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Response to Reply #166
168. Saturday's incident and many others like it are not a result of the drug war.
Plenty of people are killed by people who were not criminals until they killed.Jaren Loughner was one of them.

I think we need to examine this type of assasination and murder of innocent people in light of its threat to our democratic institutions, as well. People bringing guns to public political events is not a good thing and has a history of not turning out well...
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  -Honestly!! ... Should people be allowed to own stuff like this? OneTenthofOnePercent  Jan-11-11 03:30 PM   #0 
  - Personally, I don't have a need for any of it.  notadmblnd   Jan-11-11 03:31 PM   #1 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-11-11 03:32 PM   #2 
  - No.  Ruby the Liberal   Jan-11-11 03:36 PM   #3 
  - You should do some research into Lewis and Clark, then  derby378   Jan-11-11 03:39 PM   #8 
  - "in the wilderness" exactly. Much of this country at the time was wilderness and  CTyankee   Jan-11-11 04:00 PM   #32 
  - but the guns they carried  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 04:18 AM   #123 
  - "They knew what they were doing." Exactly. They knew what THEY were doing.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 08:36 AM   #131 
  - UK has higher violent crime rate than the US.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 12:18 PM   #140 
  - Doyou have a reliable stat on that?  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 01:13 PM   #148 
  - That may well be true.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:25 PM   #151 
     - Being vigilant about one's freedom does not necessarily mean being armed.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 01:44 PM   #153 
        - That is true.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:58 PM   #154 
        - Well, the analogy doesn't hold up very well if you are talking about our own  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 02:29 PM   #157 
           - What makes you think the military will just go along.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 02:40 PM   #158 
           - I am sure there would be some organized resistance in such a circumstance.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 02:47 PM   #161 
              - Not that I am aware.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 02:56 PM   #164 
              - I am commenting on the undesireability of the proliferation of guns and not talking about banning.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:01 PM   #167 
                 - What do you suggest?  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 03:15 PM   #171 
                    - good question, isn't it. No fair throwing up hands...what do you suggest?  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 04:08 PM   #179 
                       - I asked you first.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 04:23 PM   #180 
                          - well, you have advanced arguments that are yours, not mine.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 04:57 PM   #183 
                             - You should listen to Christina Green's father ('that murdered kid's parent')  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 05:13 PM   #187 
                             - "risky ground"  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 06:01 PM   #191 
                                - Well, that is an unacceptable argument, IMO. We MUST find a way to live in a free society without  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 06:57 PM   #194 
                                - Where we get those ideas.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 07:58 PM   #196 
                                - Yes, cave people did fear for their safety. We can all agree on that.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 09:22 PM   #200 
                                - I don't fear getting slaughtered. Why do you?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-13-11 05:53 PM   #225 
                                - I think we have seen the evidence...  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 07:01 PM   #232 
              - It really has not.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 03:00 PM   #166 
                 - Saturday's incident and many others like it are not a result of the drug war.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:07 PM   #168 
                    - Saturdays' incident is extremely rare, too.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 03:12 PM   #169 
