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| 8. SCOTUS said UNANIMOUSLY, that the 2nd Amendment applies to the state.... |
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Edited on Mon Jun-28-10 09:35 AM by virginia mountainman
The majority Justices do not support all parts of the Alito opinion, but all five agree that the 2d Amendment applies to state and local government.
They just differ on scope...
....ALL 9....
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| -Supreme Court extends gun rights (5-4 ruling incorporates Second Amendment) |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 09:18 AM |
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K&R. The typical 5-4 split, but... |
brendan120678 |
Jun-28-10 09:20 AM |
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bump for the majority |
SlipperySlope |
Jun-28-10 10:41 AM |
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The nefarious and felonious five seem to becoming even more nefariouser and |
indepat |
Jun-28-10 04:29 PM |
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The U.S. of the NRA. Fuck the NRA, fuck guns, and fuck the Supreme Court. |
katandmoon |
Jun-28-10 09:22 AM |
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+1 n/t |
n2doc |
Jun-28-10 09:26 AM |
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Bad day Kat??? ..NT... |
virginia mountainman |
Jun-28-10 09:31 AM |
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+1 |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:39 AM |
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It must be tough going through life so angry about your inability to control other people |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 09:44 AM |
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LMAO!!! FUNNY post. |
Bold Lib |
Jun-28-10 10:24 AM |
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:-))) |
aikoaiko |
Jun-28-10 10:24 AM |
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You're not a big fan of Civil Rights, are you? n/t |
PavePusher |
Jun-28-10 10:36 AM |
#69 |
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It's hard to be when you rely on prohibitionism & culture war. nt |
SteveM |
Jun-29-10 01:20 PM |
#130 |
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Taking your ball and going home? |
proteus_lives |
Jun-28-10 11:05 AM |
#87 |
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"Fuck, fuck, fuck..." |
TPaine7 |
Jun-28-10 11:07 AM |
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Guns won't care one way or the other, |
TPaine7 |
Jun-28-10 11:08 AM |
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Sounds like |
guardian |
Jun-28-10 11:22 AM |
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That was... |
Iktomiwicasa |
Jun-28-10 12:08 PM |
#102 |
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Aww, here, have a cookie.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-28-10 02:23 PM |
#113 |
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And just how old are you? |
rl6214 |
Jun-28-10 02:28 PM |
#114 |
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All this love talk |
minavasht |
Jun-28-10 03:47 PM |
#118 |
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Makes me happy to write my dues checks. |
gorfle |
Jun-28-10 06:55 PM |
#122 |
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Self defense is a human right. Glad to see the court recognized human rights apply to all 50 states |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:22 AM |
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+1 |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jun-28-10 09:31 AM |
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right-to-own extended to felons next . . . then children . . . . |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:23 AM |
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Always the silly off the mark specualtion. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:35 AM |
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even the Mayor is trying to keep guns out of Chicago to maintain some sense of safety |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:38 AM |
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Chicago has a gun ban yet has a murder rate 3x the national average. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:40 AM |
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well then . . . if they are such a deterrent, lets arm the kids, the felons , , , |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:43 AM |
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From one strawman to another. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:46 AM |
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then lets just make it simple - guns for felons, guns for children, mandatory carry |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:50 AM |
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DrDan, it seems you have no interest in having a serious discussion about the topic |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 09:52 AM |
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I disagree with this ruling . . . . . more guns is not the answer - imho |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:55 AM |
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Thanks for your opinion. I disagree completely. |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 10:02 AM |
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You're not allowed to create a strawman to argue against. |
TheWraith |
Jun-28-10 10:38 AM |
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You are allowed to hold any position you want... |
PavePusher |
Jun-28-10 10:41 AM |
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hmmmm . . . don't remember asking you for "comfort" . . . |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 11:13 AM |
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Quote: |
PavePusher |
Jun-28-10 12:17 PM |
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telling someone to turn off their computer and think about something else is badgering |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 02:50 PM |
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Nobody (except you) said guns are the solution. The 2nd isn't about SOLUTIONS it is about rights. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:54 AM |
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Always the exception |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 12:23 PM |
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they already are |
Madame DuFuey |
