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17. Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce. Hey, that's my fuckin' gun!
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  -Pine Bluff Burger King Worker Shoots Alleged Robber oneshooter  May-21-10 01:53 PM   #0 
  - One brave woman. (n/t)  spin   May-21-10 01:54 PM   #1 
  - Brave or stupid  Oregone   May-21-10 02:07 PM   #5 
     - You would have to be in her position to know...  spin   May-21-10 04:14 PM   #54 
  - This story is unpossible  shadowrider   May-21-10 01:58 PM   #2 
  - Employees should know that. Its not their fucking money  Oregone   May-21-10 02:06 PM   #4 
     - No but it is their lives.  oneshooter   May-21-10 02:13 PM   #7 
     - "Better to die fighting than be a sheeple."  Oregone   May-21-10 02:19 PM   #8 
        - Paul Dennis Reid  one-eyed fat man   May-21-10 02:48 PM   #19 
        - This robber's name was Jason Robinson  Oregone   May-21-10 03:06 PM   #24 
           - You want to be fucking victim  cowman   May-21-10 06:18 PM   #66 
              - No one wants to be a victim. Given the choice, Id prefer being an alive one  Oregone   May-21-10 06:59 PM   #69 
        - And you have no idea what was going on in the guys head.  oneshooter   May-21-10 03:35 PM   #32 
        - Well, at least its something to go on  Oregone   May-21-10 03:49 PM   #41 
        - The point is this...  57_TomCat   May-21-10 05:25 PM   #59 
           - "The victim alone has the information necessary..."  Oregone   May-21-10 05:36 PM   #62 
              - Are you going to rely on the criminal...  PavePusher   May-22-10 02:14 PM   #114 
                 - A bit of a joke with some truth woven in  Oregone   May-22-10 04:33 PM   #116 
                    - If a robber couldn't convince you that they're willing to kill or maim you..  X_Digger   May-22-10 04:59 PM   #121 
                    - We were talking about criminals with guns in peoples faces.  PavePusher   May-22-10 05:27 PM   #122 
     - And when the robbery is done, do you have some guarantee that you won't  AtheistCrusader   May-21-10 02:21 PM   #9 
     - For fuck's sake. The best and worse scenarios aren't guaranteed  Oregone   May-21-10 02:31 PM   #12 
        - How much do you have to lose?  AtheistCrusader   May-21-10 02:49 PM   #20 
           - It has nothing to do with how much you value your life. Its about how you interpret risk  Oregone   May-21-10 03:10 PM   #26 
              - 55%  OneTenthofOnePercent   May-21-10 03:36 PM   #34 
              - Die?  Oregone   May-21-10 03:45 PM   #37 
              - victims actively resisted in only 7 percent of the robberies...accounted for 51 percent of the death  Oregone   May-21-10 04:14 PM   #53 
                 - In fairness, correlation/causation  AtheistCrusader   May-21-10 05:13 PM   #57 
                    - While I understand your points...  Oregone   May-21-10 05:27 PM   #60 
                       - It seems like the situation where you are in the most danger  AtheistCrusader   May-21-10 05:53 PM   #65 
              - If you do not consider the value of your life, how can you weigh risk against it?  AtheistCrusader   May-21-10 05:15 PM   #58 
                 - Silly you....  Oregone   May-21-10 05:30 PM   #61 
     - And we should believe the promises of criminals?  PavePusher   May-22-10 02:10 PM   #113 
        - Profanity doesn't offend me  Oregone   May-22-10 04:34 PM   #117 
           - In respect for Skinner's request, we try to keep things civil down here. N/T  GreenStormCloud   May-22-10 06:28 PM   #123 
  - Moral of the story --  brendan120678   May-21-10 02:02 PM   #3 
  - Again with the drive by unrecs! n/t  oneshooter   May-21-10 02:10 PM   #6 
  - Proud to UNREC  katandmoon   May-21-10 02:23 PM   #10 
  - You hate it when people refuse to be victims, huh?  proteus_lives   May-21-10 02:29 PM   #11 
  - This laborer who has to risk their life for shareholders' profits remains a perpetual victim  Oregone   May-21-10 02:32 PM   #13 
     - Yeah, I'm sure she was thinking of the shareholders.  proteus_lives   May-21-10 02:34 PM   #14 
        - As I said earlier, takes a little stupid to do something like this  Oregone   May-21-10 02:37 PM   #15 
           - Sheesh  shadowrider   May-21-10 02:44 PM   #16 
           - Yeah, and she sets a perfect example for the next Darwin Award winner  Oregone   May-21-10 02:47 PM   #18 
              - And here I thought SU was the only one here who could make me chuckle n/t  shadowrider   May-21-10 02:56 PM   #22 
              - I bet the Lane Bryant women and the Brown's Chicken workers wish they had that choice.  DonP   May-21-10 03:41 PM   #35 
