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mjane Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #25
55. It's not about need
It's a red herring.

I don't NEED fire insurance (it's less likely I'll need fire insurance than a gun) or NEED to know CPR.

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  -What value, life? X_Digger  May-10-10 09:31 AM   #0 
  - All of the above  Uben   May-10-10 09:42 AM   #1 
  - ...  rrneck   May-10-10 09:53 AM   #2 
  - You forgot a couple...  Glassunion   May-10-10 10:08 AM   #3 
  - Good point, but..  X_Digger   May-10-10 10:13 AM   #4 
     - Good try, but...  Glassunion   May-10-10 12:18 PM   #8 
        - Well, if I can challenge them to think about their own positions..  X_Digger   May-10-10 12:22 PM   #9 
           - Exactly. And lurkers on this thread will take notice of the deafening  jazzhound   May-10-10 12:51 PM   #10 
  - I don't currently have a firearm.  cliffordu   May-10-10 10:45 AM   #5 
  - So strong is the gun control reality distortion field  TPaine7   May-10-10 11:17 AM   #6 
  - Or the lives/well being of others.  Callisto32   May-10-10 01:11 PM   #11 
  - that's almost Dukakis'esque  mjane   Sep-10-10 04:06 AM   #54 
     - I was blessed with a son after I was forty...  57_TomCat   Sep-10-10 03:42 PM   #77 
  - I am (was) rated an expert marksman and was on a SWAT team  wolfgangmo   May-13-10 10:42 AM   #25 
     - In the past these points you raise have been argued.  Glassunion   May-13-10 01:44 PM   #26 
     - Negative logic is illogical and doesn't mean it didn't happen!  InanimateObject   May-14-10 06:06 AM   #27 
     - Outstanding post, IO ---- welcome!  jazzhound   May-14-10 11:54 AM   #28 
     - Great !! Welcome to DU and to the gungeon. N/T  GreenStormCloud   May-16-10 08:14 AM   #31 
     - Switzerland is one of the most secure democracies on the face of the  truedelphi   Jul-16-10 07:57 PM   #39 
     - I'd be very happy with the gun laws in Switzerland here.  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 08:36 AM   #59 
     - It's not about need  mjane   Sep-10-10 04:08 AM   #55 
     - how tall are you? .nt  Kringle   Sep-10-10 07:46 AM   #58 
     - Illogical straw man posed, here...  SteveM   Sep-10-10 02:07 PM   #69 
  - All of the above, and so strong is the phrase *gun control reality distortion  jazzhound   May-10-10 11:39 AM   #7 
  - 5 hours and no response to the question in the OP? (from someone who has a 'threshold')  X_Digger   May-10-10 03:01 PM   #12 
  - K&R  Biker13   May-11-10 04:13 AM   #13 
  - The silence is deafening.  Glassunion   May-11-10 06:25 AM   #14 
  - That is because, somewhere...  Callisto32   May-11-10 07:38 AM   #15 
  - How many  rrneck   May-11-10 02:55 PM   #16 
  - You mean how many who take such a position?  X_Digger   May-11-10 03:09 PM   #17 
     - Yep. I shoulda been more clear. The silence speaks volumes. nt  rrneck   May-11-10 03:25 PM   #18 
  - Apparently the anti-RKBA group values their lives less than the pro-RKBA group or even criminals. nt  jody   May-11-10 03:59 PM   #19 
  - Due to lack of response...  Glassunion   May-12-10 02:09 PM   #20 
  - +1 n/t  jazzhound   May-12-10 02:52 PM   #21 
  - ...  X_Digger   May-12-10 03:13 PM   #22 
     - Ha! Brilliant!  Glassunion   May-12-10 04:08 PM   #23 
  - Kicked as a reminder of the silence from the pro-control members. n/t  jazzhound   May-12-10 09:27 PM   #24 
  - I'm still waiting for one to show up and answer the question  shadowrider   May-15-10 01:45 PM   #29 
  - I still can't believe not one, not one anti has posted on this thread  shadowrider   May-16-10 07:19 AM   #30 
  - Because they is skeert! n/t  oneshooter   May-16-10 10:39 AM   #32 
  - *bump* still hoping for an answer. n/t  X_Digger   May-22-10 09:00 AM   #33 
  - I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves NT  Indy Lurker   May-25-10 05:52 PM   #34 
  - kick n/t  jazzhound   May-31-10 07:14 PM   #35 
  - kick  X_Digger   Jun-30-10 09:59 AM   #36 
  - ...  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 07:27 PM   #37 
  - I have protected myself without one  HockeyMom   Jul-16-10 07:39 PM   #38 
  - Please address the question in the OP? n/t  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 08:35 PM   #40 
     - I have worked with mentally challenged adults  HockeyMom   Jul-16-10 09:13 PM   #41 
        - Please, please answer the question posed in the OP.  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 09:23 PM   #42 
        - I just DID  HockeyMom   Jul-16-10 09:25 PM   #43 
           - So only cops. Thanks for finally giving a straight answer.  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 09:29 PM   #44 
              - No  HockeyMom   Jul-16-10 09:36 PM   #45 
              - No to which? (I edited my post.) n/t  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 09:37 PM   #46 
                 - Everything you said  HockeyMom   Jul-16-10 09:39 PM   #47 
                    - Thanks for the clarification. n/t  X_Digger   Jul-16-10 09:43 PM   #48 
                    - Apparently she believes in a Police State. n/t  oneshooter   Jul-16-10 09:50 PM   #49 
                    - I know a cop in a small town back east  mjane   Sep-10-10 04:12 AM   #56 
              - Not wanting to speak for HockeyMom, but...  Euromutt   Jul-17-10 12:55 AM   #50 
