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Tue Oct-26-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #26 |
| 28. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY |
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That phrase has been used a lot - by conservatives.
"it is against the law and they WILL be prosecuted if found out."
How would they be found out? What exculpatory evidence would the accused be able to offer in their defense?
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| -Definition of a straw purchaser: |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:46 AM |
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A lot of gun laws rely on a similar degree of trust |
slackmaster |
Oct-26-10 10:50 AM |
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I see that the CIA |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:54 AM |
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Fortunately for me, I've never actually sold a firearm in my life |
slackmaster |
Oct-26-10 10:58 AM |
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What's funny is |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:01 AM |
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Question: would you buy a gun for another person who you knew was |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 02:09 PM |
#29 |
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No. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 02:15 PM |
#30 |
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Nevermind your baiting questions - YOU know what a real straw purchase is, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 02:20 PM |
#31 |
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No, that gets to the heart of the issue in the OP.. |
X_Digger |
Oct-26-10 02:29 PM |
#33 |
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Selling to an acquitance - if a background check was required |
RamboLiberal |
Oct-26-10 05:29 PM |
#43 |
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That takes us to the possibility |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 05:43 PM |
#45 |
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Loaned/borrowed/shared = transfered. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 08:26 PM |
#51 |
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Does stolen equal borrowed? |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 08:47 PM |
#53 |
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Stolen does not equal borrowed. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 08:53 PM |
#55 |
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Fine. But |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:08 PM |
#57 |
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How would they know what? |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:21 PM |
#60 |
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Guilt. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:23 PM |
#62 |
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Guilt of what? |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:37 PM |
#64 |
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Theft or failure to secure the firearm. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:38 PM |
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Theft or failure to secure the firearm will be obvious. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:56 PM |
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From post #53. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:29 PM |
#75 |
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Tersely answered in #55, more verbosely here. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 10:47 PM |
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So, |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:52 PM |
#82 |
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Ed's act of robbery is not Joe's responsibility. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:06 PM |
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How would Joe's knowledge be proven? nt |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:12 PM |
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Witnesses, recordings, still holding the map for the getaway. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:16 PM |
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True. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:28 PM |
#91 |
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Exactly. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:31 PM |
#93 |
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From what I've seen |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:41 AM |
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It is hard to report before the discovery. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-27-10 12:20 PM |
#106 |
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Most of the time |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 02:30 PM |
#34 |
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I think this is the source of your confusion: |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 08:12 PM |
#49 |
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Indeed. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 08:39 PM |
#52 |
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Some clarifications are needed from you. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:15 PM |
#59 |
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All dangerous tools should be secured |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:22 PM |
#61 |
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If not the owner, then who? |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:49 PM |
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Who indeed. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:03 PM |
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The owner does not control information. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 10:26 PM |
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The combination to a gun vault is information which controls access. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:33 PM |
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The combination to the safe IS access. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:00 PM |
#83 |
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What right does the government have |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:09 PM |
#85 |
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The right granted by the voters. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:30 PM |
#92 |
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...there is no dictate on "how" for the private sellers... |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:27 AM |
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Firstly, terminology. |
PavePusher |
Oct-27-10 10:40 PM |
#115 |
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How would you prove the request was made, |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 06:19 PM |
#48 |
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That depends upon other factors. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-26-10 02:27 PM |
#32 |
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Hell no. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-27-10 12:10 PM |
#104 |
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Question #1 |
Xmit |
Oct-26-10 10:59 AM |
#4 |
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Paper trails are the key to stopping |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 11:08 AM |
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What if you didn't know it was stolen or lost? |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:09 AM |
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Totally beside the point |
Katya Mullethov |
Oct-26-10 11:37 AM |
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Unless you can give evidence that there was no way for you to know, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 11:43 AM |
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How would |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:55 AM |
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If you are required by law to report a stolen gun, and a gun in your possession |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 12:05 PM |
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A lot of "ifs" there. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 12:14 PM |
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The gun owner's responsibility is not to police his relatives or spouse, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 12:44 PM |
