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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-22-10 02:17 PM
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36. "to kill on a far future threat" ? you misread my post...n/t
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  -The Founding Fathers Speak on Firearms GreenStormCloud  Apr-22-10 12:52 PM   #0 
  - The link didn't seem to have those quotes  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 12:59 PM   #1 
  - There is an entire NRA "5th column" here at DU...  villager   Apr-22-10 01:03 PM   #2 
  - The NRA also backs Democratic Party candidates if they are gun-friendly.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:10 PM   #8 
  - Ah, so they also back Blue Dogs!  villager   Apr-22-10 01:24 PM   #15 
     - The NRA is single-issue.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:35 PM   #19 
     - You should check your facts first  tortoise1956   Apr-22-10 05:17 PM   #95 
     - The same NRA supporting one of Reid's Republican opponents?  villager   Apr-23-10 12:11 PM   #130 
        - I did, Villager  tortoise1956   Apr-26-10 12:13 AM   #137 
     - Not Blue Dogs. I've volunteered for a few NRA-friendly Dems.  TheWraith   Apr-23-10 11:17 AM   #128 
     - Bill Richardson is a "blue dog"?  Euromutt   Apr-23-10 11:21 AM   #129 
  - advocating for civil rights is not "propaganda"  paulsby   Apr-22-10 01:13 PM   #10 
  - I'm proud to be part of that 5th column.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:03 PM   #30 
  - You might be interested to learn that 36% of Democrats have a gun in their home ...  spin   Apr-22-10 03:54 PM   #75 
  - "There is an entire anti-rights "5th column" here at DU..."  proteus_lives   Apr-22-10 06:35 PM   #104 
  - There is an entire Jim Crow chorus at DU...  SteveM   Apr-23-10 07:50 AM   #113 
  - I only looked at the list of quote of the FFs, not at the rest of the site.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:04 PM   #3 
  - I am sorry you are not more discerning  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 01:07 PM   #5 
     - So what the FFs said doesn't matter to you, only the secondary source. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:09 PM   #7 
        - not a bit, there really isn't anything there that isn't available elsewhere  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 01:14 PM   #11 
        - The quotes are still those of the FFs.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:34 PM   #18 
        - I'm not questioning your credentials  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 02:47 PM   #47 
           - No, but an effort to change the Democratic Party from the inside is worthwhile.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:55 PM   #51 
              - I agree the Demo party can use some change from the inside  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:08 PM   #56 
                 - There are no Democatic sites with such a list.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:20 PM   #60 
                    - first google link  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:25 PM   #61 
                    - From that same site:  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:34 PM   #67 
                       - Yes, those are legitimate citiations - It's called GunCite, correct?  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:38 PM   #68 
                          - I have already admitted that I didn't see that sentence.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:45 PM   #72 
                             - No, I already agreed that most of what was atttibuted to the founders  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:49 PM   #73 
                                - No, I said there was no Democratic-friendly source.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:58 PM   #77 
                    - 4th Google Link  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:27 PM   #62 
                       - 5th  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:28 PM   #63 
                          - 8th  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:32 PM   #65 
                          - The SAF is more radical than the NRA.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:41 PM   #70 
                             - Yet there is no political affiliation on the page I mentioned nor is there  Wickerman   Apr-22-10 03:45 PM   #71 
                                - Try doing some research, instead of going by what is or is not on the page  Euromutt   Apr-23-10 01:05 PM   #133 
                                   - thanks for your concern, but a bit beyond the scope of the issue at hand  Wickerman   Apr-23-10 03:07 PM   #134 
        - All the lists I found were from strongly pro-gun sites.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:00 PM   #25 
        - When the secondary source is implying that the only way to save  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-22-10 01:44 PM   #22 
           - So you decline to discuss the FFs.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:52 PM   #23 
              - Did the NRA speak out against the seizure of guns in NO?  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-22-10 01:58 PM   #24 
