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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. You continue to muck
"I suppose you could start by nerfing actual military weapons"

Thats a grouping...a classification. I have no interest in constraining according to pre-existing classification. I'm not discussing law. I'm discussing a concept.

When does risk outweigh utility with specific firearms? Can it?
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  -A question for those who want to ban or restrict "assult weapons". PavePusher  Jul-08-10 10:46 PM   #0 
  - Kick and Recommend. Will hold back for a bit to comment.  Hoopla Phil   Jul-08-10 10:51 PM   #1 
  - Please don't wait. We are dying to hear!  KansasVoter   Jul-08-10 10:56 PM   #2 
     - Honoring the request made in th O.P. You know what that is don't  Hoopla Phil   Jul-08-10 11:46 PM   #15 
  - How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?  onehandle   Jul-08-10 11:06 PM   #3 
  - The Woodchuck amendment guarantees their right to chuck as much as they want  Oregone   Jul-08-10 11:07 PM   #4 
  - "assault weapons" is an arbitrary term  Oregone   Jul-08-10 11:15 PM   #5 
  - All that shit means nothing  Pavulon   Jul-08-10 11:39 PM   #13 
  - Whatever  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:14 AM   #19 
     - Obvious and reasonable to you. Unreasonable and unconstitutional to us.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:26 AM   #41 
     - If its unreasonable, no weapon can ever have its utility outweighed by its risk  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:36 AM   #44 
     - The question has already been asked.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:43 AM   #46 
     - And technology has changed during those 100 years  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:50 AM   #49 
        - No, you're simply not understanding me.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:56 AM   #51 
           - "Not radically"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:00 AM   #54 
              - The fact you call them 'arbitrary legal positions' suggests to me you may be the one  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:10 AM   #59 
                 - Until we can determine universal human law through math alone...  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:12 AM   #61 
                    - The pressures and risks that brought about the 2nd amendment remain, today.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:20 AM   #64 
                       - Yep, the British are coming  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:22 AM   #65 
                          - Getting back to history  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:24 AM   #67 
                             - I agree  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:40 AM   #68 
                                - Now you're just being silly  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 09:54 AM   #102 
                                   - The entire stonewalling youre conducting against debate is silly  Oregone   Jul-09-10 09:56 AM   #104 
                                      - My weapons are useful, specifically because they are dangerous.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 10:00 AM   #107 
                                         - All weapons are dangerous. Some more than others  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:03 AM   #110 
                                         - You continue to ignore the point.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 10:09 AM   #114 
                                         - You continue to muck  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:13 AM   #115 
                                         - When the weapon doesn't operate as designed  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 10:26 AM   #118 
                                         - "Utility is precisely the variable that is being advanced, that you seem to consider 'risk'"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:33 AM   #119 
                                         - Nobody can do that with current semi-autos.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 10:54 AM   #120 
                                         - Who said I'm talking about semi-autos?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:00 AM   #121 
                                         - 750+ rounds per minute is utility.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:13 AM   #124 
                                         - Okey doke  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:16 AM   #125 
                                         - When hunting, 5 rounds is generally the legal max on what you put in the rifle.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:18 AM   #126 
                                         - Yes, and we should fight to repeal such an infringment  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:20 AM   #127 
                                         - Hunting regulations are not related to the protections afforded by the 2nd amendment.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:23 AM   #128 
                                         - Most of this thread is simply childish  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:28 AM   #130 
                                         - I did, long ago.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:33 AM   #131 
                                         - "how could I possibly accept X level of utility being 'too dangerous'?"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:39 AM   #132 
                                         - Actually  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:44 AM   #133 
                                         - No  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:50 AM   #134 
                                         - The same way we limit availability to recidivist felons post-release  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 11:57 AM   #135 
                                         - "I do not want thugs obtaining indiscriminate, suppressive fire weapons."  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:04 PM   #136 
                                         - Indiscriminate fire.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 12:10 PM   #137 