                       - At this point, no, not unless you have metal detectors in the places where these events occur.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:23 PM   #172 
           - I think it holds up even more so.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 02:55 PM   #163 
              - In that case there would be instability if not anarchy.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:14 PM   #170 
                 - Absolutely.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 03:28 PM   #173 
        - I don;t think the citizenry would have to fight US soldiers  Nuclear Unicorn   Jan-13-11 04:43 AM   #203 
        - I know it is your belief that gun reverence is the reason but I can think of many other  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 12:45 PM   #236 
        - ........Vietnam, Algeria, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan.... Among others. Fancy that. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:15 PM   #252 
           - Ah yes, they've been mentioned before.  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 06:55 PM   #257 
  - Actually, guns were used for the most part to take game for food. nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:13 PM   #251 
  - Wilderness was not their primary concern.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:22 PM   #150 
  - We are at a far, far place from that reality in the 18th century.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 02:16 PM   #155 
     - If a majority of Americans believed what you believe then the 2nd would be repealed.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 02:41 PM   #159 
     - Oh it's not inconvenient to me. Perhaps to the people who just got killed or wounded, but not me.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 02:53 PM   #162 
        - No there is no evidence that banning guns lowers crime.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 03:00 PM   #165 
           - Firstly, I am not talking about "banning." I'm talking about public safety issues.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:33 PM   #174 
              - Unproven claim.  Statistical   Jan-12-11 03:40 PM   #175 
                 - Well, if European countries have lower rates of homicide than we do  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 03:58 PM   #177 
     - But the same rationale still holds.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 03:57 PM   #176 
        - Um, wasn't the AZ event open to armed people?  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 04:37 PM   #182 
           - Thankfully, it was.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 04:58 PM   #184 
              - Well, hello! The shooter had already been subdued! Hooray!  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 05:03 PM   #185 
                 - 31 shots fired.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 06:08 PM   #192 
                    - "no votes." Of course. That is what I expected as this debate has degenerated further.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 07:29 PM   #195 
                       - Well we will just have to agree to disagree.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 08:23 PM   #198 
                          - I don't care what the "trend" is. The trend has been wrong in the past and has been corrected.  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 08:47 PM   #199 
                             - You have never been safer  hack89   Jan-12-11 09:40 PM   #201 
                             - I'd like to see some backup information about this "decline" in violence.  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 08:30 AM   #204 
                                - The data comes from the DOJ and the FBI.  hack89   Jan-13-11 11:27 AM   #205 
                                - not the one questioned but I can help here  dmallind   Jan-13-11 11:44 AM   #206 
                                - Thanks! I was wondering if any of this has been the subject of a sociological study.  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 12:20 PM   #210 
                                   - Doubtless due to many factors.  dmallind   Jan-13-11 01:02 PM   #215 
                                      - Wouldn't we really be interested in seeing the data of # of assaults/murder using  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 02:56 PM   #220 
                                      - That's also available at the FBI.. usually table 20 or so under homicides..  X_Digger   Jan-13-11 03:06 PM   #221 
                                      - but not just homicides. Wouldn't it be relevant to include robberies, muggings,  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 03:49 PM   #222 