                 - It was Democrats that confiscated the guns.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:02 PM   #28 
                 - Nagin was only a 'democrat' to get elected - he had been a long-time  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-22-10 02:19 PM   #39 
                    - He was a D when elected.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:51 PM   #49 
                    - "You are being played." Take a look at the DNC Platform...  SteveM   Apr-23-10 07:57 AM   #114 
                 - They sure did!  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:05 PM   #31 
                 - others beat me to it. n/t  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 02:40 PM   #44 
                 - I believe they did.  Mojorabbit   Apr-23-10 12:58 PM   #132 
  - I agree.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:59 PM   #53 
  - Nice try. We had NO police force at the time. Join a "well-regulated militia." nt  Captain Hilts   Apr-22-10 01:04 PM   #4 
  - The FFs were clear. Ordinary citizens were to have guns. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:07 PM   #6 
  - Just not relevant to contemporary times.  Captain Hilts   Apr-22-10 01:11 PM   #9 
     - civil rights are ALWAYS relevant  paulsby   Apr-22-10 01:14 PM   #12 
     - Completely relevant.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:22 PM   #14 
     - "Just not relevant to contemporary times."  PavePusher   Apr-22-10 03:11 PM   #57 
     - Then disarm criminals and prevent felons from owning firearms. Oh, wait. They already do that.  proteus_lives   Apr-22-10 06:39 PM   #105 
  - We have no well-regulated militias at this time. What then?  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:06 PM   #32 
  - So where does it say that criminals or those with criminal records  veganlush   Apr-22-10 01:21 PM   #13 
  - You expect a senior-citizen to fight against ayoung mugger?  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:05 PM   #55 
  - It does not have to say those things.  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 03:40 PM   #69 
  - You said:  veganlush   Apr-22-10 04:10 PM   #84 
     - Depends on the crime.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 04:17 PM   #87 
     - Dude!!  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:49 PM   #91 
     - I have to correct you there  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 06:09 PM   #101 
        - Interesting. I accept the correction. Thanks. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-23-10 09:49 AM   #124 
     - Not true...  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:47 PM   #90 
     - In the 18th century, the punishment for most felonies was death  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 05:32 PM   #97 
     - Also... I said a whole lot more than one sentence... Care to comment on the rest? (nt)  Glassunion   Apr-23-10 12:01 AM   #112 
  - All rights are presupposed, except when removed by due process.  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 03:52 PM   #74 
  - "Guns are cowardly devices made for people who can't fight."  proteus_lives   Apr-22-10 06:42 PM   #106 
  - Do you think victims of criminal aggression owe their assailants a "fair" fight?  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 07:50 PM   #109 
  - He won't answer...(nt)  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 11:56 PM   #111 
     - You might be wrong  Euromutt   Apr-23-10 08:50 AM   #121 
  - My word, this stuff again...  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:17 AM   #115 
  - we ARE the founding fathers of our generation  sui generis   Apr-22-10 01:28 PM   #16 
  - The didn't "forget", the were divided on the issue.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:43 PM   #21 
  - I'm trying to get the 2nd amendment removed?  sui generis   Apr-22-10 02:07 PM   #33 
     - You should politely ask them to leave.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:26 PM   #41 
        - yes I would politely ask them to leave  sui generis   Apr-22-10 02:34 PM   #42 
           - Since brandishing is both illegal, stupid, wrong, and unsafe, ...  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:41 PM   #45 
           - Maybe I'm misunderstanding you...  PavePusher   Apr-22-10 03:18 PM   #59 
           - Funnily enough, TX doesn't have open carry (of handguns). n/t  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 03:59 PM   #79 
  - right on! an agnostic amen to you for a post well posted!..n/t  veganlush   Apr-22-10 03:05 PM   #54 
  - Sorry, wrong again...  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:24 AM   #116 
  - people from long ago said lots of things that don't really apply  veganlush   Apr-22-10 01:31 PM   #17 
  - If someone is trying to kill you, won't you fight to stay alive? N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 01:37 PM   #20 
  - of course, but couldn't "fighting to stay alive"  veganlush   Apr-22-10 02:01 PM   #27 
     - Your nuke analogy is silly.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:10 PM   #34 
        - "to kill on a far future threat" ? you misread my post...n/t  veganlush   Apr-22-10 02:17 PM   #36 
        - ok, forget nukes, what about a hand-held laser?  veganlush   Apr-22-10 02:23 PM   #40 
