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| 21. You want to know what is REALLYY SCARRY. In VT you can carry with no permit. |
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Just put a gun in a holster and carry it. THE BLOOD IN THE STREETSSSSS. Oh wait VT has one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the United States.  |
| -So, the Gun "Enthusiasts" here are 100% OK that a person can get a CC License and never fire a gun? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 07:57 PM |
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Yes. |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:06 PM |
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Shit...... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:09 PM |
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Edited my post if you're interested. nt |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:16 PM |
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Stil did not tell me if you are OK with the Utah law. And did not address the CA drivers test. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:18 PM |
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Yes, I'm Ok with the Utah law, |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:23 PM |
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The difference is |
SoCalNative |
Jul-11-10 08:09 PM |
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True, I didn't think of that. nt |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:12 PM |
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if you have a utah ccw I do not believe it is valid in NY n/t |
newfie11 |
Jul-11-10 08:27 PM |
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I said 32 states. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:39 PM |
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question |
bossy22 |
Jul-11-10 08:12 PM |
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Jul-11-10 08:15 PM |
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Why is the Utah law insufficient? |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:21 PM |
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So you think someone is qualified to CC who has never shot a gun? Yes or no |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:40 PM |
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No. Someone doesn't have to prove to the govt they are "qualified" to excercise their rights. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:43 PM |
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Jesus, I learned more from your NO answer than I have up to this point. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:45 PM |
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Well, now you know, and know is half the battle! |
cleanhippie |
Jul-12-10 01:23 PM |
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I would rather |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:45 PM |
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Utah requires NO range time. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:55 PM |
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Then I would prefer that they did. nt |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 10:16 PM |
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Wow, I am surprised. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:19 PM |
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Why? |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 10:24 PM |
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Because you are arguing this whole thread. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:25 PM |
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Nope |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 11:16 PM |
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Yes NT |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 08:49 PM |
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Your credibility is gone long ago. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:55 PM |
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So do you think I was lying when I said yes? NT |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 10:18 PM |
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Hahahaa Utah Residents have to take a class aaaahahahaha suckers |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:40 AM |
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Works for me. |
ManiacJoe |
Jul-11-10 08:17 PM |
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Not sure, but you need to go to a range and prove you can shoot. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:20 PM |
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I don't have a problem with it. |
ManiacJoe |
Jul-11-10 08:26 PM |
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self-delete: responded to wrong post n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Jul-11-10 10:13 PM |
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Why should you have to pay ANYTHING? |
HockeyMom |
Jul-11-10 08:19 PM |
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So you should need a fee for driving and a test but not to carry a gun? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:20 PM |
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You need to pay a fee to drive but not vote. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:33 PM |
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I have a right to free speech....still need a permit to march or gather in a group. Difference??? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:43 PM |
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That is why it is a question for the court. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:46 PM |
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No, permits are common and not being challenged..... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:01 PM |
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There is a cost to hold elections. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 09:04 PM |
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You know there is an amendment against the Poll Tax correct? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:07 PM |
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However the court didn't rely on the 24th in their decision. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 09:13 PM |
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I think it is admin costs. Which I understand. Like my march fee example. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:17 PM |
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In the Chicago case |
safeinOhio |
Jul-12-10 03:39 AM |
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The background check fee is separate from the permit fee. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:42 AM |
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You want to know the sad thing..... NICS is free. |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 07:15 AM |
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We can't use NICS for this. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 10:33 AM |
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Most states that take fingerprints never run them. |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 11:22 AM |
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Ours actually get sent in. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 11:38 AM |
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OK we can agree to disagree. |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 11:42 AM |
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Required by law to be fingerprinted to work in public schools |
HockeyMom |
Jul-14-10 12:55 PM |
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Your permit to march/gather is not about speech. |
ManiacJoe |
Jul-11-10 10:04 PM |
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You shouldn't need that permit either. n/t |
NewMoonTherian |
Jul-11-10 10:14 PM |
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Why not go the other way and condemn the permit to speak as well... |
Callisto32 |
Jul-11-10 11:06 PM |
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So if a gun is a right, |
HockeyMom |
Jul-11-10 08:48 PM |
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No that is your bogus argument that I refuted before. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:52 PM |
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Stop beating that horse. |
PavePusher |
Jul-11-10 09:54 PM |
