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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:02 PM
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95. The term "sporting" really, really needs to go away. It is SOOOO 1950's.
An AR-15 and a Winchester Model 70 deer rifle are both civilian rifles with military origins. But they are only "sporting" rifles if you compete in "sports" with them.

I personally despise the terms "sporting" and "sportsman". "Sport" is, by definition, frivolous.
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  -People who own "black rifles" love target shooting ... spin  Apr-27-10 09:41 AM   #0 
  - There's too much emphasis on calling these guns "sporting rifles"  derby378   Apr-27-10 09:45 AM   #1 
  - With the exception of a .22, every rifle I own is a "military rifle".  PavePusher   Apr-27-10 11:00 AM   #17 
  - The military has used suppressed .22 pistols extensively. nt  Hoopla Phil   Apr-27-10 02:02 PM   #30 
     - Heh, true.  PavePusher   Apr-27-10 02:12 PM   #31 
  - I agree.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 10:08 AM   #71 
  - I think you are missing the important distinction.  ManiacJoe   Apr-28-10 04:00 PM   #80 
     - I don't think the rate of fire makes the distinction.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 04:14 PM   #81 
        - So, what features or capabilities make them special?  ManiacJoe   Apr-28-10 04:27 PM   #82 
        - Ruggedness.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 05:45 PM   #83 
           - Are you really suggesting that durability is the deciding factor?  ManiacJoe   Apr-28-10 07:39 PM   #86 
           - Well we will have to agree to disagree.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 11:48 PM   #89 
           - Civilian rifles need ruggedness too.  Ready4Change   Apr-30-10 12:06 PM   #94 
        - I'd say rate of fire is the crucial distinction  Euromutt   Apr-28-10 06:05 PM   #84 
           - "assault"  gorfle   Apr-28-10 06:58 PM   #85 
              - You are reading WAY too much into the name.  ManiacJoe   Apr-28-10 07:46 PM   #87 
              - The M1 Garand is considered a "Battle Rifle"  oneshooter   Apr-28-10 07:53 PM   #88 
              - I agree that is the key term  Euromutt   Apr-29-10 07:00 AM   #90 
                 - The opinion of a US Army Armourer.  gorfle   Apr-29-10 10:00 AM   #91 
                 - Great post! (n/t)  spin   Apr-29-10 03:30 PM   #93 
  - The term "sporting" really, really needs to go away. It is SOOOO 1950's.  benEzra   Apr-30-10 10:02 PM   #95 
  - These sound too easily used by angry and unbalanced snipers.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 10:04 AM   #2 
  - They only sound that way  sailor65   Apr-27-10 10:06 AM   #3 
  - You mean they're not any good for climbing up on high places and picking off people from a distance?  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 10:14 AM   #4 
     - I can think of a few better choices for that.  jeepnstein   Apr-27-10 10:20 AM   #7 
     - Here is what John Muhammed used in the beltway sniper attacks.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 10:35 AM   #11 
        - Got any more examples?  jeepnstein   Apr-27-10 10:53 AM   #14 
        - This example makes the point clearly enough. Target fun is unworthy of constitutional protection.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 10:58 AM   #16 
           - Target shooting is a difficult sport that takes time to master ...  spin   Apr-27-10 01:04 PM   #26 
           - One criminal's actions result in the loss...  jeepnstein   Apr-27-10 01:27 PM   #27 
           - What constitutional protections do you believe in?  Glassunion   Apr-27-10 02:26 PM   #33 
           - None are spared from pruning to fit the society we live in and the common good.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 02:53 PM   #35 
              - Obviously you disagree with the entire Constitution ...  spin   Apr-27-10 03:58 PM   #41 
              - Name any one of the first ten amendments  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 04:36 PM   #43 
                 - All ten have...  Glassunion   Apr-27-10 04:55 PM   #45 
                 - OK. How about the Third Amendment ....  spin   Apr-27-10 05:12 PM   #48 
                 - Shares, here's the deal.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 10:27 AM   #76 
              - I would have to disagree.  Glassunion   Apr-27-10 04:01 PM   #42 
              - No no no, the right to keep and bear arms kills no one.  Callisto32   Apr-27-10 04:53 PM   #44 
              - And fire doesn't burn. Kindling combusts.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 04:55 PM   #46 
                 - My point was that people having the right to bear arms is different from killing people.  Callisto32   Apr-27-10 06:22 PM   #58 
                 - NO  cowman   Apr-27-10 09:26 PM   #65 
              - Having a gun can also save your life.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-27-10 05:55 PM   #54 
              - Are conservatives allowed to prune as well?  hack89   Apr-27-10 07:42 PM   #61 
              - Of course. And they do, according to their power from time to time to steer the judiciary.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 08:16 PM   #62 
