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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 10:16 AM
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58. "A" 12 year old, normally no. "That" 12 year old - he bought his ticket
with his behavior, then he took the ride - so for that one, ok.
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  -Elderly Woman Shoots 12-Year-Old Boy who was Constantly Harassing Her RamboLiberal  Sep-29-10 09:43 AM   #0 
  - That's one way to respond to bullying, once the bullies cross a certain line.  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 09:45 AM   #1 
  - Hard to condone her shooting him, but I can certainly empathize  hlthe2b   Sep-29-10 09:48 AM   #4 
  - The kid's been charged, but not the woman.  sinkingfeeling   Sep-29-10 09:55 AM   #24 
  - Good... Some DA was using common sense  hlthe2b   Sep-29-10 10:00 AM   #30 
  - THANK GOODNESS!  BlancheSplanchnik   Sep-29-10 06:28 PM   #149 
  - Yup....the result of the combined failure of social and parental controls.  whathehell   Sep-30-10 09:10 AM   #163 
  - It's sad that the kid's family is refusing too hold him at fault for anything  Lorien   Sep-30-10 09:13 AM   #164 
  - It was self defense, what do you want? NT  hendo   Sep-30-10 09:34 AM   #168 
  - That would be the best outcome  Warpy   Sep-29-10 10:20 AM   #62 
  - actually, I am on her side. older woman living alone and some  roguevalley   Sep-30-10 01:40 AM   #159 
  - You're not really suggesting that shooting a 12 year old kid  COLGATE4   Sep-29-10 09:48 AM   #5 
  - As I wrote previously, bricks can kill. Once you attack with deadly force, you are in a gunfight.  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 09:50 AM   #9 
  - It has to be you, not the house  treestar   Sep-29-10 10:54 AM   #82 
     - "...the boy threw the bricks and broke Matthews' windows"  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:56 AM   #86 
     - Exactly.  cstanleytech   Sep-29-10 11:28 PM   #158 
     - Successfully, no less - the article says she was struck by one. (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-01-10 07:48 PM   #171 
     - HAHAHAHAHAHA  bobbolink   Sep-29-10 11:18 AM   #100 
     - She did call 911. Cops came, kids ran, cops left, kids came back.  Bold Lib   Sep-29-10 12:57 PM   #121 
        - Hey !!! You read the article ! That's no fair.  KurtNYC   Sep-30-10 08:40 AM   #162 
  - nobody is suggesting that  eShirl   Sep-29-10 09:51 AM   #10 
  - No shooting is not appropriate but  RamboLiberal   Sep-29-10 09:54 AM   #19 
  - Police are calling it self-defense.  sinkingfeeling   Sep-29-10 09:56 AM   #25 
  - I would agree  Sherman A1   Sep-29-10 10:04 AM   #37 
  - It was.  Bold Lib   Sep-29-10 12:58 PM   #122 
  - It wasn't necessarily for throwing that one particular brick,  Tuvok Obama   Sep-29-10 10:02 AM   #31 
  - Did you READ the story?  DainBramaged   Sep-29-10 10:02 AM   #34 
  - Me, too!  hamsterjill   Sep-29-10 01:43 PM   #135 
  - the thing that's really sad is that even this probably won't stop them. Their parents  Lorien   Sep-30-10 09:19 AM   #166 
  - Yep. I'm anti-gun also, but when someone tries to burn your home down and  Lorien   Sep-30-10 09:18 AM   #165 
  - Well he certainly wasn't using the brick to build her a new sidewalk.  Dappleganger   Sep-29-10 10:04 AM   #38 
  - a 12 year old is old enough to know better.  Ganja Ninja   Sep-29-10 10:13 AM   #53 
  - He brought a brick to a gunfight  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:15 AM   #57 
  - "A" 12 year old, normally no. "That" 12 year old - he bought his ticket  Obamanaut   Sep-29-10 10:16 AM   #58 
  - In self-defense, no  WolverineDG   Sep-29-10 10:55 AM   #84 
  - a brick can kill. As can fire -- the punk burned her grill up last year and  northernlights   Sep-29-10 11:19 AM   #101 
  - For throwing a brick *at someone*, absolutely. n/t  superduperfarleft   Sep-29-10 11:52 AM   #111 
  - Wow, do you HAVE a grandma?  TalkingDog   Sep-29-10 02:32 PM   #137 
  - I think she did what was necessary. nt  tblue37   Sep-29-10 03:48 PM   #140 
  - Fortunately in this case, the justice  Riftaxe   Sep-29-10 05:10 PM   #142 
  - Do you think that a thrown brick is not deadly force? n/t  PavePusher   Sep-29-10 09:31 PM   #153 