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You have failed to respond to this before, but I will try again. |
Callisto32 |
Jul-11-10 11:07 PM |
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Driving is not a Constitutionally enumerated Civil Right. |
PavePusher |
Jul-11-10 09:51 PM |
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Good point, but at least Open Carry is free. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:41 AM |
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yes. Pretty simple, huh? |
cleanhippie |
Jul-12-10 01:24 PM |
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It IS free in Vermont, Arizona and Alaska |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 10:21 PM |
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Because that is what we are here for |
Katya Mullethov |
Jul-12-10 07:28 AM |
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The state I live in, MA, has relatively strict gun laws. But the only requirement |
geckosfeet |
Jul-11-10 08:32 PM |
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Gee, you'd think with all the millions of people carrying concealed legally, |
aikoaiko |
Jul-11-10 08:34 PM |
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You must pass a "Weapon Familiarity Certification" course but there is no range time. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 08:36 PM |
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You want to know what is REALLYY SCARRY. In VT you can carry with no permit. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:37 PM |
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Jul-11-10 08:39 PM |
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OF course not. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:42 PM |
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Yes or No, it is safe to CC if you have never shot a gun? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 08:44 PM |
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I have no problem with it. |
Statistical |
Jul-11-10 08:44 PM |
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Does having a license make you a safe driver? |
one-eyed fat man |
Jul-11-10 09:03 PM |
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Dear Mr. Angry...... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:05 PM |
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And you can pass that test, without truly knowing how to drive a car safely. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:48 AM |
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Driver's testing and such. |
one-eyed fat man |
Jul-12-10 08:08 AM |
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Funny story and you are a good husband. |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 09:23 AM |
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LOL. Funny post. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 09:15 PM |
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Sure why not, since we're discussing mythical creatures approaching the scarcity of the unicorn |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:46 AM |
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When I bought my motorcycle |
rrneck |
Jul-12-10 09:50 AM |
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No, as a general rule, I would say it is not. |
TPaine7 |
Jul-14-10 02:40 PM |
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KansasVoter, don't know about Utah, but in KY |
knownothing |
Jul-11-10 08:38 PM |
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Utah requires a "Weapon Familiarity Certification" course, but no actual shooting test. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 08:57 PM |
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Are you aware that 3 states allow CC W/out a license? |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 08:46 PM |
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So your view is that no state should have any restrictions? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:09 PM |
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My view is that if you can legally own a gun you can legally carry it. |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 09:14 PM |
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Even with me hating CCW, I think you should have to prove you can shoot a gun. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:23 PM |
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In Colorado other than in Denver |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 09:54 PM |
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I don't agree with that either. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:06 PM |
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Colorado State Constitution |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 10:17 PM |
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What about Open Carry? |
PavePusher |
Jul-11-10 09:59 PM |
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No, but common sense says you should have actually have shot.... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:05 PM |
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May I see your proof of training and state issued licence... |
PavePusher |
Jul-11-10 10:22 PM |
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I lost my 13th Amendment card. |
Glassunion |
Jul-11-10 10:35 PM |
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Common sense says... |
mvccd1000 |
Jul-12-10 04:21 AM |
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And you have failed to address any of my counterpoints. |
PavePusher |
Jul-12-10 07:46 AM |
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I would prefer that, yes. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:48 AM |
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I agree that those who carry concealed should be required to qualify on the range ... |
spin |
Jul-11-10 08:47 PM |
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Thanks. You are the only one who thinks you should so far. I agree. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:02 PM |
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My personal belief |
cowman |
Jul-11-10 09:11 PM |
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I agree with you. Same in Kansas which does not recognize the Utah law for the lack.. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:21 PM |
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Just my personal opinion |
cowman |
Jul-11-10 09:26 PM |
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And I will say |
cowman |
Jul-11-10 09:43 PM |
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I hope I am there with you. I think others might not have your level of logic. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:51 PM |
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Logic and wisdom come |
cowman |
Jul-11-10 09:55 PM |
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You too! No hero stuff!! :-) |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:00 PM |
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For the next 2 months |
cowman |
Jul-11-10 10:03 PM |
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Damn cute!! |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:03 PM |
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I learned that lesson years ago in a martial arts class ... |
spin |
Jul-11-10 10:59 PM |
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Here is the course of fire for a Texas CHL |
oneshooter |
Jul-11-10 08:55 PM |
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including Kansas! |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 08:59 PM |
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Why is that funny? Seriously...... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:03 PM |
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First Utah, now Texas. |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 09:15 PM |
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What in the fuck are you talking about..... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:18 PM |
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What point was that? |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 10:16 PM |
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I still do not know what you are trying to get to. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:25 PM |
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Don't you think it is as least better than nothing? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:03 PM |