        - Obviously, your background has prepared you on how to handle ...  spin   Jul-17-10 12:59 AM   #51 
           - The whole "need" thing is a red herring  mjane   Sep-10-10 04:14 AM   #57 
  - kick. n/t  X_Digger   Sep-09-10 09:23 PM   #52 
  - Just one pro-control response after four months.  jazzhound   Sep-10-10 12:40 AM   #53 
  - Your generalization goes pretty far.  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 08:52 AM   #60 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-10 09:53 AM   #61 
  - Many on your list  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 10:12 AM   #62 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-10 10:17 AM   #63 
     - I also didn't list those dishonorably discharged, or those with domestic abuse convictions, or..  X_Digger   Sep-10-10 11:19 AM   #64 
     - Are you TRYING to be difficult here?  cleanhippie   Sep-10-10 11:46 AM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-10 12:36 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-10-10 01:13 PM   #67 
  - Exactly why is gun registration necessary?  spin   Sep-10-10 01:42 PM   #68 
     - I'm not arguing for CCW guns only to be  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 02:08 PM   #70 
        - I still fail to understand how registration will hinder criminals....  PavePusher   Sep-10-10 02:11 PM   #71 
        - We put them all to work  Katya Mullethov   Sep-10-10 02:21 PM   #72 
        - Easy example  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 02:26 PM   #73 
           - While this may not  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 02:30 PM   #74 
           - Maybe I'm just being dense (I'm getting more coffee in a minute)...  PavePusher   Sep-10-10 02:34 PM   #75 
              - If the handgun is registered  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 02:48 PM   #76 
              - If the Government decides that handguns are not needed  oneshooter   Sep-12-10 09:49 AM   #102 
              - And you put them under " Essentials"  Katya Mullethov   Sep-12-10 05:57 AM   #101 
        - I don't remember ever launching a personal attack against you ...  spin   Sep-10-10 06:26 PM   #78 
        - Most of the cases are for long guns  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 08:38 PM   #79 
        - Actually it may be a good thing that handguns are commonly used in street crime ...  spin   Sep-10-10 10:04 PM   #82 
        - And another: 4. It would instantly create a market for smuggled guns...  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-10-10 08:41 PM   #80 
           - Does Switzerland have that problem?  safeinOhio   Sep-10-10 09:59 PM   #81 
              - No, but for other reasons  Euromutt   Sep-11-10 06:46 AM   #84 
                 - On the other hand at the extreme  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 07:37 AM   #86 
                 - Lowest crime countries  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 07:39 AM   #87 
                    - Not being major transshipment points for drugs trafficking?  Euromutt   Sep-12-10 01:34 AM   #97 
                 - But there are other differences  mjane   Sep-12-10 05:40 AM   #100 
                    - I'm not sure the UK, or parts of it, have a duty to retreat  Euromutt   Sep-12-10 05:06 PM   #104 
                       - You are correct  mjane   Sep-12-10 05:36 PM   #105 
        - How many times have we pointed out Haynes v. United States?  Euromutt   Sep-11-10 06:39 AM   #83 
           - United States v. Freed?  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 07:34 AM   #85 
              - That's a mens rea case, not a 'felon-in-posession'. Fail. n/t  X_Digger   Sep-11-10 09:00 AM   #88 
              - Wrong, on two counts  Euromutt   Sep-11-10 09:08 AM   #89 
              - Yes that is, however  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 02:46 PM   #91 
                 - Being in possession of a handgun (for a felon) is a crime. However, the 'unregistered' part..  X_Digger   Sep-11-10 03:05 PM   #93 
                 - The 5th does allow one to break the law, when the law requires that one incriminate oneself  Euromutt   Sep-11-10 06:14 PM   #94 
                 - good example  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 09:38 PM   #95 
                 - What an utter non sequitur  Euromutt   Sep-12-10 01:12 AM   #96 
                 - Nope, the cops know it is stolen because it is reported as stolen.  Hoopla Phil   Sep-12-10 09:27 PM   #106 
                 - That is exactly right  mjane   Sep-12-10 05:35 AM   #98 
                 - That's correct  mjane   Sep-12-10 05:37 AM   #99 
              - Federal Law now prevents ANY federal registration of firearms. n/t  oneshooter   Sep-11-10 09:09 AM   #90 
                 - Laws are made and repealed everyday.n/t  safeinOhio   Sep-11-10 02:47 PM   #92 
                    - Please name one Federal gun control law that has been repealled.  oneshooter   Sep-12-10 09:53 AM   #103 
  - kicking to provide pro-control advocates a chance to weigh in  jazzhound   Jan-09-11 09:45 PM   #107 
  - kick NT  jazzhound   Jan-10-11 02:54 AM   #108 
  - kick NT  jazzhound   Jan-11-11 03:53 AM   #109 
  - *bump*  X_Digger   Feb-26-11 09:56 PM   #110 
 

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