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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 09:17 PM
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59. I think it is admin costs. Which I understand. Like my march fee example.
I guess I would not disagree if you wanted the state to eat those costs as a matter of principal for the 2nd.

But my point is not the cost but the fact I think someone should know how to shoot before getting a permit to carry a weapon.

I am really surprised, more so here, that good gun owners would not want the same thing.

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  -So, the Gun "Enthusiasts" here are 100% OK that a person can get a CC License and never fire a gun? KansasVoter  Jul-11-10 07:57 PM   #0 
  - Yes.  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:06 PM   #1 
  - Shit......  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:09 PM   #2 
  - Edited my post if you're interested. nt  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:16 PM   #7 
     - Stil did not tell me if you are OK with the Utah law. And did not address the CA drivers test.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:18 PM   #9 
        - Yes, I'm Ok with the Utah law,  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:23 PM   #14 
  - The difference is  SoCalNative   Jul-11-10 08:09 PM   #3 
     - True, I didn't think of that. nt  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:12 PM   #5 
     - if you have a utah ccw I do not believe it is valid in NY n/t  newfie11   Jul-11-10 08:27 PM   #16 
        - I said 32 states.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:39 PM   #24 
  - question  bossy22   Jul-11-10 08:12 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-10 08:15 PM   #6 
     - Why is the Utah law insufficient?  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:21 PM   #13 
        - So you think someone is qualified to CC who has never shot a gun? Yes or no  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:40 PM   #25 
        - No. Someone doesn't have to prove to the govt they are "qualified" to excercise their rights.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:43 PM   #28 
        - Jesus, I learned more from your NO answer than I have up to this point.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:45 PM   #31 
           - Well, now you know, and know is half the battle!  cleanhippie   Jul-12-10 01:23 PM   #156 
        - I would rather  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:45 PM   #32 
        - Utah requires NO range time.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:55 PM   #80 
           - Then I would prefer that they did. nt  rrneck   Jul-11-10 10:16 PM   #101 
              - Wow, I am surprised.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:19 PM   #104 
                 - Why?  rrneck   Jul-11-10 10:24 PM   #108 
                    - Because you are arguing this whole thread.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:25 PM   #110 
                       - Nope  rrneck   Jul-11-10 11:16 PM   #119 
        - Yes NT  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 08:49 PM   #37 
           - Your credibility is gone long ago.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:55 PM   #83 
              - So do you think I was lying when I said yes? NT  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 10:18 PM   #103 
        - Hahahaa Utah Residents have to take a class aaaahahahaha suckers  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:40 AM   #125 
  - Works for me.  ManiacJoe   Jul-11-10 08:17 PM   #8 
  - Not sure, but you need to go to a range and prove you can shoot.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:20 PM   #11 
     - I don't have a problem with it.  ManiacJoe   Jul-11-10 08:26 PM   #15 
        - self-delete: responded to wrong post n/t  NewMoonTherian   Jul-11-10 10:13 PM   #98 
  - Why should you have to pay ANYTHING?  HockeyMom   Jul-11-10 08:19 PM   #10 
  - So you should need a fee for driving and a test but not to carry a gun?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:20 PM   #12 
  - You need to pay a fee to drive but not vote.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:33 PM   #18 
  - I have a right to free speech....still need a permit to march or gather in a group. Difference???  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:43 PM   #27 
  - That is why it is a question for the court.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:46 PM   #34 
  - No, permits are common and not being challenged.....  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:01 PM   #42 
     - There is a cost to hold elections.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 09:04 PM   #47 