                                      - That's why I added the link to the BJS..  X_Digger   Jan-13-11 04:25 PM   #224 
                                      - What was the cause of the spike for 1995?  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 06:59 PM   #231 
                                      - Actually, 1993-1994 was the peak of violent crime,  X_Digger   Jan-13-11 07:42 PM   #233 
                                      - What do you think it was in both cases?  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 12:42 PM   #235 
                                      - If you read 'Freakanomics', they suggest Roe v Wade for the latter  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 02:00 PM   #238 
                                      - The chart shows the bar spiking in 1995, falling and then rising again in 2006.  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 02:10 PM   #239 
                                      - Let me draw you some lines..  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 02:38 PM   #240 
                                      - OK, the link does not break down offenses by type of weapon used.  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 02:58 PM   #242 
                                      - Yes, the second one does..  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 03:13 PM   #243 
                                      - It's hard to see this without a side by side comparison...  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 03:21 PM   #244 
                                      - That's correct.. both in raw numbers (with slight variability year to year) and ..  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 03:46 PM   #245 
                                      - So it is consistent with the trend going down overall...  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 03:55 PM   #246 
                                      - You're the one who asked..  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 04:00 PM   #247 
                                      - Yes, and since I posted that both other posters and I recalled a number of  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 04:41 PM   #248 
                                      - And that decline in violent crime coupled with..  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 05:06 PM   #249 
                                      - Well, we shall see. I await further numbers, as should you, as a precaution.  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 06:44 PM   #256 
                                      - 17 years isn't enough data?  X_Digger   Jan-14-11 07:20 PM   #258 
                                      - This is why I would like to see some interpretation beyond what we have already  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 01:06 PM   #259 
                                      - Go to the primary sources, yourself (DOJ/FBI/CDC data).. find studies...  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 02:56 PM   #264 
                                      - Are you saying that there are no sociological studies in which peer review  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 03:15 PM   #265 
                                      - You'd think so, but look up confirmation bias..  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 03:34 PM   #266 
                                      - You seem to say that the NEJM is negligent in its duty to fairly present material  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 04:25 PM   #267 
                                      - I think it fair to say that the NEJM had a fairly evident bias against guns in the 90's  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 04:55 PM   #268 
                                      - Well, epidemiologists are in schools of Public Health...we have one here at Yale.  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 05:05 PM   #269 
                                      - If it were studied as a behavioral issue, that would make sense..  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 05:15 PM   #270 
                                      - Honestly, you do your side NO favor by showing the Tooth Fairy thing! It suggests  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 07:11 PM   #271 
                                      - Perhaps you missed my point..  X_Digger   Jan-15-11 08:35 PM   #272 
                                      - again, I am not a sociologist but I don't think these studies are treated strictly as a  CTyankee   Jan-16-11 09:26 AM   #273 