                 - Yes, but at least they were cooperative  shadowrider   May-21-10 03:44 PM   #36 
                 - Afterall, rules should be based on horrendous exceptions  Oregone   May-21-10 03:46 PM   #40 
                    - Submitting to a criminal is obviously your choice - good luck with that.  DonP   May-21-10 04:02 PM   #48 
                 - Don't forget that Starbucks in D.C.  Euromutt   May-21-10 08:54 PM   #96 
              - Not by him.  proteus_lives   May-21-10 02:57 PM   #23 
           - Stupid?  proteus_lives   May-21-10 02:55 PM   #21 
              - Pretty much a good way to say "stupid"  Oregone   May-21-10 03:18 PM   #28 
                 - If the robber had been smart, he wouldn't be holding up a lousy Burger King  Euromutt   May-22-10 01:04 AM   #111 
                    - The man was clearly an idiot  Oregone   May-22-10 04:34 PM   #118 
  - Why? n/t  oneshooter   May-21-10 03:30 PM   #30 
  - Why? Discuss, much? n/t  PavePusher   May-22-10 02:15 PM   #115 
  - Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce. Hey, that's my fuckin' gun!  JBoy   May-21-10 02:45 PM   #17 
  - Could just as easily been her shot.  louis-t   May-21-10 03:09 PM   #25 
  - Im pretty sure fighting back and dying for BK is better than cooperating and walking away  Oregone   May-21-10 03:12 PM   #27 
     - Get it right. NO ONE is suggesting she die for BK  shadowrider   May-21-10 03:24 PM   #29 
     - What a joke  Oregone   May-21-10 03:30 PM   #31 
        - All it takes is one time, or do you have 9 lives?  shadowrider   May-21-10 03:35 PM   #33 
           - Huh? And all it takes is for her to of gotten unlucky one time  Oregone   May-21-10 03:45 PM   #38 
              - I guess the cases cited in post #35 don't exist in your dojo.  friendly_iconoclast   May-21-10 03:53 PM   #43 
                 - No, because the *reality* is top predictor of death in robbery is non-cooperation  Oregone   May-21-10 03:58 PM   #44 
                    - That study was before millions of Americans began to carry concealed.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 07:44 PM   #75 
                       - Silly you....  Oregone   May-21-10 07:53 PM   #79 
                          - She grabbed it AFTER he set it down and took his hand away. N/T  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:29 PM   #88 
                             - And?  Oregone   May-21-10 08:35 PM   #90 
     - As I said above, it all depends on the situation ...  spin   May-21-10 04:37 PM   #55 
        - While I agree that you must consider certain variables...  Oregone   May-21-10 04:47 PM   #56 
           - You make a valid point ....  spin   May-21-10 07:28 PM   #73 
              - Of course there are exceptions  Oregone   May-21-10 07:34 PM   #74 
  - BK, like a other similar corporations teaches employees to NOT resist.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 03:46 PM   #39 
  - Oregone doesn't seem to be able to grasp that.  proteus_lives   May-21-10 03:52 PM   #42 
     - Yes, I understand she was being stupid (acting on primitive, animialistic instincts)  Oregone   May-21-10 03:59 PM   #45 
     - Wow, you're always the little man in these threads.  proteus_lives   May-21-10 04:01 PM   #47 
     - Im not passive and its not self defense that bothers me  Oregone   May-21-10 04:06 PM   #52 
     - Yup, "primitive", e.g. she had more balls than some folks around here I guess. Ntxt  DonP   May-21-10 04:04 PM   #49 
     - "Balls" means the suspension of intellectual thought?  Oregone   May-21-10 04:06 PM   #51 
     - "Yes, I understand she was being stupid (acting on primitive, animialistic instincts)"  Straw Man   May-22-10 12:56 AM   #110 
     - Not exactly  Oregone   May-22-10 04:39 PM   #119 
     - I will refer once again the "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker  Euromutt   May-22-10 08:28 PM   #124 
     - Some just can't accept that the world isn't Sunnybrook Farm...  friendly_iconoclast   May-21-10 03:59 PM   #46 
        - Some can't accept that they more often kill non-cooperating victims  Oregone   May-21-10 04:05 PM   #50 
           - Each person has to evaluate the probabilities of their own situation.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 05:41 PM   #63 
              - No shit. But it helps to know you have a 14 X chance of death resisting  Oregone   May-21-10 05:45 PM   #64 
                 - Oregone, PMFJI, but I'm curious as to where you got that "14 X chance of death" figure  slackmaster   May-21-10 06:20 PM   #67 
                    - From this study:  Oregone   May-21-10 07:02 PM   #70 