  - actually, you are forgetting that this kid was burning her stuff  roguevalley   Sep-30-10 01:43 AM   #160 
  - How odd, the last time I heard a brick with enough force upside the head could kill.  cstanleytech   Sep-29-10 11:27 PM   #157 
  - I'd like to know how it came to this...how the cops did nothing...how the kids  joeybee12   Sep-29-10 09:47 AM   #2 
  - And of course, how did those kids get their hands...  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 09:48 AM   #3 
  - Sounds like it was going on for a long, long time...n/t  joeybee12   Sep-29-10 10:24 AM   #67 
  - Google Tracey Thurman.  HughBeaumont   Sep-29-10 10:49 AM   #77 
  - An extreme response which I don't condone..  lpbk2713   Sep-29-10 09:49 AM   #6 
  - She Should Hvae Shot the Parents, too  we can do it   Sep-29-10 11:57 AM   #113 
  - There's still time for that  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 12:02 PM   #115 
  - Agree  get the red out   Sep-29-10 01:38 PM   #134 
  - I have to admit that was the first thing I thought of. (n/t)  spin   Sep-29-10 06:20 PM   #147 
  - People are forced to do extreme things in extreme situations. This was not  Bold Lib   Sep-29-10 01:03 PM   #124 
  - I see they also set her garage on fire..  Upton   Sep-29-10 09:49 AM   #7 
  - That kid is  femrap   Sep-29-10 09:54 AM   #20 
  - Good idea  get the red out   Sep-29-10 09:57 AM   #27 
  - This. I agree with all of this.  knitter4democracy   Sep-29-10 10:29 PM   #156 
  - garBage...not garage  alcibiades_mystery   Sep-29-10 10:08 AM   #45 
  - We don't know who is guilty of that  treestar   Sep-29-10 10:55 AM   #83 
     - The law allows defensive use of deadly force even before someone who attacks you is arrested  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:59 AM   #91 
     - most likely because of his age  merqz   Oct-02-10 07:20 PM   #172 
  - Cops charged the kid and released the elderly lady.  Pirate Smile   Sep-29-10 09:49 AM   #8 
  - And therein lies the problem.  HughBeaumont   Sep-29-10 10:57 AM   #87 
  - By tomorrow this will be spun as another "home invasion" successfully...  TreasonousBastard   Sep-29-10 09:51 AM   #11 
  - And quite accurately so  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 09:52 AM   #12 
  - Isn't that what happened?  Upton   Sep-29-10 09:53 AM   #15 
  - Would we feel better about it if she were injured or killed by a brick  stray cat   Sep-29-10 10:02 AM   #33 
  - +10000  Dappleganger   Sep-29-10 10:05 AM   #40 
  - How is that not what this is? NT  Recursion   Sep-29-10 11:20 AM   #103 
  - The boy's family says he's completely innocent, of course.  Marr   Sep-29-10 09:53 AM   #13 
  - Exactly  Pirate Smile   Sep-29-10 09:55 AM   #22 
  - NMS Syndrome.  HughBeaumont   Sep-29-10 11:00 AM   #93 
  - See, as the mother of a (now-grown) son, I just don't get  liberalhistorian   Sep-29-10 11:12 AM   #98 
  - well, the parents can say whatever they want about their precious little hellion  northernlights   Sep-29-10 11:29 AM   #105 
  - Good for her  sonomak   Sep-29-10 09:53 AM   #14 
  - This behavior should not have happened  get the red out   Sep-29-10 09:53 AM   #16 
  - I've been on the receiving end of bricks thrown through windows.  girl gone mad   Sep-29-10 09:53 AM   #17 
  - the good news  safeinOhio   Sep-29-10 09:54 AM   #18 
  - "I call him the little bad boy"  Enrique   Sep-29-10 09:55 AM   #21 
  - I most definitely am not OK with the woman not being charged.  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 09:55 AM   #23 
  - You're half right  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 09:57 AM   #26 
  - the threat of harm needs to be imminent...  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:02 AM   #32 
     - Bricks flying through one's window seems like an imminent threat to me  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:04 AM   #39 
     - The brick was thrown and then the police were called and came and then  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:09 AM   #47 
        - "The brick"?!?  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:12 AM   #50 
        - Try this  RamboLiberal   Sep-29-10 10:24 AM   #68 
           - That is more information than in the article from the OP  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:30 AM   #71 