                                      - Not at all, you made my point for me..  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 10:36 AM   #274 
                                      - I'll be happy to take a look and try to understand what you mean here.  CTyankee   Jan-16-11 11:15 AM   #275 
                                      - Don't put words in my mouth, thanks.  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 07:25 PM   #277 
                                      - You did not cite where those quotes were from...  CTyankee   Jan-16-11 08:05 PM   #278 
                                      - Those quotes were mine, from the previous posts..  X_Digger   Jan-16-11 08:47 PM   #279 
                                      - I have not read the Kellerman piece that you constantly refer to...  CTyankee   Jan-17-11 08:52 AM   #280 
                                      - Down, significantly - it's in the UCR link. nt  dmallind   Jan-14-11 09:58 AM   #234 
                                - Now that the data has been provided, do you agree that voilent crime is at its lowest and declining?  cleanhippie   Jan-13-11 12:00 PM   #208 
                                   - See my earlier answer. I am looking for an explanation from social scientists  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 12:23 PM   #211 
                                      - Then we are in agreement! Horray!  cleanhippie   Jan-13-11 12:28 PM   #212 
                                         - I haven't had a chance to look at all the data. Are assaults/murders  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 12:44 PM   #213 
                                         - It is broken down in several ways. Its actually quite good data.  cleanhippie   Jan-13-11 01:37 PM   #218 
                             - You speak of "the collapse of our society." In that vein...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:33 PM   #253 
  - Where do you think Lewis kept that rifle when he wasn't in the wilderness?  AtheistCrusader   Jan-13-11 11:58 AM   #207 
     - Of course. Guns were useful items, providing food. I have no idea where his home was, do you?  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 12:48 PM   #214 
        - He lived in many places. I would assume he had it with him in St. Louis.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-13-11 01:10 PM   #216 
           - Well, I might not be understanding the point you had about him keeping his gun at home.  CTyankee   Jan-13-11 02:48 PM   #219 
              - I would argue he didn't own it for hunting.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-13-11 03:59 PM   #223 
                 - A soldier, in an army? would he then have a gun "issued" to him?  CTyankee   Jan-16-11 07:09 PM   #276 
  - do you think they envisioned the massacre from Saturday - to include a U.S. Congresswoman?  DrDan   Jan-11-11 04:01 PM   #33 
     - Lewis and Clark, the two deadliest machine gun toting dudes to ever go West.  Major Hogwash   Jan-11-11 04:12 PM   #44 
        - Behold, the Girandoni Air Rifle!  MilesColtrane   Jan-11-11 04:29 PM   #55 
        - And they traded grenades for horses too!  Major Hogwash   Jan-11-11 09:35 PM   #114 
        - Please elucidate..  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 09:44 PM   #116 
        - Please hallucinate . .  Major Hogwash   Jan-12-11 01:04 AM   #122 
           - At least your screen name matches your comment.  cleanhippie   Jan-12-11 04:29 AM   #124 
           - Do you EVER have a nice thing to say about others?  Crystal Clarity   Jan-12-11 12:14 PM   #139 
              - All the time.  cleanhippie   Jan-12-11 12:50 PM   #145 
                 - Attacking his screen name means you are attacking him  Crystal Clarity   Jan-12-11 01:08 PM   #146 
                    - SO you accuse me of a personal attack by personally attacking me? WTF?  cleanhippie   Jan-12-11 01:12 PM   #147 
           - So you concede that Lewis & Clark carried a semi-automatic rifle?  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 08:20 AM   #130 
              - No, because they didn't. Not even in your wildest dreams.  Major Hogwash   Jan-12-11 05:12 PM   #186 
                 - Do you contend that they didn't in fact carry a Girandoni? n/t  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 05:47 PM   #189 
                    - Hey, look! Facts won out again!  cleanhippie   Jan-13-11 12:01 PM   #209 
                       - With till he finds out that they had an ND with it  Katya Mullethov   Jan-13-11 06:47 PM   #229 
        - Ummm....OK  MilesColtrane   Jan-12-11 12:21 AM   #120 
        - Maybe they did!  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 01:27 PM   #152 
