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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 12:06 PM
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7. I Live in Reality where guns have killed too many
your assumption that owning a gun is going to keep more people safe is false, because it can go both ways. Your inability to acknowledge that is called denial.

How many more need to die needlessly? Because of people like you, kids and bad people are able to get their hands on more guns than ever... try thinking more about that.
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  -I thought we'd never need guns in coffee shops? PavePusher  Nov-26-10 11:38 AM   #0 
  - Capital punishment for robbery...  rfranklin   Nov-26-10 11:45 AM   #1 
  - It was a drive-through kiosk, not a coffee shop and the robber opened fire first  Speck Tater   Nov-26-10 11:52 AM   #3 
  - If the robber shot first, it was justifiable...  rfranklin   Nov-26-10 11:56 AM   #4 
  - I live in the area so I got local TV coverage and witness accounts.  Speck Tater   Nov-26-10 11:59 AM   #5 
  - Even if the robber had not shot first it still would have been justified.  Bold Lib   Nov-26-10 12:16 PM   #11 
  - You are not required to wait until the robber shoots. (n/t)  spin   Nov-26-10 02:47 PM   #45 
  - How kind of you to allow.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-28-10 08:35 PM   #71 
  - He doesn't have to shoot first to be subject to deadly defensive measures...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:16 PM   #75 
  - Meth related ?  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:25 PM   #17 
  - Thinly-veiled accusation of vigilantism is noted. And dismissed. n/t  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:19 PM   #14 
  - If the robber hadn't been able to convince the clerk..  X_Digger   Nov-26-10 01:49 PM   #37 
  - The usual disingenuous response...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:13 PM   #74 
  - more guns won't help  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 11:50 AM   #2 
  - A gun in the proper hands....  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:02 PM   #6 
  - I Live in Reality where guns have killed too many  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 12:06 PM   #7 
  - "How many more need to die needlessly?"  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:14 PM   #9 
  - you don't get it...  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 12:40 PM   #21 
     - I'm not lying to anyone, least of all myself.  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:42 PM   #22 
     - Care to back up those claims?  X_Digger   Nov-26-10 01:52 PM   #38 
        - "More Guns, Less Crime" debunked  SecularMotion   Nov-26-10 03:05 PM   #46 
           - I don't claim that more guns = less crime, but the inverse has been disproven..  X_Digger   Nov-26-10 03:22 PM   #47 
           - Agreed -- but here are a couple of real gems from the  jazzhound   Nov-26-10 08:44 PM   #57 
              - Yeah, I saw those stinkers bob to the surface as well...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:32 PM   #78 
           - Lott's studies do not convince me, either. But I still support 2A fully...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:30 PM   #77 
  - And your inability to acknowledge murder rates are declining is also denial.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 12:23 PM   #16 
  - When I grew up murder rates were lower then now.  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:35 PM   #19 
  - You have to go back 40 years to find lower murder rates  hack89   Nov-26-10 02:40 PM   #44 
  - You'll have to tell when that was  pipoman   Nov-27-10 05:55 AM   #61 
  - wow... did I say I had power to force you to do something?  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 12:38 PM   #20 
     - Yes yes yes yes  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:47 PM   #25 
     - So provide us with some accurate statistics, then  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 01:45 PM   #35 
     - Does the United States Bureau of Justice Statistics produce garbage?  spin   Nov-26-10 04:13 PM   #48 
  - I live in the reality of Washington State ...  Kennah   Nov-26-10 12:59 PM   #27 
  - Relying on the criminal's good nature?  one-eyed fat man   Nov-26-10 01:07 PM   #30 
  - nah... lets make more guns and sell more, because bad guys never get those guns  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 01:23 PM   #32 
     - Just as you  one-eyed fat man   Nov-26-10 02:00 PM   #40 
     - Well said, with a line that bears repeating:  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 02:03 PM   #42 
     - When are you going to produce something to back up your  pipoman   Nov-27-10 06:10 AM   #62 