     - You know there is an amendment against the Poll Tax correct?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:07 PM   #49 
        - However the court didn't rely on the 24th in their decision.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 09:13 PM   #53 
           - I think it is admin costs. Which I understand. Like my march fee example.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:17 PM   #59 
           - In the Chicago case  safeinOhio   Jul-12-10 03:39 AM   #132 
     - The background check fee is separate from the permit fee.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:42 AM   #127 
        - You want to know the sad thing..... NICS is free.  Statistical   Jul-12-10 07:15 AM   #135 
           - We can't use NICS for this.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 10:33 AM   #150 
              - Most states that take fingerprints never run them.  Statistical   Jul-12-10 11:22 AM   #151 
                 - Ours actually get sent in.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 11:38 AM   #153 
                 - OK we can agree to disagree.  Statistical   Jul-12-10 11:42 AM   #154 
                 - Required by law to be fingerprinted to work in public schools  HockeyMom   Jul-14-10 12:55 PM   #169 
  - Your permit to march/gather is not about speech.  ManiacJoe   Jul-11-10 10:04 PM   #93 
  - You shouldn't need that permit either. n/t  NewMoonTherian   Jul-11-10 10:14 PM   #99 
  - Why not go the other way and condemn the permit to speak as well...  Callisto32   Jul-11-10 11:06 PM   #117 
  - So if a gun is a right,  HockeyMom   Jul-11-10 08:48 PM   #36 
     - No that is your bogus argument that I refuted before.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:52 PM   #38 
     - Stop beating that horse.  PavePusher   Jul-11-10 09:54 PM   # 
     - You have failed to respond to this before, but I will try again.  Callisto32   Jul-11-10 11:07 PM   #118 
  - Driving is not a Constitutionally enumerated Civil Right.  PavePusher   Jul-11-10 09:51 PM   #74 
  - Good point, but at least Open Carry is free.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:41 AM   #126 
  - yes. Pretty simple, huh?  cleanhippie   Jul-12-10 01:24 PM   #157 
  - It IS free in Vermont, Arizona and Alaska  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 10:21 PM   #106 
  - Because that is what we are here for  Katya Mullethov   Jul-12-10 07:28 AM   #136 
  - The state I live in, MA, has relatively strict gun laws. But the only requirement  geckosfeet   Jul-11-10 08:32 PM   #17 
  - Gee, you'd think with all the millions of people carrying concealed legally,  aikoaiko   Jul-11-10 08:34 PM   #19 
  - You must pass a "Weapon Familiarity Certification" course but there is no range time.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 08:36 PM   #20 
  - You want to know what is REALLYY SCARRY. In VT you can carry with no permit.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:37 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-10 08:39 PM   #23 
     - OF course not.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:42 PM   #26 
        - Yes or No, it is safe to CC if you have never shot a gun?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 08:44 PM   #29 
           - I have no problem with it.  Statistical   Jul-11-10 08:44 PM   #30 
           - Does having a license make you a safe driver?  one-eyed fat man   Jul-11-10 09:03 PM   #44 
           - Dear Mr. Angry......  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:05 PM   #48 
           - And you can pass that test, without truly knowing how to drive a car safely.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:48 AM   #129 
           - Driver's testing and such.  one-eyed fat man   Jul-12-10 08:08 AM   #138 
              - Funny story and you are a good husband.  Statistical   Jul-12-10 09:23 AM   #145 
           - LOL. Funny post.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 09:15 PM   #57 
           - Sure why not, since we're discussing mythical creatures approaching the scarcity of the unicorn  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:46 AM   #128 
           - When I bought my motorcycle  rrneck   Jul-12-10 09:50 AM   #147 
           - No, as a general rule, I would say it is not.  TPaine7   Jul-14-10 02:40 PM   #172 
  - KansasVoter, don't know about Utah, but in KY  knownothing   Jul-11-10 08:38 PM   #22 
  - Utah requires a "Weapon Familiarity Certification" course, but no actual shooting test.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 08:57 PM   #40 
  - Are you aware that 3 states allow CC W/out a license?  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 08:46 PM   #33 