              - Let's play out the scenario. Police charge her. Find me a jury that will convict her.  Selatius   Sep-29-10 01:16 PM   #128 
                 - Prosecutors are ethically prohibited from charging ANYBODY if  merqz   Oct-02-10 07:24 PM   #173 
     - It was investigated, apparently...  hlthe2b   Sep-29-10 10:06 AM   #43 
     - that is information not in the article  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:32 AM   #73 
     - did you miss the part where he was throwing bricks at her?  WolverineDG   Sep-29-10 11:02 AM   #95 
  - Yes  get the red out   Sep-29-10 09:59 AM   #29 
  - Why bother with police or courts at all then.  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:03 AM   #36 
     - She bothered with the police a lot,  get the red out   Sep-29-10 10:05 AM   #41 
     - As far as i can tell from the article she called them once.  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:13 AM   #55 
        - With all the damage he's & his litle gang have been doing  RamboLiberal   Sep-29-10 10:36 AM   #75 
        - How do you figure  get the red out   Sep-29-10 01:31 PM   #132 
     - Did you read the story?  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:06 AM   #42 
     - I read it thoroughly  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:11 AM   #49 
        - Kids threw bricks. Woman called cops. Cops came and left. Kids came back.  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:14 AM   #56 
           - Probably not the case here, but...  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:18 AM   #61 
              - At 11:00 PM? My parents always made me write letters of apology and mail them.  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:21 AM   #64 
              - responsible parents don't tell their children  Riftaxe   Sep-29-10 05:44 PM   #146 
     - Self-defense is not vigilantism.  PavePusher   Sep-29-10 09:39 PM   #154 
  - Called the police again? To what end - the miscreant's behavior  Obamanaut   Sep-29-10 10:18 AM   #60 
  - And shooting the kid is right answer?  tk2kewl   Sep-29-10 10:21 AM   #65 
  - So it would seem. The kid has been charged, the woman has not. Must  Obamanaut   Sep-29-10 10:25 AM   #69 
  - How can you tell that someone is "in fact" in danger of being physically harmed?  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:50 AM   #78 
  - What proof do you require?  PavePusher   Sep-29-10 09:42 PM   #155 
  - You still have to call them again.  treestar   Sep-29-10 10:59 AM   #90 
     - She shot the boy because she felt he presented an imminent threat of injury or death  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 11:02 AM   #96 
  - Yes Dear So the Cops Could Again DO NOTHING  we can do it   Sep-29-10 12:03 PM   #116 
  - Throwing bricks is assault with a deadly weapon if she was in the house  stray cat   Sep-29-10 09:58 AM   #28 
  - And I'd be willing to bet this kid will either burn her out  dgibby   Sep-29-10 10:08 AM   #46 
     - The stress could very well do her in.  lpbk2713   Sep-29-10 10:12 AM   #51 
        - His goal was to get her extra crispy  sonomak   Sep-29-10 11:12 AM   #99 
  - Ohhhh Mr. Wilsonnnnnn!  Javaman   Sep-29-10 10:03 AM   #35 
  - OK Javaman, you got me on that one  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:07 AM   #44 
  - She must have been at her wit's end.  Mad_Dem_X   Sep-29-10 10:10 AM   #48 
  - The boy's grandmother said:  raccoon   Sep-29-10 10:12 AM   #52 
  - She left out part of it.  lpbk2713   Sep-29-10 10:23 AM   #66 
  - Yikes!  H2O Man   Sep-29-10 10:13 AM   #54 
  - "he shooting happened said at about 11 p.m. Tuesday"  hedgehog   Sep-29-10 10:16 AM   #59 
  - Good thing we still have money for guns  gratuitous   Sep-29-10 10:20 AM   #63 
  - ''Before, they tried to burn her house down." That is a deadly threat!  L0oniX   Sep-29-10 10:29 AM   #70 
  - that's one way to teach him a lesson  snooper2   Sep-29-10 10:31 AM   #72 
  - We have an asshole kid like that here who kills cats, dogs and ducks.  L0oniX   Sep-29-10 10:34 AM   #74 
  - And what about the kids parent(s)?  bighart   Sep-29-10 10:53 AM   #80 
     - My neighbor who's dog was stoned by the kid told me the kid has foster parents  L0oniX   Sep-29-10 11:10 AM   #97 
        - That little cretin needs to disappear  mitchum   Sep-29-10 12:51 PM   #120 