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You see |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 01:25 PM |
#22 |
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Simple. When that gun is used in a crime, the purchaser faces criminal |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-26-10 02:03 PM |
#26 |
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PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 02:09 PM |
#28 |
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If you are driving your friends car |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 03:34 PM |
#39 |
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Good analogies, but... |
Glassunion |
Oct-26-10 04:46 PM |
#40 |
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What's your point? |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 04:47 PM |
#41 |
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Yes |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 09:45 PM |
#66 |
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So if someone is |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:14 PM |
#73 |
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The woman is not responsible for the actions of her boyfriend. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 10:33 PM |
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So how would the cops bust her |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:44 PM |
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They would not "know". They would investigate. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:12 PM |
#87 |
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They would actually be investigating |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:21 PM |
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Now you are asking good questions! |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:37 PM |
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If the state doesn't give her much to work with |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:32 AM |
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"There is NO excuse..." |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 01:33 PM |
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When your kid gets drunk |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-26-10 02:00 PM |
#25 |
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What is there to compel? |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 01:44 PM |
#24 |
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Well, yeah. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 02:05 PM |
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You seem way too eager to give access to a "house gun" |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 08:23 PM |
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How would the authorities |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 08:50 PM |
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The authorities will have evidence indicating a failure on your part. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:03 PM |
#56 |
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If access were granted to someone other than the purchaser |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:14 PM |
#58 |
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Who are these people you want to keep giving guns to? |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 09:36 PM |
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I don't necessarily want to give guns to anybody. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 09:53 PM |
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In your example, you make the unsafe assumption |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 10:13 PM |
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Who said anyone broke in? |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:38 PM |
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Life is a series of choices. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-26-10 11:50 PM |
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Why do you assume that it is |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:37 AM |
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I make no such assumptions. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-27-10 12:54 PM |
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Nope. |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 01:11 PM |
#112 |
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Suppose if you will... |
Glassunion |
Oct-26-10 12:58 PM |
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How does that work |
RSillsbee |
Oct-26-10 01:15 PM |
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The ATF has lost many, including machineguns |
one-eyed fat man |
Oct-26-10 12:52 PM |
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I think I have to disagree. |
Hangingon |
Oct-26-10 01:08 PM |
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Most gun owners don't have gun safes. |
GreenStormCloud |
Oct-26-10 02:33 PM |
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When not on me |
PVFR |
Oct-26-10 02:48 PM |
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As well they should be. |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 02:56 PM |
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So much for the "innocent until proven guilty" construct, huh? |
cleanhippie |
Oct-27-10 05:02 PM |
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That is what judges and juries are for. |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 03:25 PM |
#38 |
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Please explain how judges and juries can prove a negative. nt |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 05:14 PM |
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Sorry, I don't get your point. |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 09:50 PM |
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When the drunk hits someone, everyone will know |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 10:41 PM |
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Just like when his |
safeinOhio |
Oct-26-10 11:14 PM |
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Children and dogs |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 01:02 AM |
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Perhaps, |
safeinOhio |
Oct-27-10 07:48 AM |
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Well, |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 10:20 AM |
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The state does not make such demands. |
ManiacJoe |
Oct-27-10 12:32 PM |
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Hence the term "if". |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:37 PM |
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Sold in a private sale |
RSillsbee |
Oct-26-10 01:13 PM |
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I think you confuse "stopping" with "punishing". |
beevul |
Oct-26-10 05:33 PM |
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That is an excellent, and crucial, observation |
Euromutt |
Oct-26-10 06:02 PM |
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The threat of incarceration |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 06:12 PM |
#47 |
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We have to figure the risk of capture into the equation as well |
Euromutt |
Oct-28-10 07:31 PM |
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"Paper trails " Meaning regestration with a goverment office? n/t |
oneshooter |
Oct-27-10 04:25 PM |
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And as I recall |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:08 AM |
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War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. nt |
Glassunion |
Oct-26-10 11:15 AM |
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Intent is hard to prove, but |
DissedByBush |
Oct-26-10 11:38 AM |
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How would they know you sold it? |
rrneck |
Oct-26-10 11:45 AM |
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Same thing as my company store purchasing policy. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-27-10 12:09 PM |
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True. |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:17 PM |
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Standard police work. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-27-10 12:31 PM |
#107 |
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Yeah. And I'm not saying it's not worth the effort. |
rrneck |
Oct-27-10 12:57 PM |
#111 |
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