                                         - Such an ability to do so is determined by a combination of attributes of the model  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:16 PM   #139 
                                         - Can you name a feature set that lends itself, not just by capability  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 12:31 PM   #142 
                                         - No attribute of any gun forces it to be used in a malevolent, indiscriminate manner  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:41 PM   #144 
                                         - It isn't arbitrary.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 12:50 PM   #146 
                                         - "Unless it is your goal to ban all semi-autos"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:57 PM   #147 
                                         - Not aw well as an M249 or 240 golf  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 01:01 PM   #149 
                                         - "Not as well" doesn't eliminate the possible capabilities, eh?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 01:08 PM   #151 
                                         - You can put suppressive fire down with a bolt action rifle  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 01:20 PM   #153 
                                         - I don't think so  Oregone   Jul-09-10 01:38 PM   #156 
                                         - You have nothing but a lost cause.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 02:20 PM   #157 
                                         - "there is no restriction relevant to which type of rifles or pistols I should be able to own or ca"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:28 PM   #158 
                                         - Pretty much reasonable. Limiting me to a 10 round mag  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 02:32 PM   #159 
                                         - "suggesting that there exists no semi-automatic rifle ..."  Statistical   Jul-09-10 02:57 PM   #160 
                                         - "and the quality of the design" contradicts "they all are equally "good""  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:01 PM   #161 
                                         - Jams and misfires are not a contradiction.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:28 PM   #164 
                                         - However it is very subjective and differences in quality are minimal compared to skill.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 03:41 PM   #167 
                                         - "doesn't it seem kinda stupid to only ban high quality firearms."  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:54 PM   #169 
                                         - Now you're just flailing around.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:55 PM   #170 
                                         - Even a revolver can be used for 'suppressive fire'.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:25 PM   #163 
                                         - Not a term I introduced, mind you  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:34 PM   #165 
                                         - Agreed.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:42 PM   #168 
                                         - The nature of the mechanics of a fully-auto weapon  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:22 PM   #162 
     - A 12 Gague shotgun is .72 caliber.  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 07:58 AM   #74 
     - Yeah, its what I use for home defense  Oregone   Jul-09-10 09:50 AM   #101 
     - Applied to the rest of the rights.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:32 AM   #86 
     - That's not accurate.  HALO141   Jul-09-10 12:45 PM   #145 
     - The guys who blew up buses in london used TATP  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:31 AM   #85 
  - Anything with enough stopping power to humanely kill a deer, will go through 2-3 human bodies.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:12 AM   #27 
  - Youre setting the bar of risk vs utility very low, and constructing a strawman in the process  Oregone   Jul-09-10 01:40 AM   #29 
     - The classification is already done.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:58 AM   #34 
     - Thats bullshit, and it avoids the question I asked  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:03 AM   #35 
        - You didn't understand my response.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:13 AM   #37 
           - The problem here is...  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:25 AM   #40 
           - Select-fire weapons are used for suppressing fire.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:33 AM   #42 
           - "It simply cannot be done."  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:44 AM   #47 
              - The appropriate counter-measures to the 'half retarded sociopathic step child'  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:00 AM   #53 
                 - "we changed the way police respond to active shooter situations"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:02 AM   #55 
                    - Approve or disapprove, meaningless to me.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:05 AM   #57 
                       - Laws are not universally correct, just because they are laws  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:10 AM   #60 
                          - I didn't stop your debate.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 09:57 AM   #105 
                             - You just mucked it up with nonesense  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:02 AM   #109 
                                - I haven't ignored it.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 10:06 AM   #113 
           - I agree with you  NewMoonTherian   Jul-09-10 08:39 AM   #88 
              - "I support the repeal of bans on large calibers, AP ammunition and machine guns"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:02 AM   #108 
                 - I think an occasional shot of...  NewMoonTherian   Jul-09-10 06:58 PM   #188 
           - It's funny:  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 08:00 AM   #75 
              - *snicker* I see what you did there. n/t  NewMoonTherian   Jul-10-10 03:46 PM   #254 