           - No, he probably belongs in a mental health facility.  Selatius   Sep-29-10 01:27 PM   #129 
              - that's right - socio paths start out like that  dana_b   Sep-29-10 01:49 PM   #136 
                 - But there is no "cure" for sociopaths...hence my original suggestion  mitchum   Sep-29-10 05:00 PM   #141 
                    - Only the .38 caliber one. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-29-10 05:30 PM   #144 
  - Harassment, vandalism, starting fires.. all anti-social behavior..  left coaster   Sep-29-10 10:40 AM   #76 
  - Sometimes that is the only preventive for that inevitable recidivism  mitchum   Sep-29-10 05:36 PM   #145 
  - How about calling the police, which is what happens in civilized society?  treestar   Sep-29-10 10:52 AM   #79 
  - Please READ the article! She DID call the police. The police came.  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 10:53 AM   #81 
  - Read the article, hell, just glancing at the thread header  QC   Sep-29-10 10:56 AM   #85 
  - Then call them again.  treestar   Sep-29-10 10:58 AM   #88 
     - She DID call them again  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 11:00 AM   #92 
     - bricks are deadly. fire is deadly. there was an imminent threat  northernlights   Sep-29-10 12:05 PM   #117 
  - Call the police, they might show up in four hours if you are lucky.  dogday   Sep-29-10 11:28 AM   #104 
  - Asshole kid is going to be another Ken McElroy  sonomak   Sep-29-10 10:58 AM   #89 
  - He got what was coming to him.  frogmarch   Sep-29-10 11:01 AM   #94 
  - Sharon Angle's 2nd Amendment remedies in action?  Moostache   Sep-29-10 11:19 AM   #102 
  - so you're saying we have no right to self-defense?  northernlights   Sep-29-10 11:32 AM   #106 
  - Actually, it's basic Castle Doctrine law in action  slackmaster   Sep-29-10 11:45 AM   #107 
  - great post! I especially like this line:  kelly1mm   Sep-29-10 08:13 PM   #151 
  - Your list full of high-minded "should haves" is great and all,  superduperfarleft   Sep-29-10 11:53 AM   #112 
  - Not many poor elderly women can get the time of day from city hall  sonomak   Sep-29-10 11:59 AM   #114 
  - 'misguided youth'?!?? wtf are YOU smoking? n/t  X_Digger   Sep-29-10 02:58 PM   #138 
  - Time to brush up at the range  John Kerry VonErich   Sep-29-10 11:47 AM   #108 
  - Heh, I was about to post the same thing.  superduperfarleft   Sep-29-10 11:51 AM   #110 
  - Nah, she did the right thing. The boy won't mess with her ever again after being shot.  Selatius   Sep-29-10 01:36 PM   #133 
     - Wanna bet?  John Kerry VonErich   Sep-29-10 03:09 PM   #139 
        - There is a good chance he will return in the future ...  spin   Sep-29-10 06:24 PM   #148 
        - And stressfully adding  John Kerry VonErich   Sep-30-10 11:17 AM   #169 
        - The odds are better than for alternative courses of action  Euromutt   Oct-04-10 02:22 AM   #174 
  - Good for her (there may be no cure for sociopaths, but there are certainly necessary treatments)  mitchum   Sep-29-10 11:47 AM   #109 
  - Where's Fire_Medic_Dave when you need him?  Renew Deal   Sep-29-10 12:10 PM   #118 
  - RRRRR. Clang! Clang! Clang!  TheCowsCameHome   Sep-29-10 12:12 PM   #119 
  - LOL!  supernova   Sep-29-10 12:58 PM   #123 
  - TS'ed.  closeupready   Sep-29-10 01:06 PM   #127 
  - What a shitty fuckin turd of a gimmick  d_b   Sep-30-10 01:50 AM   #161 
  - .  onehandle   Sep-29-10 01:28 PM   #130 
  - Enjoying his retirement . n/t  oneshooter   Oct-04-10 07:28 AM   #175 
  - If the kid had shot a bullet through the window instead of  Little Star   Sep-29-10 01:03 PM   #125 
  - Neither the police nor the parents did their jobs; 'no justice, no peace' was  closeupready   Sep-29-10 01:05 PM   #126 
  - .  onehandle   Sep-29-10 01:29 PM   #131 
  - Exactly  Glassunion   Sep-29-10 05:18 PM   #143 
  - Whats wrong, at a loss for words?  oneshooter   Sep-29-10 06:50 PM   #150 
     - If only it was permanent.  proteus_lives   Sep-29-10 08:26 PM   #152 
  - I do NOT blame her, actually...It's a sad statement on the lack of parental and societal  whathehell   Sep-30-10 09:21 AM   #167 
  - This was a drawn-out attempted suicide. (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-01-10 07:39 PM   #170 
 

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