   #70 
  - Depends whether the seller is a licensed dealer or a private seller  Euromutt   Jan-12-11 10:26 PM   #79 
  - Q & A  russ1943   Jan-12-11 10:26 PM   #80 
  - Why don't they call it the "flea market loophole"?  DissedByBush   Jan-12-11 10:28 PM   #81 
  - Let me fix that question for you  krispos42   Jan-12-11 11:07 PM   #83 
 

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