Jun-28-10 04:53 PM |
#120 |
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"Lets just go completely nuts:" Sounds like someone is already there. |
SteveM |
Jun-29-10 01:26 PM |
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Blind paranoia! |
HALO141 |
Jun-28-10 12:29 PM |
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80 shootings and 11 deaths in 7 days - with the gun ban |
DonP |
Jun-28-10 10:47 AM |
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Why not toss the 4th and 5th amendments for Chicago then? |
metalbot |
Jun-28-10 09:49 AM |
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SCOTUS addresses that safety argument. |
Bold Lib |
Jun-28-10 10:43 AM |
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How's that safety thing |
Abq_Sarah |
Jun-28-10 12:30 PM |
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Really? |
PavePusher |
Jun-28-10 10:39 AM |
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The court addresses that point |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 10:55 AM |
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Standard silliness. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-28-10 11:06 AM |
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Did you read it? |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 11:19 AM |
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...then rollicking kittycats, balled up at your feet...then flatulent Labradors! |
SteveM |
Jun-29-10 01:24 PM |
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Thank god they still respect one amendment |
Doctor_J |
Jun-28-10 09:24 AM |
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Good to hear. |
Dappleganger |
Jun-28-10 09:25 AM |
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SCOTUS said UNANIMOUSLY, that the 2nd Amendment applies to the state.... |
virginia mountainman |
Jun-28-10 09:30 AM |
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Care to explain. "All 5" and "unanimously". |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:33 AM |
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Good Catch... NT |
virginia mountainman |
Jun-28-10 09:35 AM |
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I am interested in readnig the disenting opinion then. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:37 AM |
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Theres 9 justices. |
mr_liberal |
Jun-28-10 09:33 AM |
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In the details... |
virginia mountainman |
Jun-28-10 09:36 AM |
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Ok that's better then. |
mr_liberal |
Jun-28-10 09:42 AM |
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The same 5 who declared that corporations are people |
Doctor_J |
Jun-28-10 09:35 AM |
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That is stupid. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:38 AM |
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What are you talking about? |
Doctor_J |
Jun-28-10 09:45 AM |
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No I can like that Cheney is in favor of gay marriage and at the same time not like him. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:47 AM |
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You just made the other person's point. |
TheWraith |
Jun-28-10 10:41 AM |
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The ACLU must be un-american then |
mr_liberal |
Jun-28-10 09:44 AM |
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Oh, goodie! More guns!! Guns always make things better. |
AndyA |
Jun-28-10 09:31 AM |
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I see it as "More choices" |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 09:47 AM |
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I certainly won't trust you with my civil rights. |
rrneck |
Jun-28-10 10:26 AM |
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Would you? Just because you have a gun? |
AndyA |
Jun-28-10 11:25 AM |
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If you knew anything first hand |
rrneck |
Jun-28-10 07:16 PM |
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You don't know me, so you aren't in a positon to judge what I do or do not know first hand. |
AndyA |
Jun-28-10 11:05 PM |
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Judo! *snort* |
X_Digger |
Jun-28-10 11:17 PM |
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Enough indeed |
rrneck |
Jun-29-10 10:41 AM |
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It deals with guns in the home |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 11:04 AM |
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That is all the Court was asked to decide. |
TPaine7 |
Jun-28-10 11:16 AM |
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You may not like what they |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 12:17 PM |
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Actually, you don't understand my position on CCW. |
TPaine7 |
Jun-28-10 01:25 PM |
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She does that a lot, I've noticed.. |
X_Digger |
Jun-28-10 02:48 PM |
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More rights and choices make things better. |
proteus_lives |
Jun-28-10 11:07 AM |
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In most states, citizens with CCW permits have been extensively screened. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-28-10 01:27 PM |
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I've debunked that argument before. |
gorfle |
Jun-28-10 07:13 PM |
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And defenders of the Second are accused of paranoia? nt |
SteveM |
Jun-29-10 01:37 PM |
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Im glad for the decision. |
mr_liberal |
Jun-28-10 09:32 AM |
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Good move. Alito discusses Justice Black's "total incorporation" theory in the opinion. |
Hosnon |
Jun-28-10 09:34 AM |
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Mayor Daley can cry in his Cheerios now... |
Atlatl |
Jun-28-10 09:36 AM |
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Lets hope that this freedom doesn't result in thousands of dead people |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 09:40 AM |
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The evidence on gun bans is completely clear. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:42 AM |
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That wasn't my conclusion after reading all scientific findings out there |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 09:48 AM |