           - Sorry, but I don't think it will be invented.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:37 PM   #43 
              - No, it's a do-able weapon, no doubt.  veganlush   Apr-22-10 02:53 PM   #50 
                 - You have some major problems to overcome.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:30 PM   #64 
                    - I remember when my parents were impressed with VHS  veganlush   Apr-22-10 03:55 PM   #76 
                       - Different area of physics.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 04:07 PM   #81 
  - But they also said lots of things that DO really apply.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:11 PM   #35 
  - right now, in these times, the cowardly, push-button..  veganlush   Apr-22-10 02:43 PM   #46 
     - That is an /excellent/ question.  gorfle   Apr-22-10 02:57 PM   #52 
     - So it is cowardly for a senior-citizen to use a gun against a young mugger?  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 03:13 PM   #58 
     - They don't really think that one through, do they?  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 04:03 PM   #80 
     - I think you are confusing the word "cowardly"...  PavePusher   Apr-22-10 03:33 PM   #66 
     - Damn straight  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 06:33 PM   #103 
     - I think someone is getting off. You know... steamy under the silk, an' all. nt  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:38 AM   #119 
     - I'm sure many criminals would totally agree with you ..  spin   Apr-22-10 03:58 PM   #78 
     - the incidents where carrying a weapon actually saves the day  veganlush   Apr-22-10 04:36 PM   #89 
        - Defensive gun uses outnumber gun crimes.  X_Digger   Apr-22-10 05:28 PM   #96 
        - please present some statistics to back your statements up ...  spin   Apr-22-10 05:48 PM   #98 
           - I have used my car fire extinguisher twice.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-23-10 10:03 AM   #125 
              - And before anyone pulls the "you can't hold up a 7-11 with fire extinguisher" response...  Euromutt   Apr-23-10 12:49 PM   #131 
     - A person confined to a chair who uses a gun in self-defense is a "coward?"  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:35 AM   #118 
     - I guess the Green River Killer is a hero in your book  Euromutt   Apr-23-10 09:07 AM   #123 
  - Your notion of self-defense is some yee-HAH sophistry...  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:31 AM   #117 
  - Yet another anti-Democrat, anti-Obama website linked to in the Gungeon.  onehandle   Apr-22-10 02:01 PM   #26 
  - Yet another gun-control advocate who refuses to discuss the FFs.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:18 PM   #38 
  - One of these years, you may learn what an "argumentum ad hominem" is  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 08:04 PM   #110 
  - And you prefer the GOP-founded, GOP-led Brady Center? Thought so.  SteveM   Apr-23-10 08:41 AM   #120 
  - Quaint and obsolete. With today's technology, a gunman can shoot dozens in minutes.  sharesunited   Apr-22-10 02:02 PM   #29 
  - He could then too. There was a repeating rifle back then.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 02:17 PM   #37 
  - Lewis & Clark are one thing. J6P is another.  sharesunited   Apr-22-10 02:49 PM   #48 
     - Why? What is the difference?  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:09 PM   #82 
        - Usually J6P means "Joe 6 Pack".  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 04:13 PM   #85 
        - That was my point...  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:56 PM   #93 
           - And they had an ND  Katya Mullethov   Apr-23-10 08:53 AM   #122 
        - To do what? Repel Indian attacks? Under claim of a constitutional right no less?  sharesunited   Apr-22-10 04:15 PM   #86 
           - You said that today's technology allow a gunman to shoot dozens in minutes.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 04:21 PM   #88 
           - Dude!!!  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:57 PM   #94 
           - I am keeping it real.  Glassunion   Apr-22-10 04:51 PM   #92 
           - We turn again to the example of Fannie Lou Hamer...  Euromutt   Apr-22-10 06:17 PM   #102 
           - The "wild west" was much safer than some cities are today ...  spin   Apr-22-10 05:52 PM   #100 
  - Your point?  proteus_lives   Apr-22-10 06:44 PM   #107 
  - He can do a lot better than that.  rrneck   Apr-23-10 07:31 PM   #135 
  - I will be back tomorrow. Work night shift. Time to go to bed. N/T  GreenStormCloud   Apr-22-10 04:09 PM   #83 
  - I played the night shift game for more than 30 years ...  spin   Apr-22-10 05:50 PM   #99 
     - I am retired too, but still have a job to supplement the retirement.  GreenStormCloud   Apr-23-10 10:10 AM   #126 
        - Your job is a lot less stressful than the one I had. (n/t)  spin   Apr-23-10 10:49 AM   #127 
        - My "retirement" is only working 8 hours a day. And not getting shot at. n/t  oneshooter   Apr-23-10 08:55 PM   #136 
  - The FFs were on the money about this issue.  proteus_lives   Apr-22-10 06:46 PM   #108 
 

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