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Duchess Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 11:12 AM
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5. Agreed...
If you take stupid out of the equation then the damage drops even more dramatically. Stupid drunken violence is never the answer. We will never be able to get rid of stupid. We won't be able to get rid of drunks (I think we tried that one already). We won't be able to get rid of guns. We won't be able to get rid of knives. We won't be able to get rid of glass bottles.

But guns, knives, and broken bottles let smart and sober people protect themselves (to some extent) from stupid drunk people.

So, weapons aren't the biggest problem I see in this article. I think the biggest problem is stupid drunk people.
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  -Why were there more than twice as many shooting victims as stabbing victims here? sharesunited  Sep-26-10 10:49 AM   #0 
  - Well...  Duchess   Sep-26-10 10:55 AM   #1 
  - If you just take guns out of the equation, the damage drops dramatically.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 10:59 AM   #3 
     - Agreed...  Duchess   Sep-26-10 11:12 AM   #5 
     - Just like when you take logic out of the equation, the ignorance increases dramatically.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 11:52 AM   #15 
     - lol... n/t  OneTenthofOnePercent   Sep-26-10 01:24 PM   #29 
     - He's got a point. The praise/worship of gun toting here is what's often stale (and disturbing).  Hoyt   Sep-27-10 07:23 PM   #87 
     - I wonder. It might make the stabbings and beatings go up  Hangingon   Sep-26-10 03:33 PM   #32 
  - Because guns are an acceptable way to resolve our differences  wtmusic   Sep-26-10 10:58 AM   #2 
  - Another common foolish argument ...  spin   Sep-26-10 11:15 AM   #7 
  - So you do support gun control. Finally, a voice of reason in this forum. nt  wtmusic   Sep-26-10 11:18 AM   #8 
     - I think you already know that most do support it.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 11:54 AM   #17 
     - Of course I support reasonable gun control...  spin   Sep-26-10 12:32 PM   #24 
     - I agree that no  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 02:21 PM   #31 
        - Unless the gun-control lobby has its way with record retention and expanding the Bush blacklists...  benEzra   Sep-26-10 10:18 PM   #57 
        - You do? From who?  cleanhippie   Sep-27-10 09:58 AM   #73 
     - I support gun control, too. Just not *your* version of it.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-26-10 04:50 PM   #38 
     - Still waiting for you "voice of reason." And waiting.  SteveM   Sep-27-10 01:02 PM   #78 
  - Is that what you think? Wow, you be be a very scared person.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 11:53 AM   #16 
  - and how do you feel about  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 03:50 PM   #35 
     - Fine with it.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 06:49 PM   #44 
        - You wouldn't find it  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 08:13 PM   #51 
           - And in a little while the fee could be raised to $50-100, To help fight violence.  oneshooter   Sep-26-10 09:24 PM   #53 
           - And the fee could go to zero  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 04:39 AM   #66 
              - An example  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 04:45 AM   #67 
                 - Do you want to make it mandatory?  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 07:10 AM   #68 
                    - yes  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 09:36 AM   #71 
                       - No, I want private sellers to be able to access the NICS system.  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-27-10 12:31 PM   #76 
                       - Sure I'd support having it open  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 01:52 PM   #79 
                       - It doesn't cost me a dime here, I have a Texas CHL.  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 05:09 PM   #80 
                          - Using CCW as a background check  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 05:42 PM   #83 
                             - Please don't dance around or ignore the question asked.  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 05:55 PM   #84 
                                - as easily as you can  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 07:39 PM   #88 
                                   - But YOU are pushing the fee. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 07:43 PM   #89 
                                      - and you ask for a guarantee  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 10:36 PM   #90 
           - Why a fee? We already pay 11% excise tax..  X_Digger   Sep-26-10 09:53 PM   #54 
           - My CCW proves I already passed the NICS check.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 10:02 PM   #56 
              - Just wanted to be sure you would support a  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 04:32 AM   #65 
                 - I'm pretty sure that most pro-2A folks agree with that.  cleanhippie   Sep-27-10 09:57 AM   #72 
  - When you have a well thought out, reasoned idea please post it.  oneshooter   Sep-26-10 06:47 PM   #43 
  - Are you advocating this philosophy? I don't. Perhaps you should explain.  SteveM   Sep-27-10 01:00 PM   #77 