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A Texas CHL is recognized in 32 states now (even Kansas no less). I did not |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 09:13 PM |
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You realize Texas has a range requirement correct? |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:34 PM |
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Ha Ha Ha! No I didn't realize that. Must have got my Tx CHL out of a Cracker Jack box. |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 09:42 PM |
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Then how is Texas and Kansas a joke on me? You might be the worst..... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:45 PM |
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Remember, the one who laughs last, didn't get the joke. Maybe |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 09:47 PM |
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LOL.....write me tomorrow when you re not drunk. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:52 PM |
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Your the one that not only can't figure out the joke you keep asking people |
Hoopla Phil |
Jul-11-10 09:55 PM |
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What should the requirements be? nt |
rrneck |
Jul-11-10 09:11 PM |
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He doesn't think there should be any requirements |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-11-10 09:19 PM |
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OK.......please post one place I said that, just one. I cannot wait for your lame search! |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:54 PM |
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I'll support having to get permission |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-11-10 09:16 PM |
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Thanks for not answering the question. Never shot a gun and carrying concealed. God Bless the NRA. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:33 PM |
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I thought my answer was quite clear: NO |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-11-10 09:56 PM |
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Wow, firearms safety trainer and thinks people should CC with no range time!! God Bless America! |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:59 PM |
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Please read the following. |
Glassunion |
Jul-11-10 10:20 PM |
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I didn't say that |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-11-10 10:29 PM |
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KansasVoter has a vivid imagination |
slackmaster |
Jul-12-10 01:45 PM |
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Yeah, actually, the NRA didn't have a damn thing to do with it in my state. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:53 AM |
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Flame bait. |
Glassunion |
Jul-11-10 09:33 PM |
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Only two have said they think a range requirement should be required. Say a lot. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:46 PM |
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Few things. |
Glassunion |
Jul-11-10 09:54 PM |
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Funny...... |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:03 PM |
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Funny, I did not say. |
Glassunion |
Jul-11-10 10:08 PM |
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I was going to answer, but...... flamebait. nt |
SteveM |
Jul-14-10 01:30 PM |
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Make that three. I am just now getting around to this thread. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jul-11-10 09:56 PM |
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I agree with you. Even though I best most have either way. |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 10:01 PM |
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That doesn't make any sense. |
slackmaster |
Jul-12-10 01:46 PM |
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You're right, it does say a lot. |
PavePusher |
Jul-11-10 10:05 PM |
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+1 n/t |
X_Digger |
Jul-12-10 11:24 AM |
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Meh. There is a range requirement here in NC... |
benEzra |
Jul-12-10 09:07 AM |
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Exactly. The OP argument is intellectually dishonest. |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 09:18 AM |
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Do your arms hurt? |
beevul |
Jul-11-10 09:54 PM |
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LOL.....wow, that was the lamest one yet!! |
KansasVoter |
Jul-11-10 09:57 PM |
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The goal: |
onehandle |
Jul-11-10 10:35 PM |
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Damn, are those CZs? |
Travis Coates |
Jul-11-10 10:58 PM |
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Probably tanfoglios... ewww... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jul-11-10 11:35 PM |
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I'm not ok with it. |
NewMoonTherian |
Jul-11-10 10:44 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Jul-11-10 11:21 PM |
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Sadly we can't do federally mandated reciprocity |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-11-10 11:35 PM |
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I don't have a problem with it... |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Jul-11-10 11:44 PM |
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We don't even have a test in Washington. Must be why the streets are knee deep in blood. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jul-12-10 12:36 AM |
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Of course a person applying has fired a gun, come on |
repeal_nfa |
Jul-12-10 04:33 AM |
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When I got my CHL |
rrneck |
Jul-12-10 09:54 AM |
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Thanks. |
repeal_nfa |
Jul-13-10 12:42 AM |
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The carry license is about screening WHO is legally carrying... |
benEzra |
Jul-12-10 08:08 AM |
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Its mental masturbation |
Katya Mullethov |
Jul-12-10 08:23 AM |
#140 |
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And the Washington Monument is a phallic symbol... |
spin |
Jul-13-10 01:30 AM |
#165 |
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You're conflating two questions |
Euromutt |
Jul-12-10 09:19 AM |
#143 |
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+1. n/t |
Statistical |
Jul-12-10 09:20 AM |
#144 |
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What other nuggets of wisdom are you 'shocked' that aren't the subject of 'pitched' 'fits'? |
X_Digger |
Jul-12-10 09:40 AM |
#146 |
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See my post #94. n/t |
PavePusher |
Jul-12-10 10:13 AM |
#149 |
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I am also 100% OK with First Amendment "enthusiasts" that can spout nonsense |
cleanhippie |
Jul-12-10 01:20 PM |
#155 |
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OK, let's try this again... |
Straw Man |
Jul-12-10 02:09 PM |
#160 |
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We are not a bunch of chicken little types like it seems you are |
Taitertots |
Jul-12-10 03:42 PM |
#161 |
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Yes. |
proteus_lives |
Jul-12-10 07:24 PM |
#162 |
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+1 |
Glassunion |
Jul-12-10 07:25 PM |
#163 |
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range time, should be required .nt |
Kringle |
Jul-13-10 01:34 AM |
#166 |
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Guess I'm going to be one of the few here who have no problem |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-13-10 11:13 AM |
#167 |
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They didn't do it because it's unconstitutional |
MisterBill45 |
Jul-14-10 12:12 PM |
#168 |
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Utah's statute requires a demonstration of firearm familiarity... |
S_B_Jackson |
Jul-14-10 02:15 PM |
#171 |
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