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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 07:04 PM
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30. I don't know that I can entirely agree with you wrt underlying cause
The underlying cause is prohibition, the creation of a black market for drugs and failures in the education system.

I think those factors do play a part, but I think there's underlying socio-cultural factors as well. Homicide rates in Europe went from being much higher in the late middle ages than any recorded American homicide rate, to being far lower than present-day American rates, even before the imposition of gun control measures.

My pet hypothesis is that a major factor is the cultural importance of self-image relative to the value of human life. When a female family member can "bring shame" on her family, and the culture requires that shame be erased with her blood, you get "honor killings." A corrosive influence on black culture in both the US and UK has been the influx of Jamaican "Yardies" for whom being shown "disrespect" was adequate cause to kill the offending party. A factor in why Japan's homicide rate is comparatively very low, and its suicide rate comparatively very high, may be to some extent the fact that in Japanese culture, shame is erased with one's own blood more readily than with the blood of another.

The idea that human life is worth more than one's perception of "honor" has really only been around since the Enlightenment, and its penetration is, to be blunt, very limited.
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  -El Paso, Texas where there are more guns than people. Pop:600,000. 10 months into 2010, 2 murders lawodevolution  Nov-20-10 02:05 PM   #0 
  - Two guns were murdered by people?  HopeHoops   Nov-20-10 02:06 PM   #1 
  - I thought there were three murders. There might be one in november  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 02:09 PM   #2 
  - Do you have a point?  kestrel91316   Nov-20-10 02:11 PM   #3 
  - Yes, you can't blame guns on rate of violence.  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 02:13 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-10 02:16 PM   #5 
  - Maybe you can  DeadEyeDyck   Nov-25-10 03:38 PM   #38 
  - The point seems fairly obvious.  cleanhippie   Nov-20-10 04:28 PM   #10 
  - There was just one maniac in the White House while 3,000  Lint Head   Nov-20-10 02:35 PM   #6 
  - You're going to have to unwrap that a bit for some of us to get your point. n/t  PavePusher   Nov-20-10 05:34 PM   #14 
     - He appears to be a MIHOP conspiracy theorist.  GreenStormCloud   Nov-21-10 07:11 PM   #28 
        - Ah, I should have recognised the tin-foil hat.... n/t  PavePusher   Nov-21-10 09:18 PM   #29 
  - And there may be more Ford F-150 pick-up trucks than Dodge Durangos  matt819   Nov-20-10 02:44 PM   #7 
  - I never said the rate of gun ownership is at fault for the difference in crime rate  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 09:32 PM   #20 
  - I don't know that I can entirely agree with you wrt underlying cause  Euromutt   Nov-22-10 07:04 PM   #30 
  - what would you expect him to say?  DeadEyeDyck   Nov-25-10 03:59 PM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-10 03:19 PM   #8 
  - Liar?  cleanhippie   Nov-20-10 04:29 PM   #11 
  - The article is from November 5, 2010, not May ...  spin   Nov-20-10 05:16 PM   #12 
  - Looks like November 5, 2010 to me  Eagle_Eye   Nov-20-10 05:29 PM   #13 
  - Something in the water  Celtic Raven   Nov-20-10 04:25 PM   #9 
  - Houston?  safeinOhio   Nov-20-10 06:25 PM   #15 
  - Wait, you mean Houston, one of the areas of Texas with the strongest gun control in tx  lawodevolution   Nov-21-10 12:35 AM   #24 
  - Although it is interesting that there is LI in the  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 08:44 PM   #17 
  - Yeah, I've seen that hypothesis as well. "It's in the water!"  SteveM   Nov-29-10 03:41 PM   #40 
  - Widen the geography just a little.  sharesunited   Nov-20-10 08:29 PM   #16 
     - Widen the geography to include gun free Nigeria  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 09:01 PM   #18 
     - I favor machete control in Nigeria.  sharesunited   Nov-20-10 09:12 PM   #19 
        - Yes your psychosis and phobias sound familiar  lawodevolution   Nov-20-10 11:11 PM   #23 
        - People kill people - sound familiar?  Optical.Catalyst   Nov-21-10 06:51 AM   #26 
        - Iklwa  one-eyed fat man   Nov-21-10 08:47 AM   #27 
        - Machete control.  Straw Man   Nov-24-10 01:17 AM   #35 
        - Umm, umm, umm. Just OCEANS of prohibition as yet unexplored.  SteveM   Nov-29-10 03:43 PM   #41 
     - Killeen is quite a distance from El Paso NT  RSillsbee   Nov-20-10 09:42 PM   #21 
     - Is it my fault that Texas is so big? Texas law and gun regs apply. Why cherry pick El Paso?  sharesunited   Nov-20-10 09:50 PM   #22 
        - If your solution isn't feasible (and your's isn't)  RSillsbee   Nov-21-10 03:25 AM   #25 
        - Ummm, maybe because El Paso right now is in the news for being the safest large city in America?  benEzra   Nov-23-10 04:29 PM   #32 
           - Unpossible!!! Blood... Everywhere!!! With all of those guns! The place must be chest deep blood!!  Glassunion   Nov-23-10 05:22 PM   #33 
              - I'm personally scared to death that San Diego will become  jazzhound   Nov-24-10 12:31 AM   #34 
              - Impressive, too, considering the arid climate.  SteveM   Nov-29-10 03:45 PM   #42 
                 - There is a solution for that.  Glassunion   Dec-01-10 02:25 PM   #43 
     - Or you could widen it much less than that, and include Ciudad Juarez  slackmaster   Nov-22-10 07:50 PM   #31 
     - Someone should have reported him to the Department of Pre-Crime  Kennah   Nov-24-10 06:57 PM   #36 
     - IOW, "let me move the goal posts...again." EPIC FAIL on your part  cleanhippie   Nov-24-10 07:28 PM   #37 

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