           - That was a joke, sir. Lewis and Clark almost starved to death in Idaho. The natives here saved them.  Major Hogwash   Jan-12-11 05:49 PM   #190 
              - If you're such a scholar.. whip out your Journals of Lewis and Clark..  X_Digger   Jan-12-11 06:12 PM   #193 
                 - Hahahahaha.  Major Hogwash   Jan-13-11 03:03 AM   #202 
                 - Obviously, The NRA used a time machine to go back and edit those journals.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-13-11 01:37 PM   #217 
                    - HA! nt  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:42 PM   #255 
        - Nah! That's why some use "assault weapons:" you can fit ANY weapon in...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:39 PM   #254 
        - Psst, hate to burst your grr with facts..  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 04:50 PM   #68 
           - Sorry  Katya Mullethov   Jan-13-11 06:49 PM   #230 
  - Our fore fathers understood clearly what "well regulated" meant.  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 03:48 PM   #17 
  - "Seemingly, "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" always seems to be missed...  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:32 PM   #79 
  - Seems like I've heard that line of reasoning before  RSillsbee   Jan-11-11 10:04 PM   #119 
  - Corrections to your post...  SteveM   Jan-14-11 05:11 PM   #250 
  - When nature cheats ya.......  TheCowsCameHome   Jan-11-11 03:36 PM   #4 
  - That's the only reason I can think of  sadbear   Jan-11-11 03:39 PM   #6 
  - Only if they really want it, can afford it, and can pass all the federal background checks  slackmaster   Jan-11-11 03:37 PM   #5 
  - There you go again, addressing reality.  uppityperson   Jan-11-11 03:41 PM   #11 
  - I want my guns!!  Kingofalldems   Jan-11-11 03:39 PM   #7 
  - Yes, civilians should be able to own them.  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 03:40 PM   #9 
  - The opinion of the SCOTUS?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 03:41 PM   #10 
  - We pine for *your* "expert" opinion ...... n/t  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 03:52 PM   #20 
     - I'm sure you do  sadbear   Jan-11-11 03:53 PM   #23 
        - Citizens United?  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:08 PM   #39 
        - You think they got that one right?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 04:09 PM   #40 
           - Yes I do  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:17 PM   #48 
              - Do you think they got Citizens United right?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 04:23 PM   #53 
                 - To me that one is a toss up.  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:47 PM   #66 
                 - The ACLU does. Do you think they got Kelo v. City of New London right?  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-11-11 08:19 PM   #103 
                    - Yeah, they probably got that right.  sadbear   Jan-11-11 09:09 PM   #112 
        - Did they get Lawrence vs. Texas terribly wrong too?  Pancho Sanza   Jan-11-11 05:16 PM   #73 
        - Kelo.  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:34 PM   #81 
           - The prohibitionists are unwilling to discuss Kelo v. City of New London.  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-11-11 08:12 PM   #102 
  - +1  Hangingon   Jan-11-11 03:43 PM   #14 
  - you could say the same thing about rocket launchers, poisons, and any number of lethal  onenote   Jan-11-11 03:59 PM   #31 
  - What inanimate object causes more deaths per year  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:28 PM   #54 
     - Would you argue intent?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 04:31 PM   #58 
     - So, it's O.K. to have things kill due to inattention and irresponsibility....  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:37 PM   #82 
        - Because you say so?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 09:02 PM   #110 
           - Intent is irrelevant  Marengo   Jan-12-11 08:58 AM   #133 
     - automobiles are at least as highly regulated as are guns if not moreso  onenote   Jan-11-11 04:36 PM   #62 
        - Actually, in almost all jurisdictions you can own and operate vehicles  kelly1mm   Jan-11-11 04:53 PM   #69 
        - No, they really aren't.  beevul   Jan-11-11 06:07 PM   #92 
  - Can you explain the need for a 30 round clip?  walldude   Jan-11-11 04:05 PM   #36 
  - Same as the need for anyone to own a Corvette .....  oldhippie   Jan-11-11 04:20 PM   #51 
  - So you are tequating the need to fire more rounds to owning  walldude   Jan-11-11 04:29 PM   #56 
     - What is "need?"  oldhippie   Jan-11-11 04:34 PM   #59 