  - So your view is that no state should have any restrictions?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:09 PM   #50 
     - My view is that if you can legally own a gun you can legally carry it.  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 09:14 PM   #55 
     - Even with me hating CCW, I think you should have to prove you can shoot a gun.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:23 PM   #63 
        - In Colorado other than in Denver  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 09:54 PM   #78 
        - I don't agree with that either.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:06 PM   #96 
           - Colorado State Constitution  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 10:17 PM   #102 
        - What about Open Carry?  PavePusher   Jul-11-10 09:59 PM   #87 
           - No, but common sense says you should have actually have shot....  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:05 PM   #95 
              - May I see your proof of training and state issued licence...  PavePusher   Jul-11-10 10:22 PM   #107 
              - I lost my 13th Amendment card.  Glassunion   Jul-11-10 10:35 PM   #112 
              - Common sense says...  mvccd1000   Jul-12-10 04:21 AM   #133 
              - And you have failed to address any of my counterpoints.  PavePusher   Jul-12-10 07:46 AM   #137 
     - I would prefer that, yes.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:48 AM   #130 
  - I agree that those who carry concealed should be required to qualify on the range ...  spin   Jul-11-10 08:47 PM   #35 
  - Thanks. You are the only one who thinks you should so far. I agree.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:02 PM   #43 
     - My personal belief  cowman   Jul-11-10 09:11 PM   #51 
        - I agree with you. Same in Kansas which does not recognize the Utah law for the lack..  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:21 PM   #62 
           - Just my personal opinion  cowman   Jul-11-10 09:26 PM   #64 
           - And I will say  cowman   Jul-11-10 09:43 PM   #69 
              - I hope I am there with you. I think others might not have your level of logic.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:51 PM   #73 
                 - Logic and wisdom come  cowman   Jul-11-10 09:55 PM   #81 
                    - You too! No hero stuff!! :-)  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:00 PM   #89 
                       - For the next 2 months  cowman   Jul-11-10 10:03 PM   # 
                       - Damn cute!!  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:03 PM   #92 
                       - I learned that lesson years ago in a martial arts class ...  spin   Jul-11-10 10:59 PM   #116 
  - Here is the course of fire for a Texas CHL  oneshooter   Jul-11-10 08:55 PM   #39 
  - including Kansas!  rrneck   Jul-11-10 08:59 PM   #41 
  - Why is that funny? Seriously......  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:03 PM   #45 
     - First Utah, now Texas.  rrneck   Jul-11-10 09:15 PM   #56 
        - What in the fuck are you talking about.....  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:18 PM   #60 
           - What point was that?  rrneck   Jul-11-10 10:16 PM   #100 
              - I still do not know what you are trying to get to.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:25 PM   #109 
  - Don't you think it is as least better than nothing?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:03 PM   #46 
  - A Texas CHL is recognized in 32 states now (even Kansas no less). I did not  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 09:13 PM   #54 
     - You realize Texas has a range requirement correct?  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:34 PM   #67 
        - Ha Ha Ha! No I didn't realize that. Must have got my Tx CHL out of a Cracker Jack box.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 09:42 PM   #68 
           - Then how is Texas and Kansas a joke on me? You might be the worst.....  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:45 PM   #70 
              - Remember, the one who laughs last, didn't get the joke. Maybe  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 09:47 PM   #72 
                 - LOL.....write me tomorrow when you re not drunk.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:52 PM   #75 
                    - Your the one that not only can't figure out the joke you keep asking people  Hoopla Phil   Jul-11-10 09:55 PM   #82 
  - What should the requirements be? nt  rrneck   Jul-11-10 09:11 PM   #52 
  - He doesn't think there should be any requirements  MisterBill45   Jul-11-10 09:19 PM   #61 
