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28. Murder rate in UK was lower than US BEFORE banning guns.
Edited on Tue Jul-20-10 09:35 AM by Statistical
Murder rate has always been lower than the US even when British citizens had equal access to firearms.

Americans have always had a propensity for killing.

Banning guns didn't lower the British homicide rate.
Relaxing guns laws didn't raise the US homicide rate.

Actually the difference between the two rates is falling (US is slowly getting closer to UK) despite UK banning guns and US relaxing gun restrictions.




Slightly long rant but here goes:
I blame mental health system and a systemic breakdown of family (children being raised in bad foster homes and group homes). Anyone reading up of attachment disorders can see that a human who doesn't bond with other humans can be very dangerous later in life. The lack of empathy means they simply don't care. They don't care about killing. That combined with no hope, no future, no chance to break cycle of poverty & violence creates a bad combination.

However solving the real reason for homicides in the United States is tough. It will requires billions of dollars and a generation (or maybe two). It will require consistent support from the government to help poor & struggling families. It will require support/treatment for drug abusers, and a functional child welfare system.

Blaming it on guns is easier.


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        - I notice you made up the burglary rate for the UK at 300% of ours. Revisit those numbers!!!  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 08:48 AM   #13 
           - I did; you ignored it. My source is the UK govt. Actually their robbery rate is 423%+ of the US.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 08:52 AM   #15 
           - You do not know what countries make up the UK do you???  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:13 AM   #17 
              - Original sources.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:17 AM   #19 
              - So you really do not know what makes up the UK do you???  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:24 AM   #22 
              - Want me to revise the cliam. fine. England and Wales has burglary rate 423% of the US.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:26 AM   #25 
              - How about murder rate there Stats?  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:25 AM   #23 
                 - Murder rate in UK was lower than US BEFORE banning guns.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:30 AM   #28 
              - FORMER countries.  Callisto32   Jul-21-10 07:26 AM   #43 
           - The data Statistical linked to looks solid ...  spin   Jul-20-10 09:04 AM   #16 
              - Spin is a good name for you. I never said it was crime free.....  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:21 AM   #20 
                 - No your right. It has a violent crime rate 1084% (not 300%) of the United States.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:24 AM   #21 
                 - So my sources are just wrong? LOL! You pick and choose don't you???  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:26 AM   #24 
                    - One is a website produced by anonymous users. The other is official government sources.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:33 AM   #30 
                 - Will you admit that the crime rate in the U.K. is much higher ...  spin   Jul-20-10 09:27 AM   #26 
                    - Which crimes? Murder? We are three times them on that one!  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:28 AM   #27 
                       - That is the only category and has nothing to do with guns.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:32 AM   #29 
                          - Don't change subject Stats! Address how my sources were wrong! And....  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:33 AM   #31 
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                                   - Decade old data from a anonymous 4th party vs official govt sources.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:51 AM   #34 
                                      - Not 300% like you said. And you KNEW it was wrong!!!  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 09:53 AM   #35 
                                         - It isn't wrong. I provided the cite.  Statistical   Jul-20-10 09:54 AM   #36 
                                            - LOL...Ok, you give up. I'll start a new Burglary Rate In UK..............  KansasVoter   Jul-20-10 10:16 AM   #37 
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