     - is there ever a point where the potential risk of a specific firearm outweighs the utility .......  The Green Manalishi   Jul-09-10 09:58 AM   #106 
     - Even if that utility is redundant (not unique)?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 10:05 AM   #111 
        - Ideally.  The Green Manalishi   Jul-09-10 10:23 AM   #117 
     - Yes, certainly. And that line is based on function,  benEzra   Jul-09-10 09:10 PM   #204 
  - You would be incorrect.  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 07:53 AM   #73 
  - You ask why should any be banned. I ask why should any be allowed.  sharesunited   Jul-08-10 11:17 PM   #6 
  - For the same reason you will not be bound and gagged  Pavulon   Jul-08-10 11:26 PM   #8 
  - "Because smart men wrote laws"  Oregone   Jul-08-10 11:28 PM   #10 
  - Yet, you still have no political base to change them.  Pavulon   Jul-08-10 11:32 PM   #11 
  - "A rifle back then fired a bullet over a hundred yards."  Oregone   Jul-08-10 11:34 PM   #12 
     - The killed plenty of people back in the day  Pavulon   Jul-08-10 11:42 PM   #14 
     - Plenty of people standing in dense lines  Oregone   Jul-09-10 12:11 AM   #18 
        - You are describing the generally abysmal british marksmanship of the time.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:46 AM   #30 
     - Wrong.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:34 AM   #28 
     - Random thought...  Oregone   Jul-09-10 01:55 AM   #33 
        - What about Gas Grills?  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:08 AM   #36 
        - Do gas tanks and pipes have utility that outweighs their potential risks?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:13 AM   #38 
           - In the 90's, I was told I could not buy a rifle with certain features, because it was an 'assault we  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:20 AM   #39 
              - Thats not my game, whatsoever  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:33 AM   #43 
                 - I like what is lawful under our Constitution.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:40 AM   #45 
                 - Does God exist?  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:48 AM   #48 
                    - I have not encountered any objective, credible evidence to support the existence of any  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 02:52 AM   #50 
                       - Well its right there in the bible. Its written in black and white! Its gotta be true!  Oregone   Jul-09-10 02:57 AM   #52 
                          - I am not bound in any way by the bible. I am bound by the Constitution.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:03 AM   #56 
                             - "So it's a rather fruitless exercise"  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:05 AM   #58 
                                - We are talking in circles.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:13 AM   #62 
                                   - So. Discussing is not a violation. We aren't breaking any laws by talking  Oregone   Jul-09-10 03:20 AM   #63 
                                   - As I began earlier  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 03:23 AM   #66 
                                   - I'll engage in the discussion.  NewMoonTherian   Jul-10-10 08:27 AM   #247 
                                   - Oh man, I spent all day hacking apart two stumps in the sun, the hard way.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-11-10 12:32 AM   #255 
                                   - Man, if I had to...  NewMoonTherian   Jul-11-10 01:05 AM   #256 
                                   - Last year I used black powder  oneshooter   Jul-11-10 10:36 AM   #258 
                 - Why do you list accuracy as a risk factor?  GreenStormCloud   Jul-10-10 08:59 AM   #249 
        - Move those goal posts, move em down, move those goal posts, move em around!  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 08:04 AM   #77 
     - Bullshit.  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 08:03 AM   #76 
     - Check out the Kentucky / Pennsylvania / Tennessee rifle  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 08:23 AM   #83 
  - Check out the Girandoni Rifle  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 08:21 AM   #82 
  - The words of smart men have intentionally been misinterpreted to indulge a cultural illness.  sharesunited   Jul-09-10 12:43 AM   #22 
     - Care to back up your claim?  TheWraith   Jul-09-10 09:17 AM   #95 
     - And Johnny-on-the-spot, He's here to cure it! nt  SteveM   Jul-09-10 01:17 PM   #152 
  - For hunting, target shooting and self defense ...  spin   Jul-09-10 12:00 AM   #16 
  - All of that is very true.  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 12:07 AM   #17 
     - Versatility. 5 round mag for hunting, 30 round mag for home defense.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 12:44 AM   #23 
        - Lots of versatility  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 01:03 AM   #24 
        - "Of course some were full autos"  Statistical   Jul-09-10 01:12 AM   #26 
        - 12 injured, 2 dead bad guys. Holy shit, I wish every murdering homicidal maniac had a hit rate like  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:49 AM   #31 
        - Some have better results with semi-autos  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 07:30 AM   #70 
           - You do know that ALL rifles are involved in less than 3% of murders annually, yes?  benEzra   Jul-09-10 08:05 AM   #78 
           - That is why I'm for  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:31 AM   #84 
              - Vast majority of violent crime involves stolen or illegal guns.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:28 AM   #96 
                 - One DUer has suggested such a system.  GreenStormCloud   Jul-10-10 09:17 AM   #250 
           - Sorry, but the first two cops were killed with a pump-action shotgun.  TheWraith   Jul-09-10 09:29 AM   #97 
        - The shoot-out with a Thousand Faces. My word, what glaring over-use.  SteveM   Jul-09-10 01:29 PM   #154 
        - If on a budget, I'd get a  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 07:41 AM   #72 
           - That is YOUR choice however others have the RIGHT to make their own choices.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:47 AM   #100 
           - That's your choice and a good one ...  spin   Jul-09-10 10:06 AM   #112 