     - The speed limit no greater than 75 mph  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:35 PM   #60 
  - I'll answer that with a question  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 04:31 PM   #57 
  - Silencers have been illegal since 1938. The SCOTUS doesn't agree with you.  slampoet   Jan-11-11 04:58 PM   #71 
     - They're not illegal.. highly regulated. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 05:14 PM   #72 
     - No, they really haven't.  beevul   Jan-11-11 06:14 PM   #97 
  - Why would anyone put a suppressor on a single shot .22?  jayfish   Jan-11-11 03:42 PM   #12 
  - That's a Ruger Mk3 (w/ 10rd clip) n/t  Spoonman   Jan-11-11 03:56 PM   #27 
  - Looks like a Mrk II Bull Barrel to me  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-11-11 04:17 PM   #49 
     - and it's a magazine, not a clip  deaniac21   Jan-11-11 05:22 PM   #76 
     - It's a 22/45 Mk. III  Euromutt   Jan-12-11 03:59 PM   #178 
  - Yeah, that's pretty funny!  Dappleganger   Jan-11-11 03:56 PM   #28 
  - Suppressors are safety devices. They protect your hearing.  PavePusher   Jan-13-11 06:32 PM   #228 
  - The M1911-A1  Ryano42   Jan-11-11 03:43 PM   #13 
  - So you oppose handugns with double stack magazine?  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-11-11 04:15 PM   #45 
  - I think high-caps have a place...  Ryano42   Jan-11-11 04:37 PM   #63 
     - If what has been released is correct, his high capacity mag failed, jamming the weapon  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-11-11 04:50 PM   #67 
     - Personally, I find them heavy.  beevul   Jan-11-11 06:13 PM   #96 
     - Ahh, it's the "My guns aren't bad, it's all yours that are evil" syndrome.  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 04:56 PM   #70 
  - Would you like to apply the 14th Amendment to that...  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:39 PM   #83 
  - "We treat car ownership and driver training with greater respect than firearm ownership"  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 04:45 AM   #126 
  - car ownership?  bossy22   Jan-12-11 01:20 PM   #149 
  - On car ownership.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-12-11 08:06 PM   #197 
  - Another yes here.  joe_sixpack   Jan-11-11 03:43 PM   #15 
  - Yes, they should  kctim   Jan-11-11 03:47 PM   #16 
  - Giving up liberty?  sadbear   Jan-11-11 03:50 PM   #18 
     - Yup.  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-11-11 04:03 PM   #34 
     - Geez....  sadbear   Jan-11-11 04:07 PM   #38 
        - You have liberty in that no one can force you to buy that which you so abhor. n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-11-11 04:39 PM   #64 
           - That is the exact same argument the teabaggers make about health care.  Pancho Sanza   Jan-11-11 05:19 PM   #74 
              - Not getting your point...  cherokeeprogressive   Jan-11-11 05:19 PM   #75 
                 - Actually, neither am I, now. Apparently I lost track of who said what in the thread  Pancho Sanza   Jan-11-11 06:24 PM   #99 
     - Supressors don't make a firearm silent- that's a hollywood trope.  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 05:55 PM   #87 
     - The Glock is pretty quiet with the right ammo... but the .45 is still quite a thumper.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-11-11 06:11 PM   #94 
     - That's a strawman.  TheWraith   Jan-11-11 08:48 PM   #109 
     - only 3 a second?  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 04:48 AM   #127 
  - Yes, they should.  ixion   Jan-11-11 03:50 PM   #19 
  - well, they certainly aren't needed for hunting anything but man...  hlthe2b   Jan-11-11 03:52 PM   #21 
  - No-one's ever had to defend themselves against dozens?  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:41 PM   #84 
  - I've never had to hunt any person nor had the desire to...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-11-11 06:05 PM   #91 
  - i think a lot of people who buy it do so because it makes them feel Tough , "manly" etc  JI7   Jan-11-11 03:53 PM   #22 
  - Most of the ones I see getting into it are doing it for self defense  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-11-11 04:41 PM   #65 
  - simply put -- no. nt  xchrom   Jan-11-11 03:54 PM   #24 
  - Yes. nm  Richard Steele   Jan-11-11 03:55 PM   #25 
  - Yes, why not?  Dappleganger   Jan-11-11 03:55 PM   #26 
  - Why not?  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:42 PM   #85 
     - Not if proper ear wear is worn.  Dappleganger   Jan-11-11 06:46 PM   #100 
        - I end up wearing plugs AND muffs at my indoor range.  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 08:00 PM   #101 
