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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:03 PM
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53. Why keep enabling them?
Insofar as the police deter by their presence, they are very, very good. Criminals take great pains not to commit a crime in front of them.

Unfortunately, the corollary is that you can pretty much bet your life (and you are) that they won't be there at the moment you actually need them.

When some bastard sticks a gun or a knife in your face and demands, "What's in you wallet?" are you going to think you're in a credit card commercial?

"Call for a cop, call for an ambulance, and call for a pizza. See who shows up first." And unlike the police, the victim does not have to resolve the ambiguity of who is the bad guy.

Will there be any doubt in your mind just who the evil doer is? Even if you have 911 on speed dial do you think the cops will be able to arrive in time to draw the chalk outline around your body before the blood congeals?

Do you believe that you are forbidden to protect yourself because the police are better qualified to protect you, because they know what they are doing but you're a rank amateur? Put aside that this is equivalent to believing that only concert pianists may play the piano and only professional athletes may play sports.

What exactly are these special qualities possessed only by the police and beyond the rest of us mere mortals?

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  -Is the theft of your money really worth shooting someone over? mvccd1000  Nov-17-10 03:28 AM   #0 
  - No.  jazzhound   Nov-17-10 03:33 AM   #1 
  - delete - wrong place  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-10 04:23 PM   #43 
  - Money is just stuff  RSillsbee   Nov-17-10 03:44 AM   #2 
  - Bingo; resisting a robbery isn't about protecting your wallet  Euromutt   Nov-17-10 04:13 PM   #42 
     - Or put another way, how do you know he just wants your wallet?  TheWraith   Nov-17-10 11:08 PM   #57 
  - If he doesn't shoot you you can identify him  tularetom   Nov-17-10 03:58 AM   #3 
  - Nice try. His access to a gun is the problem, not whether or not to shoot him.  sharesunited   Nov-17-10 04:01 AM   #4 
  - "in the hands of the public "  Remmah2   Nov-17-10 06:57 AM   #7 
  - Or a knife, or a sharpened screwdriver, or a pipe wrench.  benEzra   Nov-17-10 07:07 AM   #8 
  - Your continued slagging of unions and union made products is noted  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-10 08:12 AM   #13 
  - Elitist drivel.  Callisto32   Nov-17-10 10:07 AM   #27 
  - fixing this for you --  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-17-10 10:28 AM   #28 
  - If you don't trust ME  MicaelS   Nov-17-10 12:02 PM   #31 
  - No, he was the problem.  proteus_lives   Nov-17-10 12:23 PM   #32 
  - "his access to a gun is the problem"  lawodevolution   Nov-17-10 01:51 PM   #35 
  - Your typical armed robber wouldn't have access to guns if he was in jail  slackmaster   Nov-17-10 04:45 PM   #46 
  - NO!  DrDan   Nov-17-10 04:21 AM   #5 
  - So you seem to be implying that we should trust to the good intentions....  PavePusher   Nov-17-10 08:46 AM   #17 
     - He has no answers.  oneshooter   Nov-17-10 08:55 AM   #20 
  - Is it worth risking your life...  geckosfeet   Nov-17-10 06:23 AM   #6 
  - You seem to believe  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-10 07:31 AM   #10 
  - The evil bastards are the ones who will just get a bigger gun.  geckosfeet   Nov-17-10 05:01 PM   #48 
     - Why keep enabling them?  one-eyed fat man   Nov-17-10 07:03 PM   #53 
     - God dammit no. I believe people should be able to arms themselves and  geckosfeet   Nov-17-10 08:35 PM   #56 
     - What does "a bigger gun" have to do with it?  PavePusher   Nov-17-10 08:35 PM   #55 
  - There are over 20,000 Federal, State, and local gun laws. How many more do you want? n/t  oneshooter   Nov-17-10 05:19 PM   #50 
  - It is almost never justifiable to shoot to stop a theft.  benEzra   Nov-17-10 07:10 AM   #9 
  - Not sure if serious  lepus   Nov-17-10 07:44 AM   #11 
  - Agree or disagree with the law, but what you describe is a crime in most jurisdictions.  benEzra   Nov-17-10 08:06 AM   #12 
  - Stand your ground and castle defense are all geared around insuring that there is little ambiguity  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-10 08:16 AM   #14 
  - Neither stand your ground nor castle doctrine laws apply....  benEzra   Nov-17-10 09:11 AM   #24 
     - Some wordings are more flexible than others  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-10 09:42 AM   #25 
  - And that is exactly a major part of the problem.  PavePusher   Nov-17-10 08:50 AM   #18 
  - You can legally use force to stop simple theft, just not lethal force. (n/t)  benEzra   Nov-17-10 10:03 AM   #26 
     - Correct. You, just like the cops can use reasonable force  jancantor   Nov-18-10 12:22 AM   #59 
  - What insurance deductable?  lepus   Nov-17-10 11:42 AM   #30 
     - Homeowner's. If somebody steals my stuff, I pay a $250 deductible and replace it.  benEzra   Nov-17-10 01:11 PM   #33 
        - The problem with your argument is a positive constitutional defense in my state.  lepus   Nov-17-10 02:24 PM   #37 
  - I am in a situation similar to yours.  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-17-10 08:20 AM   #15 
  - Texas Law  oneshooter   Nov-17-10 09:07 AM   #22 
  - This is the part that is overlooked by most who as the question in the OP.  ManiacJoe   Nov-17-10 03:12 PM   #38 
  - Money is a material manifestation of time. What is life, if not a finite chunk of time?  slackmaster   Nov-17-10 08:42 AM   #16 
  - +1. As I've said many times. n/t  PavePusher   Nov-17-10 08:51 AM   #19 
  - That is not all....  oneshooter   Nov-17-10 08:59 AM   #21 
  - Why take them at their word, indeed!  X_Digger   Nov-17-10 09:08 AM   #23 
  - Never have understood this  Kennah   Nov-17-10 11:04 AM   #29 
  - And there you touch on an interesting point  Euromutt   Nov-17-10 04:10 PM   #41 
  - Ban money,,, it's the only way we'll be safe.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Nov-17-10 01:40 PM   #34 
  - Then we'll just end up asking the same questions about wampum and beaver pelts (n/t)  Euromutt   Nov-17-10 11:54 PM   #58 
  - Yes?  Demstud   Nov-17-10 02:14 PM   #36 
  - How about if we ask the police, who almost always shoot bankrobbers? N/T  cognoscere   Nov-17-10 03:17 PM   #39 
  - If they shot an unarmed, fleeing thief, they'd be in hot water in most jurisdictions.  benEzra   Nov-17-10 03:52 PM   #40 
     - Yeah, one can shoot a feeing suspect ...  Kennah   Nov-17-10 04:54 PM   #47 
        - Utah fired into the air because he did not want to shot his friend.  ManiacJoe   Nov-17-10 06:05 PM   #51 
  - I will not trust the criminal to not try to harm me after getting my money.  Hoopla Phil   Nov-17-10 04:25 PM   #44 
  - "Is the theft of your money really worth shooting someone over?"  ZombieHorde   Nov-17-10 04:39 PM   #45 
  - No.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-17-10 05:08 PM   #49 
  - sheesh  lightfighter11b   Nov-17-10 06:57 PM   #52 
  - Many people have been shot and killed after complying with their attacker's orders...  east texas lib   Nov-17-10 08:04 PM   #54 
  - They didn't want cigs, they wanted juice and street cred.  SteveM   Nov-18-10 05:39 PM   #60 

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