     - OK.......please post one place I said that, just one. I cannot wait for your lame search!  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:54 PM   #76 
  - I'll support having to get permission  MisterBill45   Jul-11-10 09:16 PM   #58 
  - Thanks for not answering the question. Never shot a gun and carrying concealed. God Bless the NRA.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:33 PM   #65 
     - I thought my answer was quite clear: NO  MisterBill45   Jul-11-10 09:56 PM   #84 
     - Wow, firearms safety trainer and thinks people should CC with no range time!! God Bless America!  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:59 PM   #88 
        - Please read the following.  Glassunion   Jul-11-10 10:20 PM   #105 
        - I didn't say that  MisterBill45   Jul-11-10 10:29 PM   #111 
           - KansasVoter has a vivid imagination  slackmaster   Jul-12-10 01:45 PM   #158 
     - Yeah, actually, the NRA didn't have a damn thing to do with it in my state.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:53 AM   #131 
  - Flame bait.  Glassunion   Jul-11-10 09:33 PM   #66 
  - Only two have said they think a range requirement should be required. Say a lot.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:46 PM   #71 
     - Few things.  Glassunion   Jul-11-10 09:54 PM   #79 
     - Funny......  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:03 PM   #91 
        - Funny, I did not say.  Glassunion   Jul-11-10 10:08 PM   #97 
        - I was going to answer, but...... flamebait. nt  SteveM   Jul-14-10 01:30 PM   #170 
     - Make that three. I am just now getting around to this thread.  GreenStormCloud   Jul-11-10 09:56 PM   #85 
     - I agree with you. Even though I best most have either way.  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 10:01 PM   #90 
        - That doesn't make any sense.  slackmaster   Jul-12-10 01:46 PM   #159 
     - You're right, it does say a lot.  PavePusher   Jul-11-10 10:05 PM   #94 
     - +1 n/t  X_Digger   Jul-12-10 11:24 AM   #152 
     - Meh. There is a range requirement here in NC...  benEzra   Jul-12-10 09:07 AM   #141 
        - Exactly. The OP argument is intellectually dishonest.  Statistical   Jul-12-10 09:18 AM   #142 
  - Do your arms hurt?  beevul   Jul-11-10 09:54 PM   #77 
  - LOL.....wow, that was the lamest one yet!!  KansasVoter   Jul-11-10 09:57 PM   #86 
  - The goal:  onehandle   Jul-11-10 10:35 PM   #113 
  - Damn, are those CZs?  Travis Coates   Jul-11-10 10:58 PM   #115 
     - Probably tanfoglios... ewww...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-11-10 11:35 PM   #121 
  - I'm not ok with it.  NewMoonTherian   Jul-11-10 10:44 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-10 11:21 PM   #120 
  - Sadly we can't do federally mandated reciprocity  MisterBill45   Jul-11-10 11:35 PM   #122 
  - I don't have a problem with it...  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-11-10 11:44 PM   #123 
  - We don't even have a test in Washington. Must be why the streets are knee deep in blood.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-12-10 12:36 AM   #124 
  - Of course a person applying has fired a gun, come on  repeal_nfa   Jul-12-10 04:33 AM   #134 
  - When I got my CHL  rrneck   Jul-12-10 09:54 AM   #148 
     - Thanks.  repeal_nfa   Jul-13-10 12:42 AM   #164 
  - The carry license is about screening WHO is legally carrying...  benEzra   Jul-12-10 08:08 AM   #139 
  - Its mental masturbation  Katya Mullethov   Jul-12-10 08:23 AM   #140 
     - And the Washington Monument is a phallic symbol...  spin   Jul-13-10 01:30 AM   #165 
  - You're conflating two questions  Euromutt   Jul-12-10 09:19 AM   #143 
  - +1. n/t  Statistical   Jul-12-10 09:20 AM   #144 
  - What other nuggets of wisdom are you 'shocked' that aren't the subject of 'pitched' 'fits'?  X_Digger   Jul-12-10 09:40 AM   #146 
  - See my post #94. n/t  PavePusher   Jul-12-10 10:13 AM   #149 
  - I am also 100% OK with First Amendment "enthusiasts" that can spout nonsense  cleanhippie   Jul-12-10 01:20 PM   #155 
  - OK, let's try this again...  Straw Man   Jul-12-10 02:09 PM   #160 
  - We are not a bunch of chicken little types like it seems you are  Taitertots   Jul-12-10 03:42 PM   #161 
  - Yes.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 07:24 PM   #162 
  - +1  Glassunion   Jul-12-10 07:25 PM   #163 
  - range time, should be required .nt  Kringle   Jul-13-10 01:34 AM   #166 
  - Guess I'm going to be one of the few here who have no problem  RamboLiberal   Jul-13-10 11:13 AM   #167 
  - They didn't do it because it's unconstitutional  MisterBill45   Jul-14-10 12:12 PM   #168 
  - Utah's statute requires a demonstration of firearm familiarity...  S_B_Jackson   Jul-14-10 02:15 PM   #171 
 

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