              - That's funny.  JoeyT   Apr-27-10 11:38 PM   #68 
              - It's also only the 2nd that can protect all of your other rights.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 10:19 AM   #74 
           - Ironically enough, suitability for MILITARY purposes IS worthy of Constitutional protection  HALO141   Apr-27-10 05:15 PM   #49 
           - Careful with that one. POTUS is the constitutional CIC of the militia.  sharesunited   Apr-27-10 08:26 PM   #63 
              - He could do that for the time...  jeepnstein   Apr-28-10 07:28 AM   #70 
              - Don't make me laugh.  HALO141   Apr-28-10 10:26 AM   #75 
           - Um, it's in the Bill of Rights.  appal_jack   Apr-27-10 09:14 PM   #64 
        - They're all just as lethal, to an extent. Rifles are either capable or incapable.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-27-10 11:07 AM   #18 
        - 50 to just over 100 yards is point-blank range for a rifle. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-27-10 11:15 AM   #19 
        - 50 - 100 yards is not the kind of distance a true sniper would shoot  slackmaster   Apr-27-10 03:36 PM   #39 
        - 50 to 100 yards is not sniper distance. That's just a little further out than shotgun distance.  mistertrickster   Apr-27-10 05:20 PM   #51 
        - Well.... To be accurate (no pun intended)  HALO141   Apr-27-10 05:43 PM   #52 
           - There is a reason why police sniper rarely take longer range shots.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-27-10 06:00 PM   #55 
           - You are correct.  HALO141   Apr-28-10 10:29 AM   #77 
              - I figured that you knew the difference.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-28-10 10:42 AM   #78 
           - Good point, hadn't thought about that . . . nt  mistertrickster   Apr-27-10 06:02 PM   #56 
        - That's not sniping.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 10:12 AM   #72 
        - And if he'd used a better rifle, he would have killed a lot more people.  TheWraith   Apr-28-10 11:26 AM   #79 
     - Not as much as granddad's blued, walnut stocked gun  X_Digger   Apr-27-10 10:22 AM   #8 
     - Not at all  sailor65   Apr-27-10 10:23 AM   #9 
     - Watch this video of a WWII German 98K rifle at 900 yards ...  spin   Apr-27-10 11:23 AM   #21 
     - Very cool. Thanks. nt  rrneck   Apr-27-10 06:17 PM   #57 
     - Nice!  proteus_lives   Apr-27-10 10:38 PM   #67 
     - My first choice from my own collection would be a Swedish Mauser  slackmaster   Apr-27-10 03:40 PM   #40 
     - Negative, 55 grains is to light. Pushed around by wind. 300 grains at 3000fps  Pavulon   Apr-27-10 07:18 PM   #60 
     - Just about any rifle can do that.  gorfle   Apr-28-10 10:18 AM   #73 
  - All deer rifle fit that description. All serious caliber hunting rifles do too.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-27-10 11:18 AM   #20 
  - DEER Rifles are not Sniper rifles  dr28704   Apr-29-10 01:27 PM   #92 
  - Unlike any scoped deer rifle.  PavePusher   Apr-27-10 02:13 PM   #32 
  - Actually, these rifles have fairly short barrels and small diameter bullets fired at high velocity.  mistertrickster   Apr-27-10 05:17 PM   #50 
  - Showing your ignorance.  proteus_lives   Apr-27-10 10:36 PM   #66 
  - Less so than actual military sniper rifles like the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700...  benEzra   Apr-30-10 10:44 PM   #96 
  - That's really all they're good for.  jeepnstein   Apr-27-10 10:14 AM   #5 
  - I'm not sure sure about it being purely a fighting rifle, anymore.  Callisto32   Apr-27-10 10:34 AM   #10 
  - AR rifles are also used for hunting and are becoming quite popular...  spin   Apr-27-10 10:50 AM   #13 
  - The M1 Garand isn't a "fighting gun"?  Euromutt   Apr-27-10 11:40 AM   #22 
     - Words have meanings.  jeepnstein   Apr-27-10 01:29 PM   #28 
        - Not picking  Katya Mullethov   Apr-27-10 02:38 PM   #34 
        - Well, there I have to agree with you  Euromutt   Apr-28-10 03:40 AM   #69 
  - They are popular partly because of their modularity,  Lost4words   Apr-27-10 10:18 AM   #6 
  - In the city I always wished I could legally carry a hand gun  SPedigrees   Apr-27-10 10:57 AM   #15 
     - I hate to say this ...  spin   Apr-27-10 11:43 AM   #23 
     - Get over yourself.  SPedigrees   Apr-27-10 12:34 PM   #24 
        - My daughter has a concealed carry permit ...  spin   Apr-27-10 01:57 PM   #29 
           - I'm sorry about your daughter and her friend.  SPedigrees   Apr-27-10 03:00 PM   #36 
              - I believe we both agree on the issue.  spin   Apr-27-10 03:22 PM   #37 
     - I guess I need to get over myself as well............  jazzhound   Apr-27-10 12:54 PM   #25 
  - I recently picked up this .308 "sporting rifle"  OneTenthofOnePercent   Apr-27-10 10:48 AM   #12 
  - Of course you don't need a wiz bang black rifle  oneshooter   Apr-27-10 03:35 PM   #38 
     - Wow!  Glassunion   Apr-27-10 05:01 PM   #47 
        - These videos might interest you ...  spin   Apr-27-10 05:52 PM   #53 
           - So cool.  Glassunion   Apr-27-10 06:36 PM   #59 
 

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