                       - From the cited abstract...  slackmaster   May-21-10 07:18 PM   #71 
                       - "but they did not come from the cited abstract."  Oregone   May-21-10 07:24 PM   #72 
                          - Guns are outlawed in Chicago.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 07:49 PM   #77 
                          - "using a study of unarmed resistance to argue against armed resistance"  Oregone   May-21-10 07:54 PM   #80 
                             - Check the date of the study.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 07:57 PM   #81 
                                - You make no sense. This employee had no concealed weapon.  Oregone   May-21-10 08:02 PM   #82 
                                   - Workers are rarely armed, but sometimes they are.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:11 PM   #85 
                          - You're the one who posted the sucky link to an abstract when I asked for a cite  slackmaster   May-21-10 08:35 PM   #89 
                             - It could be, yes  Oregone   May-21-10 08:36 PM   #91 
                       - That study is obsolete. The dynamics have since greatly changed.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 07:46 PM   #76 
                       - This woman did not have a concealed weapon.  Oregone   May-21-10 07:52 PM   #78 
                          - You seem to be arguing against any resistance using older studies.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:07 PM   #83 
                          - If she had a clear path to the gun, a struggle would not have followed  Oregone   May-21-10 08:10 PM   #84 
                             - She did have a clear path to the gun. She grabbed it and retained control of it.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:28 PM   #87 
                                - "she picked up the gun and they began to wrestle"  Oregone   May-21-10 08:38 PM   #92 
                                   - She gained control of the gun by grabbing it.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:43 PM   #93 
                                      - "It appears that she may have been hesitant to shoot him"  Oregone   May-21-10 08:48 PM   #94 
                                         - Control of gun = had it in her hand.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:54 PM   #95 
                                            - Thats a low bar  Oregone   May-21-10 10:43 PM   #101 
                          - Don't try to generalize, yet then whip it back to this specific case.  X_Digger   May-21-10 10:02 PM   #98 
                       - 1984 Study, also when public attitudes toward handguns was different..  X_Digger   May-21-10 10:15 PM   #99 
                          - You didn't read that well prior to posting, did ya?  Oregone   May-21-10 10:41 PM   #100 
                             - Relevant re the increase of more people resisting via firearms.  X_Digger   May-21-10 11:08 PM   #102 
                                - Yeah, but this person resisted prior to having a fire arm  Oregone   May-21-10 11:15 PM   #103 
                                   - If you're making generalizations about resistance v compliance  X_Digger   May-21-10 11:23 PM   #104 
                                   - I don't even know what you are getting at anymore  Oregone   May-21-10 11:26 PM   #105 
                                      - See your post #56.  X_Digger   May-21-10 11:34 PM   #106 
                                         - facepalm  Oregone   May-21-10 11:39 PM   #107 
                                            - Then don't make generalizations as though it's still relevant in today's culture. n/t  X_Digger   May-21-10 11:42 PM   #108 
                                               - Its relevant to a woman who was unarmed. She had no CCW.  Oregone   May-21-10 11:59 PM   #109 
                                   - You are wrong. She cooperated before she had a gun. Her resistance began...  GreenStormCloud   May-22-10 12:04 PM   #112 
                                      - Now you are taking quite a few liberties with language in your explanation  Oregone   May-22-10 04:45 PM   #120 
                                         - Have you considered a career as a tap dancer?  GreenStormCloud   May-22-10 09:54 PM   #125 
  - Every night I close the restaurant I think security.  era veteran   May-21-10 06:46 PM   #68 
  - The crook set the gun down. This is a special case.  GreenStormCloud   May-21-10 08:25 PM   #86 
  - He should've said "Gimme the money pretty please"....  east texas lib   May-21-10 08:59 PM   #97 

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