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Well then you didn't look very hard. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:49 AM |
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How have you isolated gun law among other factors? Sounds like science w/o the hard work |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 10:10 AM |
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How have you proven that gun bans lower crime? |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 10:13 AM |
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I made no affirmative assertion, you did. I said the research was unclear |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 10:17 AM |
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Well then you support the ruling? |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 10:19 AM |
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As in DC it leaves previously |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 11:07 AM |
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It hasn't happened elsewhere... |
PavePusher |
Jun-28-10 10:48 AM |
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Look at the other states to see how well gun freedom has worked. |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-28-10 01:30 PM |
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So we should ban freedom if some people act stupidly with their freedom? |
NHLrocks |
Jun-28-10 05:02 PM |
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oh brother . . . . |
DrDan |
Jun-28-10 09:42 AM |
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You do NOT support safety and sanity. |
eqfan592 |
Jun-28-10 10:39 AM |
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I half expect the Mayor to bulldoze McDonald's house... |
virginia mountainman |
Jun-28-10 09:55 AM |
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Ludicrous...absolutely fucking ludicrous...takes a twisted mind to come |
joeybee12 |
Jun-28-10 09:41 AM |
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What twisted logic. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:43 AM |
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Please explain why you disagree with it |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 09:47 AM |
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What happened to the state's rights crowd, activism much? |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 09:49 AM |
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What happened to the activism (incorporation) crowd, |
mr_liberal |
Jun-28-10 09:53 AM |
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States don't have rights. States have powers. People have rights. |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 09:53 AM |
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States don't have rights. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 09:56 AM |
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All states have to abide by the constitution, all of it. N/T |
GreenStormCloud |
Jun-28-10 01:35 PM |
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Justice Stevens on Judge made law: |
usregimechange |
Jun-28-10 09:54 AM |
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Fantastic news! |
old guy |
Jun-28-10 09:57 AM |
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Gun manufacturers - Not so much |
DonP |
Jun-28-10 11:31 AM |
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The solution is obvious: repeal the 2nd ammendment. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-28-10 10:00 AM |
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Except majority of Americans support right to keep and bear arms. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 10:03 AM |
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Oh, it's completely impossible, I freely acknowledge that. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Jun-28-10 10:14 AM |
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Based on what evidence, exactly... |
eqfan592 |
Jun-28-10 10:44 AM |
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Do you even know what the constitutional definition of "militia" is? |
TheWraith |
Jun-28-10 10:48 AM |
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I see nothing good about it. And have yet to hear why it would be "good." |
SteveM |
Jun-29-10 01:45 PM |
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Gallup shows that |
safeinOhio |
Jun-28-10 11:14 AM |
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If you think you can get 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures to agree |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 10:04 AM |
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So we can be as "safe" as the subjects of the Crown? n/t |
oneshooter |
Jun-28-10 08:11 PM |
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Yeah |
cowman |
Jun-28-10 10:18 PM |
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Bit of a stretch. An ideological decision. |
mmonk |
Jun-28-10 10:02 AM |
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Not that there's anything wrong with that |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 10:05 AM |
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Except they will deny 14th amendment rights to citizens on other issues |
mmonk |
Jun-28-10 10:10 AM |
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The Second Amendment has no qualifier |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 10:12 AM |
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That's interpretive at best and without the history |
mmonk |
Jun-28-10 10:39 AM |
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People was never equated with states. They simply said STATES. |
Statistical |
Jun-28-10 11:18 AM |
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The word "regulated"... |
slackmaster |
Jun-28-10 01:23 PM |
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"People" != "States" |
X_Digger |
Jun-28-10 02:58 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jun-28-10 10:47 AM |
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Hah, that's way funny! I am *so* quoting that last line. |
friendly_iconoclast |
Jun-28-10 11:13 AM |
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Another victory for civil rights in the USA. |
aikoaiko |
Jun-28-10 10:54 AM |
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A great decision! |
proteus_lives |
Jun-28-10 11:04 AM |
#86 |
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