  - Obviously your point is that if there had been no firearms ...  spin   Sep-26-10 11:08 AM   #4 
  - Guns and ammo are manufactured and sold under color of legitimacy in our country.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 11:14 AM   #6 
  - yeah, but  Duchess   Sep-26-10 11:27 AM   #9 
  - Ammonium nitrate is fertilizer. But access to it has been severely curtailed because of McVeigh.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 11:43 AM   #11 
     - And I can't get Sudafed in bulk any more  Duchess   Sep-26-10 11:51 AM   #14 
     - Most meth is now made in Mexico.  spin   Sep-26-10 12:12 PM   #23 
        - I don;t agree that all meth is made in Mexico.  Hangingon   Sep-26-10 03:41 PM   #34 
     - It's easily available to anyone with a few bucks... not just farmers.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Sep-26-10 01:31 PM   #30 
  - So the Constitution is "the color of legitimacy?" Oh yeah, thats right, your an authoritarian.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 11:57 AM   #19 
  - Since firearms are used for many purposes ...  spin   Sep-26-10 12:07 PM   #22 
  - Would you also disarm the Police and Military? n/t  oneshooter   Sep-26-10 06:50 PM   #45 
  - Me, me, me, me! I know the answer.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 11:56 AM   #18 
     - And we will present our arguments once again ...  spin   Sep-26-10 12:41 PM   #26 
        - Then there may be posters here, like that one  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 03:54 PM   #36 
           - S'alright. The Brady Bunch have their own credibility problems, as witness here:  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-26-10 04:59 PM   #39 
              - Like I said, they apparently have  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 05:30 PM   #40 
  - Gun control is a total loser for Dems. We don't want to go there.  mistertrickster   Sep-26-10 11:34 AM   #10 
  - Yes, politically futile. It takes the judiciary and a properly configured Supreme Court.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 11:49 AM   #13 
     - "Properly configured Supreme Court." At least your true colors are showing, Shares.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 12:00 PM   #20 
     - You like the Citizens United decision I take it? Freedom galore. For whom and to what end?  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 07:38 PM   #47 
        - As usual, you could not be more wrong.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 07:53 PM   #48 
           - Sorry, coming up empty handed as to your record on the Citizens United case.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 08:06 PM   #50 
              - You, my friend, are the only authoritarian here.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 09:56 PM   #55 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-10 10:33 PM   #59 
                    - Now you're denying the right to self-defense??  X_Digger   Sep-26-10 10:38 PM   #60 
                    - You are trying to cast MLK as a gun nut and I am just not buying it.  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 11:40 PM   #62 
                       - Dr. King believed in self-defense. You, apparently, do not.  X_Digger   Sep-27-10 07:48 AM   #69 
                    - As usual, you are fact-free and full of inflammatory rhetoric.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 10:38 PM   #61 
     - Since gun control is rooted in racism ...  spin   Sep-26-10 12:48 PM   #27 
     - Well we have 2 cases setting the bar for personal ownership, translation  Pavulon   Sep-26-10 04:03 PM   #37 
     - How is your plan to let foreign army's collect the guns?  oneshooter   Sep-26-10 06:57 PM   #46 
  - Violence is proportional to Population.  Froward69   Sep-26-10 11:47 AM   #12 
  - Hey you! You stop that right now. The OP does NOT like facts or evidence.  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 12:01 PM   #21 
  - Phbbbit...  Froward69   Sep-26-10 12:37 PM   #25 
     - Would you agree that more guns does not mean more violence?  spin   Sep-26-10 12:50 PM   #28 
        - I would think the biggest problem  safeinOhio   Sep-26-10 08:17 PM   #52 
        - Agreed. (n/t)  benEzra   Sep-26-10 10:19 PM   #58 
        - Yes I would  Froward69   Sep-27-10 08:22 AM   #70 
  - Frankly, if I'm gonna die  shadowrider   Sep-26-10 06:23 PM   #41 
  - Everytime the gun control crowd takes a major step forward...  lawodevolution   Sep-26-10 03:39 PM   #33 
  - I told SU what he needs to do. Unfortunately, the post was deleted.  shadowrider   Sep-26-10 06:24 PM   #42 
     - Did you tell him  cleanhippie   Sep-26-10 07:55 PM   #49 
     - I didn't have it said all. As we drew our swords?  sharesunited   Sep-26-10 11:55 PM   #63 
  - Because gang members prefer guns over knives  pneutin   Sep-27-10 01:40 AM   #64 
     - It's hard to do a drive by with a knife. (n/t)  spin   Sep-27-10 10:09 AM   #74 
        - You haven't seen those  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 10:29 AM   #75 
           - If you have seen them, then do you support  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 05:13 PM   #81 
              - only on full auto handguns.  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 05:39 PM   #82 
                 - The question wasn't about handguns. Please answer the question.  oneshooter   Sep-27-10 05:56 PM   #85 
                    - My answer was about handguns  safeinOhio   Sep-27-10 06:46 PM   #86 
 

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