              - You'd be surprised, actually  Euromutt   Jul-10-10 04:08 AM   #245 
                 - I never really thought of that, but it makes sense. (n/t)  spin   Jul-10-10 12:17 PM   #253 
  - As usual, a nonsense contribution to the discussion.  proteus_lives   Jul-09-10 04:49 AM   #69 
  - Hmmm, how about because they're among the least misused of all guns  benEzra   Jul-09-10 08:16 AM   #80 
  - Under our legal system, everything is allowed except that which has been prohibited  slackmaster   Jul-09-10 09:06 AM   #93 
  - guns are just tools, the gun culture in this country is an illness  kratos12   Jul-08-10 11:24 PM   #7 
  - Yep, the fat "nra" fat fuck gun "culture" is not stacking bodies  Pavulon   Jul-08-10 11:28 PM   #9 
  - I sure don't see the NRA  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 01:08 AM   #25 
     - The cause isn't specific to firearms. Americans are generally, very violent.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 01:52 AM   #32 
     - Not their job. The head up their asses people we elect  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:35 AM   #87 
     - It is the people the NRA helps get elected  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:44 AM   #91 
        - Voters own it. Easy to blame, but at the end of the day  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 01:03 PM   #150 
     - About 29% of NRA endorsed candidates are Democrats. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Jul-10-10 09:21 AM   #251 
  - So true. But most do not understand the worry. They need steel courage.  KansasVoter   Jul-09-10 12:23 AM   #21 
  - So what if that piece of steel give me more confidence?  GreenStormCloud   Jul-10-10 09:24 AM   #252 
  - Uncle Joe and the Neighborhood Militia  Travis Coates   Jul-09-10 07:31 AM   #71 
  - Typical, gun and thug culture confused.  Callisto32   Jul-09-10 08:20 AM   #81 
  - Any reason you posted that other than to help yourself deal with your inferiority complex?  Euromutt   Jul-10-10 04:19 AM   #246 
  - Don't most of us want to restrict firearms?  ZombieHorde   Jul-09-10 12:21 AM   #20 
  - Correct. I passed 2 ssbi checks  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:42 AM   #90 
     - So, it's all about you.  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:53 AM   #92 
     - There is no legal cheap full auto.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 01:00 PM   #148 
     - I hooked one of those up the other day  Katya Mullethov   Jul-09-10 09:11 AM   #94 
  - Tell me again how rifles are such a fricking crime problem?  benEzra   Jul-09-10 08:12 AM   #79 
  - You are right  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:40 AM   #89 
     - Might want to check your math.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:34 AM   #98 
        - Of course, but  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 12:15 PM   #138 
           - And yet police are killed with handguns four to one compared to rifles.  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 12:27 PM   #141 
           - Sure, for just knocking off one or two,  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 04:42 PM   #176 
              - That's one way to do it.  ManiacJoe   Jul-09-10 04:50 PM   #178 
              - So , I cant own a 30rd mag because some asshole planned something...  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:42 PM   #187 
              - And I might use my computer to distribute child porn..  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 07:23 PM   #189 
                 - Only one time  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:26 PM   #192 
                    - No, it does not matter. All the stacked bodies  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:37 PM   #193 
                    - Like I said  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:54 PM   #195 
                       - 50 state ccw baby.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:02 PM   #198 
                       - You sure don't know me  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:21 PM   #208 
                          - I have one, and should only need one.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:23 PM   #211 
                             - I travel and this comes in handy  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:37 PM   #226 
                                - Driving the east coast is a pain in the ass.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:38 PM   #229 
                                   - Careful what you ask for  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:55 PM   #237 
                                      - Vermont would be better. Its a blood bath there..(nt)  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:58 PM   #238 
                       - We still have mail order rifles. Ever heard of gun broker.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:36 PM   #225 
                          - Not in the Sears catalog anymore.  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:39 PM   #230 
                          - From their web site  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:44 PM   #232 
                             - Hmm.... I must have remembered incorrectly.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 10:02 PM   #239 
                             - Gunbroker is being cautious  Straw Man   Jul-11-10 03:09 AM   #257 
                    - "may" being the operative word.  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 08:55 PM   #196 
           - Military rifles are already heavily restricted under the NFA and have been for 8 decades.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 12:33 PM   #143 
              - What most are really referring to  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 04:48 PM   #177 
                 - Dont see any 30 round magazines  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:26 PM   #185 
  - OK, here are the thoughts that have been in my mind and I ask that you grant  Nuclear Unicorn   Jul-09-10 09:42 AM   #99 
  - None of those are true.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:55 AM   #103 
  - Thank-you  Nuclear Unicorn   Jul-09-10 10:16 AM   #116 
  - Police wear the armor that best suits the threats they usually face.  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 11:01 AM   #122 