        - I'm in military aviation maintenance.  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 08:29 PM   #106 
           - We use double as well...  Dappleganger   Jan-11-11 08:48 PM   #108 
              - Exactly. n/t  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 09:04 PM   #111 
  - no  DrDan   Jan-11-11 03:58 PM   #29 
  - Some yes, some no  EstimatedProphet   Jan-11-11 03:59 PM   #30 
  - Technically, you can have silencers...  TheMightyFavog   Jan-11-11 04:03 PM   #35 
  - not at all  timo   Jan-11-11 06:05 PM   #90 
  - Silencers are not illegal.. highly regulated, but legal. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 06:02 PM   #88 
  - RPG's, rocket launchers. tanks  upi402   Jan-11-11 04:06 PM   #37 
  - Soooo.... If I am 65 years old, maybe recently had a hip replacement surgury...  PavePusher   Jan-11-11 05:44 PM   #86 
  - exactly  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 04:54 AM   #128 
  - No. Rec'd. Surprise! Still at 0. Disgusted. n/t  Catherina   Jan-11-11 04:09 PM   #41 
  - LOLZ at the fear  Rebubula   Jan-11-11 04:09 PM   #42 
  - Yeah, I don't get it...  Last_Stand   Jan-11-11 04:17 PM   #47 
  - Yes.  Little Star   Jan-11-11 04:11 PM   #43 
  - Don't care either way.  Celeborn Skywalker   Jan-11-11 04:17 PM   #46 
  - Honestly or dishonestly, absolutely not!  damntexdem   Jan-11-11 04:18 PM   #50 
  - the NRA... HA!  YllwFvr   Jan-12-11 05:14 AM   #129 
  - For many, happiness is indeed a warm gun.  LanternWaste   Jan-11-11 04:21 PM   #52 
  - Yes  ProgressiveProfessor   Jan-11-11 04:35 PM   #61 
  - Yes  Xela   Jan-11-11 05:30 PM   #77 
  - Yes  roninjedi   Jan-11-11 05:31 PM   #78 
  - YES  RamboLiberal   Jan-11-11 05:33 PM   #80 
  - Yes  guitar man   Jan-11-11 06:04 PM   #89 
  - Thanks.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-11-11 06:08 PM   #93 
     - I love the finish  guitar man   Jan-11-11 06:13 PM   #95 
  - Yes. N/t  beevul   Jan-11-11 06:18 PM   #98 
  - Yes n/t  friendly_iconoclast   Jan-11-11 08:20 PM   #104 
  - Yes. n/t  X_Digger   Jan-11-11 08:27 PM   #105 
  - You bet your ass they should  Ter   Jan-11-11 08:30 PM   #107 
  - I want the silenced Ruger at the bottom  DissedByBush   Jan-11-11 09:28 PM   #113 
  - Did you notice that when you started this thread in the GD section at DU . . .  Major Hogwash   Jan-11-11 09:41 PM   #115 
  - More rational replies?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-11-11 10:01 PM   #118 
  - Say yeth to meth!  Major Hogwash   Jan-12-11 01:02 AM   #121 
  - Considering your posts #44 and the follow ups, your hypocrisy is astounding.  cleanhippie   Jan-12-11 04:38 AM   #125 
  - I notice how this thread has devolved into a LOT of talk literally about  CTyankee   Jan-12-11 08:51 AM   #132 
     - Amen, brother.  Major Hogwash   Jan-12-11 05:16 PM   #188 
  - I have no problem with any of it.  Glassunion   Jan-11-11 09:47 PM   #117 
  - Everything in the second photo is as tightly controlled as bombs, howitzers, and grenades.  benEzra   Jan-12-11 10:56 AM   #134 
  - Ever poke an ant hill or bees nest for sheer enjoyment?  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 11:24 AM   #135 
     - I know exactly what you mean...  Flyboy_451   Jan-12-11 11:51 AM   #136 
     - The only approriate response to that picture:  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 12:28 PM   #142 
     - Snort! LOL...  benEzra   Jan-12-11 12:01 PM   #137 
     - Mission Accomplished. ;>) n/t  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 01:24 PM   #262 
  - Yes. But w/a caveat...  Crystal Clarity   Jan-12-11 12:07 PM   #138 
  - I use extended magazines  Abq_Sarah   Jan-13-11 06:17 PM   #227 
  - Please submit your Question to the U.S. Department of Neccesity...  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 01:21 PM   #261 
  - Sure, why not?  jeepnstein   Jan-12-11 12:22 PM   #141 
  - Absolutely  kudzu22   Jan-12-11 12:28 PM   #143 
  - It's a Mac-11 (submachinegun)  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jan-12-11 12:28 PM   #144 
     - Tricked out with  Abq_Sarah   Jan-13-11 06:11 PM   #226 
  - Yes.  spin   Jan-12-11 02:24 PM   #156 
  - Yes. n/t  needledriver   Jan-12-11 02:43 PM   #160 
  - Yes.  WheelWalker   Jan-12-11 04:25 PM   #181 
  - Arguments like this is why anti-gunners always lose.  Callisto32   Jan-14-11 01:11 PM   #237 
  - The Silencers, no. That auto big ass thing in the 2nd one no, long clips no.  xultar   Jan-14-11 02:56 PM   #241 
  - Why not suppressors?  PavePusher   Jan-15-11 01:13 PM   #260 
  - no silencers?  timo   Jan-15-11 01:34 PM   #263 
  - No, of course not  krispos42   Jan-17-11 11:17 PM   #281 
  - There's so many pop guns  Katya Mullethov   Jan-17-11 11:40 PM   #282 
 

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