     - "You people" seems to suggest your continuation of a culture war...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:38 PM   #79 
  - If guns have killed so many  RSillsbee   Nov-26-10 05:29 PM   #49 
  - The cost of cleaning and maintenance are too high?  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:40 PM   #80 
  - Assumptions  Straw Man   Nov-26-10 07:45 PM   #53 
  - Such cold logic. Fact is were going in the wrong direction.  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:21 PM   #15 
     - How so? More guns don't seem to be the problem.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 12:29 PM   #18 
     - Such poor logic. Self-defense is "going in the wrong direction"? n/t  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:44 PM   #23 
     - New testament = poor logic ?  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:59 PM   #28 
        - Are you responding to the right person? I never mentioned anything biblical. n/t  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 01:07 PM   #29 
     - Only if the 'direction' you prefer is detached from the reality of crime stats.  X_Digger   Nov-26-10 02:05 PM   #43 
     - False. See post #48. Violent crime has been dropping  jazzhound   Nov-26-10 07:58 PM   #55 
  - It sure did in this case.  Bold Lib   Nov-26-10 12:15 PM   #10 
  - No one but you is saying that.  cleanhippie   Nov-27-10 10:37 AM   #64 
  - Yet if you look at the data nations with higher gun ownership rates have lower murder rates.  lawodevolution   Nov-29-10 10:42 AM   #72 
  - Uh, I think it helped the law-abiding citizens in this case...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:19 PM   #76 
  - He won't try that again. We have been trying for thousands of  WHEN CRABS ROAR   Nov-26-10 12:12 PM   #8 
  - You're right of course.  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:17 PM   #12 
  - Being as Combs fired on the clerk, if he had nobly declined to defend himself...  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 12:18 PM   #13 
  - they spread this NEED for guns  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 12:45 PM   #24 
  - Since you seem to have ignored the evidence that refutes your position...  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 12:47 PM   #26 
  - You Honestly think This Evidence that Proves having a gun "sometimes" Saves the good guy?  fascisthunter   Nov-26-10 01:19 PM   #31 
     - You're entitled to your own opinion. You're *not* entitled to your own facts  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 01:56 PM   #39 
     - The DOJ stats show approx. 108,000 instances per year of defensive gun uses.  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 05:48 PM   #50 
     - Actually, the figure of 108,000 DGU's wouldn't even  jazzhound   Nov-26-10 07:48 PM   #54 
        - Oh, I know. I'm just trying to make it easy for someone who 'doesn't want to bother' with stats.  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 08:09 PM   #56 
           - Jesus, the use of statistics, data and good argument use to be a liberal strong suit...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:49 PM   #82 
     - What you are discussing is DGUs (defensive gun uses)  spin   Nov-26-10 06:30 PM   #51 
     - >>SNORT....!  PavePusher   Nov-26-10 07:12 PM   #52 
        - I don't think he will do any research ...  spin   Nov-26-10 08:55 PM   #58 
           - And three days later, he hasn't. Or hasn't posted it.  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-29-10 10:56 AM   #73 
     - I appreciate your notifying us in advance that you intend to discount any evidence you don't like  Euromutt   Nov-28-10 07:06 AM   #69 
  - Where do dead Mexicans come from?  one-eyed fat man   Nov-26-10 01:47 PM   #36 
  - Unpossible. If we just believe hard enough guns will disappear...  friendly_iconoclast   Nov-26-10 02:01 PM   #41 
  - And you spread this FICTION again...  SteveM   Nov-29-10 12:46 PM   #81 
  - Doin' right ain't got no end.  east texas lib   Nov-26-10 01:27 PM   #34 
  - There is much iron in the words of ETLib  Katya Mullethov   Nov-27-10 08:50 AM   #63 
     - Damn it!  east texas lib   Nov-27-10 12:03 PM   #66 
  - Complete and utter nonsense.  cleanhippie   Nov-27-10 10:41 AM   #65 
  - "Thousands of years"? You want to invoke history?  Euromutt   Nov-27-10 05:44 PM   #67 
     - You write the best damn posts, you wordy bastard... 8>) n/t  PavePusher   Nov-27-10 09:45 PM   #68 
  - I thought that I'd never need guns at all...then I broke my sheppard's staff.  east texas lib   Nov-26-10 01:23 PM   #33 
  - Wonder if the employee will be fired if carrying  RamboLiberal   Nov-26-10 10:19 PM   #59 
     - God, I hope not  Euromutt   Nov-27-10 12:08 AM   #60 
     - When I worked as cashier, midnight shift, alone, at a convenience store...  GreenStormCloud   Nov-28-10 05:29 PM   #70 

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