  - Exactly all armor is a tradeoff in protection vs. encurmberence.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 12:25 PM   #140 
  - He was totally wrong about banning  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 08:40 PM   #194 
     - Best ban duct tape, too.  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 08:59 PM   #197 
     - I wouldn't try it  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:25 PM   #212 
        - ROFL.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:38 PM   #228 
        - Try it and find out if  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:51 PM   #235 
        - But it shows the inanity of such restrictions.  X_Digger   Jul-09-10 09:48 PM   #234 
           - All I can say is  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 10:02 PM   #240 
     - Which serves no purpose.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:03 PM   #199 
     - Kinda like speed limits  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:28 PM   #215 
        - Not everyone. Some pay for the charge to become a non moving violation  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:37 PM   #227 
           - Welcome to America  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 10:05 PM   #241 
              - All about what you can pay for..  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 10:07 PM   #242 
     - No I want to destroy a stupid law like that one.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:04 PM   #200 
        - That makes sense.  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:31 PM   #218 
           - Stupid laws, like prohibition  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:35 PM   #223 
  - The flak vest I  cowman   Jul-10-10 08:48 AM   #248 
  - Here is the difference between an "assault weapon" and a "sporting rifle."  benEzra   Jul-09-10 11:07 AM   #123 
  - Absolutely absurd  Oregone   Jul-09-10 11:26 AM   #129 
  - Hey, here's another example:  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 04:42 PM   #175 
     - What country is the picture hosted in? (ie how much can you pay)  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:27 PM   #186 
     - A better analogy would be Britney at 26 in a black dress, and Britney at 26 in a blue dress.  benEzra   Jul-09-10 09:05 PM   #201 
  - The North Hollywood Bank Robbery was an anomoly  RamboLiberal   Jul-09-10 05:40 PM   #180 
     - Yup never bring a handgun to a rifle fight.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:06 PM   #202 
  - After tha Bull-in-the ring stuff, I'm glad I followed your adivce to "hold back." nt  SteveM   Jul-09-10 01:33 PM   #155 
  - What is the difference between a 20 year old at 11:59 PM on their birthday and a minute later  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 03:35 PM   #166 
  - we move lines too  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 03:55 PM   #171 
     - Right, so, what's your problem?  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 04:02 PM   #172 
        - Sure they can disagree. But reason and logic should be there. Not FUD  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 04:16 PM   #173 
           - You are going in a circle  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 04:37 PM   #174 
              - My point is gun control is a worthless bamboozle  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:14 PM   #182 
              - That's not the subject of the thread  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:11 PM   #205 
                 - Whats the point there, please remind me..  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:18 PM   #207 
                    - Okay, you just plain old don't like law in general  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:26 PM   #213 
                       - Law is enforced based on socio economic basis  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:29 PM   #216 
                          - Never saw a poor guy go to jail for insider trading, but whatever. /nt  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:31 PM   #220 
                             - Or many millionaires on death row.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:33 PM   #221 
                                - Federal convicts?  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:42 PM   #231 
                                   - More than 8/10th would be black..  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:52 PM   #236 
              - If they feel what is "best" is violating the Constitution well then it doesn't really matter what  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:09 PM   #203 
                 - Okay, so, there's been no federal case on this thing?  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:22 PM   #209 
                    - There is very little precedent until now.  Statistical   Jul-09-10 09:34 PM   #222 
  - ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY, FULL STOP FOR A MINUTE!!!  PavePusher   Jul-09-10 05:12 PM   #179 
     - It's simple  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 05:43 PM   #181 
     - Your age of consent is wrong...  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:23 PM   #184 
     - Depends on the state.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-09-10 07:24 PM   #190 
        - Seen "prosecutorial description"  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 08:22 PM   #191 
           - Oh you have, have you?  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:27 PM   #214 
              - Thats when a rape case  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 09:31 PM   #219 
                 - "discretion", nitwit  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:35 PM   #224 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-09-10 09:48 PM   #233 
                    - Name calling. Nice.  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 10:53 PM   #243 
     - Again, the comparable law on firearms would be the National Firearms Act.  benEzra   Jul-09-10 09:17 PM   #206 
        - Black lingerie is killer.  safeinOhio   Jul-09-10 09:23 PM   #210 
        - Yeah... That is in fact done in some contexts  jberryhill   Jul-09-10 09:30 PM   #217 
           - Ah, but again, you're once again comparing qualitatively different things,  benEzra   Jul-09-10 11:00 PM   #244 
     - Stoner..  Pavulon   Jul-09-10 06:20 PM   #183 
 

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